A.f.c.n. Roster Analysis, Offense
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It's easy to be "good" when you have 8 secs to throw and a Hinesend Ward to make you look like a genius on
a 10 yard pass. Big Stupid Ben has a hell of an arm, and no longer has outstanding talent around him.
"poof" went the playoffs with a defense that isn't what it used to be either.
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I dont have time to fully respond but will johnson is our fullback and antonio brown wont be returning kicks. Oh and heath miller had a career year before getting hurt. Im not sure how that implies he will be trailing off unless you assume he wont recover from injury.
Flacco also isnt better than ben. He had a strong playoff, the guy needs to do it again before hes crowned anything.
I dont have time to fully respond but will johnson is our fullback and antonio brown wont be returning kicks. Oh and heath miller had a career year before getting hurt. Im not sure how that implies he will be trailing off unless you assume he wont recover from injury.
Flacco also isnt better than ben. He had a strong playoff, the guy needs to do it again before hes crowned anything.
I took the starter info from the Ourlads Depth Chart guide. So if you have an issue there, take it up with them. Any number of the projected starters on these rosters could change before the season starts.
As for Miller, for some reason I thought he was older than he is. It seems like he has been around forever, but he is only 31.
But, yea, having a debilitating injury is certainly a factor in ranking someone. But, under any circumstance, he is not better than Gresham. Injuries is why BR gets "demoted" under Flacco at this point. Though I might in principle agree that Flacco is not overall as good as BR, the fact is, Flacco has done it lately, and BR hasn't. And Ron Jaworski himself feels that BR is tailing off. Injuries are going to make it that he won't have the escapability that he had before, and that is....or was a big part of his game.
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AFCN Offensive players who made last year's Pro Bowl:
Roethlisberger
Dalton
(note: Flacco did not!)
Ray Rice
AJ Green
Gresham
Joe Thomas
Yanda
Ben Grubbs
Pouncey
Antonio Brown, KR
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Training camp is about to open, so I thought it would be a good time to do an AFCN roster analysis. Start here with the Offenses. Rank the talent at each position 1-4
Quarterbacks:
Cin: Andy Dalton
Balt. Joe Flacco
Cle. Brandon Weeden
Pit. Ben Roethlisberger
Running Backs:
Cin: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis
Balt: Ray Rice
Cle: Trent Richardson
Pit. Leveon Bell
Fullbacks:
Cin: Chris Pressley
Balt. Kyle Juszczyk
Cle: Owen Marecic
Pit: David Johnson
Tight Ends:
Cin.: Jermaine Gresham
Balt: Dennis Pitta
Cle: Jordan Cameron
Pit.: Heath Miller
Left WR:
Cin: Mohamed Sanu
Balt: Torrey Smith
Cle: Josh Gordon
Pit: Emmanuel Sanders
Right WR:
Cin: AJ Green
Balt: Jacoby Jones
Cle: Greg Little
Pit: Antonio Brown
Left Tackle:
Cin: Andre Whitworth
Balt: Bryant McKinnie
Cle: Joe Thomas
Pit: Mike Adams
Left Guard:
Cin: Trevelle Wharton
Balt: Kelechie Osemele
Cle: Shaun Lauvao
Pitt: Ramon Foster
Center:
Cin: Trevor Robinson
Balt: Gino Gradkowski
Cle: Alex Mack
Pit: Maurkice Pouncey
Right Guard:
Cin: Kevin Zeitler
Balt: Marshal Yanda
Cle: John Greco
Pit: David DeCastro
Right Tackle:
Cin.: Andre Smith
Balt: Michael Oher
Cle: The Schwartz
Pit: Marcus Gilbert
Kicker:
Cin: Mike Nugent
Balt: Justin Tucker
Cle: Shayne Graham
Pit.: Shaun Suisam
Punt Returner:
Cin: Pacman Jones
Balt: Jacoby Jones
Cle: probably Travis Benjamin
Pit: Antonio Brown
Kick Returner:
Cin: Brandon Tate
Balt: Jacoby Jones
Cle: ?????
Pitt: Emmanuel Sanders.
Give your comments. Defense later.
Training camp is about to open, so I thought it would be a good time to do an AFCN roster analysis. Start here with the Offenses. Rank the talent at each position 1-4
I will do the same here as I did for the defense and give the PFR Season Productivity average from last year. Again, it is a single digit representing that players productivity in the 2012 season.
Quarterbacks:
Cin: Andy Dalton
Balt. Joe Flacco
Cle. Brandon Weeden
Pit. Ben Roethlisberger
Dalton 13, Flacco 13, Roethlisberg 10, Weeden 8
Running Backs:
Cin: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis
Balt: Ray Rice
Cle: Trent Richardson
Pit. Leveon Bell
Rice 13, Green-Ellis 8, Richardson 6, Bell NR
Fullbacks:
Cin: Chris Pressley
Balt. Kyle Juszczyk
Cle: Owen Marecic
Pit: David Johnson
Marecic -0-, Pressley -0-, Johnson NR, Juszczyk NR
Tight Ends:
Cin.: Jermaine Gresham
Balt: Dennis Pitta
Cle: Jordan Cameron
Pit.: Heath Miller
Gresham 7, Miller 7, Pitta 6, Cameron 2
Left WR:
Cin: Mohamed Sanu
Balt: Torrey Smith
Cle: Josh Gordon
Pit: Emmanuel Sanders
Smith 8, Gordon 6, Sanders 5, Sanu 2
Right WR:
Cin: AJ Green
Balt: Jacoby Jones
Cle: Greg Little
Pit: Antonio Brown
Green 13, Jones 7, Brown 6, Little 5
Left Tackle:
Cin: Andre Whitworth
Balt: Bryant McKinnie
Cle: Joe Thomas
Pit: Mike Adams
Thomas 11, Whithworth 11, Adams 3, McKinnie 1
Left Guard:
Cin: Trevelle Wharton
Balt: Kelechie Osemele
Cle: Shaun Lauvao
Pitt: Ramon Foster
Lauvao 7, Osemele 7, Foster 7, Wharton -0-
Center:
Cin: Trevor Robinson
Balt: Gino Gradkowski
Cle: Alex Mack
Pit: Maurkice Pouncey
Pouncey 11, Mack 7, Robinson 4, Gradkowski 1
Right Guard:
Cin: Kevin Zeitler
Balt: Marshal Yanda
Cle: John Greco
Pit: David DeCastro
Yanda 10, Zeitler 8, Greco 5, DeCastro 1
Right Tackle:
Cin.: Andre Smith
Balt: Michael Oher
Cle: The Schwartz
Pit: Marcus Gilbert
Smith 7, Schwartz 7, Oher 7, Gilbert 2
Kicker:
Cin: Mike Nugent
Balt: Justin Tucker
Cle: Shayne Graham
Pit.: Shaun Suisam
Tucker 5, Suisham 4, Graham 3, Nugent 2
Punt Returner:
Cin: Pacman Jones
Balt: Jacoby Jones
Cle: probably Travis Benjamin
Pit: Antonio Brown
Kick Returner:
Cin: Brandon Tate
Balt: Jacoby Jones
Cle: ?????
Pitt: Emmanuel Sanders.
Returners not ranked because they hold other positions.
Give your comments. Defense later.
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Pinkston was the starter from day 2 of camp. Lauvao is the backup to both him and Greco. We don't have a weakness at guard.
Also, Smith is Balt's #1 but Green is Cin's #1.
Flacco, Ben, Weeden, Dalton
Rice, TRich, BJGE, Bell
I refuse to rank FB's.
Gresham Miller Pitta Cameron
Smith Gordon Sanders Sanu
Green Brown Jones Little
Thomas McK Adams Whitworth
Osemele Pinkston Wharton Foster
Mack Pouncey Robinson Gradk
Greco Yanda Zeitler DeCastro
Smith Schwartz Oher Gilbert
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Here is how each team fared in the numbers of players ranked at the top spot at each position in the PFR season production average rank. I include ties...but exclude FBs all of who scored -0-:
Baltimore: 7 at top spot: Flacco, Rice, Smith, Osemele, Yanda, Tucker, Oher
Cincy: 5 at top spot: Dalton, Gresham, Green, Whitworth, Smith
Cleve: 3 at top spot: Thomas, Lauvao, Schwartz
Pitt: 2 at top spot: Miller, Foster
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Cumulative total PFR season production points for each team's offense. Again, this should, theoretically reflect the strength of each team's offense based on last year's production:
Baltimore 78 points
Cincinati 75 points
Cleveland 64 points
Pittsburgh 56 points
Note that if a rookie was the projected starter then no points were given there. E.g. no points for Leveon Bell, the projected starte at RB for the Steelers. However, for them, if you put Jonathan Dwyer in at RB, the possible starter if Bell doesn't win the job, that would give them 5 additional points.
I actually think that Bell is the ONLY rookie projected to start at any offensive position in the AFC North, besides a fullback for Baltimore...but no fullbacks were awarded any points in the above cumulation.
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I already posted once, but I have to take another look b/c our 6 divisional games are SOOOO important. We have to start winning them, and we need production in order to do it:
QB - Hard to say. None of these guys are "elite" in my opinion. Sure Flacco has a ring and Ben has 2, but Ben, while he IS a good QB, is the product of having his team's D and Flacco got lucky last year. Dalton seems to have the lowest ceiling of the 4, but he has AJ Green. Weeden is a similar QB to Flacco in that they both have great arm strength, but can make dumb mistakes. Ben and Flacco get the nod b/c of experience and being less likely to make the mistake that costs their team the game. (2013 prediction: Flacco, Ben, Weeden, Dalton)
RB - 2 elite backs in this division, one mediocre, and one rookie. This one is pretty easy. (2013 prediction: Richardson/Hardesty, Rice/Pierce, Bell/Redman, Green-Ellis/Bernard)
WR - Another challenging position to evaluate. It seems the teams with the most talent at WR have the worst QBs, and vice versa. AJ Green IS the best in the division, and easily top 5 in the NFL. Ben lost his top guy. Flacco lost his "Mr. Reliable." Gordon is out 2 games... Evaluating the entire WR corps of these teams, from top to bottom, none are "great" but I can't argue with the top guy putting his team over the edge. The numbers might not end up showing it, b/c of QB play, but the talent is in this order. (2013 prediction: Bengals: AJ Green, Sanu, Hawkins; Browns: Gordon, Little, Bess; Ravens: Smith, Jones, others; Steelers: Brown, Sanders, others)
TE - AFC North TEs scoring TDs is commonplace, especially in division games. Norv loves his TEs, but Dalton doesn't seem to find his. (2013 prediction: Ravens: Pitta, Dickson; Steelers: Miller, Spaeth; Browns: Cameron, Davis; Bengals: Gresham, Eifert)
OLine - The true strength of this division, and what makes these games so good... the trenches!! All 4 teams have good run-blocking, but the Browns take the cake b/c of their excellent pass protection. Weeden should have all the time in the world to make it or break it. It looks like the Steelers plan to start Mike Adams at LT... enough said... (2013 prediction: Browns, Bengals, Ravens, Steelers)
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I already posted once, but I have to take another look b/c our 6 divisional games are SOOOO important. We have to start winning them, and we need production in order to do it:
QB - Hard to say. None of these guys are "elite" in my opinion. Sure Flacco has a ring and Ben has 2, but Ben, while he IS a good QB, is the product of having his team's D and Flacco got lucky last year. Dalton seems to have the lowest ceiling of the 4, but he has AJ Green. Weeden is a similar QB to Flacco in that they both have great arm strength, but can make dumb mistakes. Ben and Flacco get the nod b/c of experience and being less likely to make the mistake that costs their team the game. (2013 prediction: Flacco, Ben, Weeden, Dalton)
RB - 2 elite backs in this division, one mediocre, and one rookie. This one is pretty easy. (2013 prediction: Richardson/Hardesty, Rice/Pierce, Bell/Redman, Green-Ellis/Bernard)
WR - Another challenging position to evaluate. It seems the teams with the most talent at WR have the worst QBs, and vice versa. AJ Green IS the best in the division, and easily top 5 in the NFL. Ben lost his top guy. Flacco lost his "Mr. Reliable." Gordon is out 2 games... Evaluating the entire WR corps of these teams, from top to bottom, none are "great" but I can't argue with the top guy putting his team over the edge. The numbers might not end up showing it, b/c of QB play, but the talent is in this order. (2013 prediction: Bengals: AJ Green, Sanu, Hawkins; Browns: Gordon, Little, Bess; Ravens: Smith, Jones, others; Steelers: Brown, Sanders, others)
TE - AFC North TEs scoring TDs is commonplace, especially in division games. Norv loves his TEs, but Dalton doesn't seem to find his. (2013 prediction: Ravens: Pitta, Dickson; Steelers: Miller, Spaeth; Browns: Cameron, Davis; Bengals: Gresham, Eifert)
OLine - The true strength of this division, and what makes these games so good... the trenches!! All 4 teams have good run-blocking, but the Browns take the cake b/c of their excellent pass protection. Weeden should have all the time in the world to make it or break it. It looks like the Steelers plan to start Mike Adams at LT... enough said... (2013 prediction: Browns, Bengals, Ravens, Steelers)
I already posted once, but I have to take another look b/c our 6 divisional games are SOOOO important. We have to start winning them, and we need production in order to do it:
QB - Hard to say. None of these guys are "elite" in my opinion. Sure Flacco has a ring and Ben has 2, but Ben, while he IS a good QB, is the product of having his team's D and Flacco got lucky last year. Dalton seems to have the lowest ceiling of the 4, but he has AJ Green. Weeden is a similar QB to Flacco in that they both have great arm strength, but can make dumb mistakes. Ben and Flacco get the nod b/c of experience and being less likely to make the mistake that costs their team the game. (2013 prediction: Flacco, Ben, Weeden, Dalton)
RB - 2 elite backs in this division, one mediocre, and one rookie. This one is pretty easy. (2013 prediction: Richardson/Hardesty, Rice/Pierce, Bell/Redman, Green-Ellis/Bernard)
WR - Another challenging position to evaluate. It seems the teams with the most talent at WR have the worst QBs, and vice versa. AJ Green IS the best in the division, and easily top 5 in the NFL. Ben lost his top guy. Flacco lost his "Mr. Reliable." Gordon is out 2 games... Evaluating the entire WR corps of these teams, from top to bottom, none are "great" but I can't argue with the top guy putting his team over the edge. The numbers might not end up showing it, b/c of QB play, but the talent is in this order. (2013 prediction: Bengals: AJ Green, Sanu, Hawkins; Browns: Gordon, Little, Bess; Ravens: Smith, Jones, others; Steelers: Brown, Sanders, others)
TE - AFC North TEs scoring TDs is commonplace, especially in division games. Norv loves his TEs, but Dalton doesn't seem to find his. (2013 prediction: Ravens: Pitta, Dickson; Steelers: Miller, Spaeth; Browns: Cameron, Davis; Bengals: Gresham, Eifert)
OLine - The true strength of this division, and what makes these games so good... the trenches!! All 4 teams have good run-blocking, but the Browns take the cake b/c of their excellent pass protection. Weeden should have all the time in the world to make it or break it. It looks like the Steelers plan to start Mike Adams at LT... enough said... (2013 prediction: Browns, Bengals, Ravens, Steelers)
Good analysis, a little homerish, but that's why we're here. I thought Gresham was a good tight end and Eifert a good draft pick, I'm a little baffled why you put them last ... they might be first.
Zombo
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I already posted once, but I have to take another look b/c our 6 divisional games are SOOOO important. We have to start winning them, and we need production in order to do it:
QB - Hard to say. None of these guys are "elite" in my opinion. Sure Flacco has a ring and Ben has 2, but Ben, while he IS a good QB, is the product of having his team's D and Flacco got lucky last year. Dalton seems to have the lowest ceiling of the 4, but he has AJ Green. Weeden is a similar QB to Flacco in that they both have great arm strength, but can make dumb mistakes. Ben and Flacco get the nod b/c of experience and being less likely to make the mistake that costs their team the game. (2013 prediction: Flacco, Ben, Weeden, Dalton)
RB - 2 elite backs in this division, one mediocre, and one rookie. This one is pretty easy. (2013 prediction: Richardson/Hardesty, Rice/Pierce, Bell/Redman, Green-Ellis/Bernard)
WR - Another challenging position to evaluate. It seems the teams with the most talent at WR have the worst QBs, and vice versa. AJ Green IS the best in the division, and easily top 5 in the NFL. Ben lost his top guy. Flacco lost his "Mr. Reliable." Gordon is out 2 games... Evaluating the entire WR corps of these teams, from top to bottom, none are "great" but I can't argue with the top guy putting his team over the edge. The numbers might not end up showing it, b/c of QB play, but the talent is in this order. (2013 prediction: Bengals: AJ Green, Sanu, Hawkins; Browns: Gordon, Little, Bess; Ravens: Smith, Jones, others; Steelers: Brown, Sanders, others)
TE - AFC North TEs scoring TDs is commonplace, especially in division games. Norv loves his TEs, but Dalton doesn't seem to find his. (2013 prediction: Ravens: Pitta, Dickson; Steelers: Miller, Spaeth; Browns: Cameron, Davis; Bengals: Gresham, Eifert)
OLine - The true strength of this division, and what makes these games so good... the trenches!! All 4 teams have good run-blocking, but the Browns take the cake b/c of their excellent pass protection. Weeden should have all the time in the world to make it or break it. It looks like the Steelers plan to start Mike Adams at LT... enough said... (2013 prediction: Browns, Bengals, Ravens, Steelers)
Good analysis, a little homerish, but that's why we're here. I thought Gresham was a good tight end and Eifert a good draft pick, I'm a little baffled why you put them last ... they might be first.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Good analysis, a little homerish, but that's why we're here. I thought Gresham was a good tight end and Eifert a good draft pick, I'm a little baffled why you put them last ... they might be first.
Zombo
Mostly scheme. It never seems that the Bengals utilize their TEs as they could/should. Eifert and Gresham are talented, but Eifert's a rookie and Gresham has been inconsistent in his career. I see the Steelers/Ravens/Browns using their TEs more this year and putting them in positions to make bigger plays and score more TDs.
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I already posted once, but I have to take another look b/c our 6 divisional games are SOOOO important. We have to start winning them, and we need production in order to do it:
QB - Hard to say. None of these guys are "elite" in my opinion. Sure Flacco has a ring and Ben has 2, but Ben, while he IS a good QB, is the product of having his team's D and Flacco got lucky last year. Dalton seems to have the lowest ceiling of the 4, but he has AJ Green. Weeden is a similar QB to Flacco in that they both have great arm strength, but can make dumb mistakes. Ben and Flacco get the nod b/c of experience and being less likely to make the mistake that costs their team the game. (2013 prediction: Flacco, Ben, Weeden, Dalton)
RB - 2 elite backs in this division, one mediocre, and one rookie. This one is pretty easy. (2013 prediction: Richardson/Hardesty, Rice/Pierce, Bell/Redman, Green-Ellis/Bernard)
WR - Another challenging position to evaluate. It seems the teams with the most talent at WR have the worst QBs, and vice versa. AJ Green IS the best in the division, and easily top 5 in the NFL. Ben lost his top guy. Flacco lost his "Mr. Reliable." Gordon is out 2 games... Evaluating the entire WR corps of these teams, from top to bottom, none are "great" but I can't argue with the top guy putting his team over the edge. The numbers might not end up showing it, b/c of QB play, but the talent is in this order. (2013 prediction: Bengals: AJ Green, Sanu, Hawkins; Browns: Gordon, Little, Bess; Ravens: Smith, Jones, others; Steelers: Brown, Sanders, others)
TE - AFC North TEs scoring TDs is commonplace, especially in division games. Norv loves his TEs, but Dalton doesn't seem to find his. (2013 prediction: Ravens: Pitta, Dickson; Steelers: Miller, Spaeth; Browns: Cameron, Davis; Bengals: Gresham, Eifert)
OLine - The true strength of this division, and what makes these games so good... the trenches!! All 4 teams have good run-blocking, but the Browns take the cake b/c of their excellent pass protection. Weeden should have all the time in the world to make it or break it. It looks like the Steelers plan to start Mike Adams at LT... enough said... (2013 prediction: Browns, Bengals, Ravens, Steelers)
Good analysis, a little homerish, but that's why we're here. I thought Gresham was a good tight end and Eifert a good draft pick, I'm a little baffled why you put them last ... they might be first.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Good analysis, a little homerish, but that's why we're here. I thought Gresham was a good tight end and Eifert a good draft pick, I'm a little baffled why you put them last ... they might be first.
Zombo
Yea, agree. I can't figure him out there.
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