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  • calfoxwc C Dedicated Very Popular Conversation Starter Collaborator First Post Posting Machine Reacting Well Week One Done One Year In One Month Later
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    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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    Woodypeckerhead translation:

    ("I hope nobody new here will think I don't know and I'm covering up not

    having the courage to make a legit guess, even though everybody else knows it...")

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      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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      Who said it?

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      “One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. Most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can’t afford it.

      [under government controlled healthcare], the doctor begins to lose freedom… [patients] are equally divided among the various doctors by the government… so if a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government says to him, you can't live in that town… the doctor will have to go. And from there, it's only a short step to dictating where he will go.

      All of us can see what happens once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man's working place and his working methods, determining his employment. From here it's a short step to all the rest of socialism, to determining his pay. And pretty soon your son won't decide, when he's in school, where he will go or what he will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do.”
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      • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

        Hitler!

        Lex Luther!

        Satan!

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        @mld-woody said:

        Hitler!

        Lex Luther!

        Satan!

        You should stop trying to be funny cause you always end up putting your stupidity on display.

        Why would Obamas alter egos express conservative ideology ya stupid fuck lol?

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          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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          Bugs Bunny!

          Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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          • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

            Bugs Bunny!

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            @mld-woody said:

            Bugs Bunny!

            No Elmer, it wasn't Bugs Bunny.

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              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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              Uncle Sam

              Woody Hayes

              Your mom

              Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                S sadbrownsfan wrote on last edited by
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                Had to google but regean.

                Here is one for you, “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”

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                  C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                  Yep.

                  Answer to yours: Pope Francis ! (just read it on yahoo...GGG

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                    W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                    it isn't much of a surprise its been on every news outlet imaginable.

                    from what I can tell it's not a huge divergence from the attitudes of the last decade.

                    WSS

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                      and for the record Bugs and Elmer are Warnee brothers.

                      Woody works for Walter Lantz hence his confusion.

                      WSS

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                        it isn't much of a surprise its been on every news outlet imaginable.

                        from what I can tell it's not a huge divergence from the attitudes of the last decade.

                        WSS

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                        S sadbrownsfan wrote on last edited by sadbrownsfan
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                        @westside-steve said:

                        it isn't much of a surprise its been on every news outlet imaginable.

                        from what I can tell it's not a huge divergence from the attitudes of the last decade.

                        WSS

                        It wasn't a big change but in organization such as the church these types of statements by the head person takes yrs/decades to slowly make it way to more of common place within that organization.

                        another one- "Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?"

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                          @westside-steve said:

                          it isn't much of a surprise its been on every news outlet imaginable.

                          from what I can tell it's not a huge divergence from the attitudes of the last decade.

                          WSS

                          It wasn't a big change but in organization such as the church these types of statements by the head person takes yrs/decades to slowly make it way to more of common place within that organization.

                          another one- "Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?"

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                          @sadbrownsfan said:

                          It wasn't a big change but in organization such as the church these types of statements by the head person takes yrs/decades to slowly make it way to more of common place within that organization.

                          another one- "Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?"

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                          Ah. That one is surprising. Good one !

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                            I'll guess Mohammed. But I'll have to look it up. WSS

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                              ha ha! I wasn't even close. A little bit ironic since he slaughtered hundreds of thousands but a nice thought huh? WSS

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                                S sadbrownsfan wrote on last edited by
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                                Not sure about the slaughtered, but it was towards the end of the war when people wanted him to go wipe them out and he was leaning more towards reconciliation.

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                                  W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                                  Not sure about the slaughter?

                                  I think we may tend to sanitize the idea of war in previous centuries.

                                  WSS

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                                    “One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. Most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can’t afford it.

                                    [under government controlled healthcare], the doctor begins to lose freedom… [patients] are equally divided among the various doctors by the government… so if a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government says to him, you can't live in that town… the doctor will have to go. And from there, it's only a short step to dictating where he will go.

                                    All of us can see what happens once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man's working place and his working methods, determining his employment. From here it's a short step to all the rest of socialism, to determining his pay. And pretty soon your son won't decide, when he's in school, where he will go or what he will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do.”
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                                    @calfoxwc said:

                                    “One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. Most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can’t afford it.

                                    [under government controlled healthcare], the doctor begins to lose freedom… [patients] are equally divided among the various doctors by the government… so if a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government says to him, you can't live in that town… the doctor will have to go. And from there, it's only a short step to dictating where he will go.

                                    All of us can see what happens once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man's working place and his working methods, determining his employment. From here it's a short step to all the rest of socialism, to determining his pay. And pretty soon your son won't decide, when he's in school, where he will go or what he will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do.”

                                    This is the gateway to turning this nation into a communist country. We already parralel a lot of the same principals with all of our laws and regulations. If you can recall back in the days of your youth while attending school we were taught that in communist countries only those who work for the party get to enjoy the luxuries of life while the rest broke their backs providing it for them.

                                    Now sit back and look at our current economic state of the union. Many folks are forgoing retirement and staying in their field of work because they cannot afford to live if they were to retire . Many working class citizens are not able to afford vacations homes etc. But if you are a government employee many are alotted these things, banks and lending institutions know they can always lend to people with government jobs because they know they will never be layed off.

                                    Now go break your back and pay your taxes because to many welfare and government employees depend on you to provide for them.

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                                      “One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. Most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can’t afford it.

                                      [under government controlled healthcare], the doctor begins to lose freedom… [patients] are equally divided among the various doctors by the government… so if a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government says to him, you can't live in that town… the doctor will have to go. And from there, it's only a short step to dictating where he will go.

                                      All of us can see what happens once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man's working place and his working methods, determining his employment. From here it's a short step to all the rest of socialism, to determining his pay. And pretty soon your son won't decide, when he's in school, where he will go or what he will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do.”
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                                      @calfoxwc said:

                                      All of us can see what happens once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man's working place and his working methods, determining his employment. From here it's a short step to all the rest of socialism, to determining his pay. And pretty soon your son won't decide, when he's in school, where he will go or what he will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do.”

                                      I don't like Obamacare either, just to be clear.

                                      However, this paragraph mirrors the new Republican Party's minor platform...home school vouchers; the disdain for public school education because they believe teachers cost too much money; the desire to kill public employee pensions.

                                      Fiscal responsibility, or socialism? The Rs are just as guilty of socialist ideology here. "Many companies don't have pensions, so why should public employees have one?"

                                      Politics suck by both parties.

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                                        I don't like Obamacare either, just to be clear.

                                        However, this paragraph mirrors the new Republican Party's minor platform...home school vouchers; the disdain for public school education because they believe teachers cost too much money; the desire to kill public employee pensions.

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                                        I love the home school vouchers, btw. Some folks deserve to have another option. They still pay taxes and support

                                        the schools ...well, unless they aren't property owners maybe...@@

                                        The disdain for public education isn't because teachers cost too much money, it's because so many ed systems have

                                        fallen into liberal political correctness, and liberal courses in the curriculum. And, a lack of discipline of bullies/serious troublemakers.

                                        I love the teachers' pensions. Married a teacher, they EARN it. I have big problems with the NEA, and state "EAs". Locked into

                                        one party via the union reps, etc. If you are a conservative teacher, you shouldn't be required to pay liberal support dues

                                        to the teachers unions. If they aren't going to represent you politically, you should at least be able to earmark your dues

                                        to "non-political". You watch that be tried, the unions will go ballistic.

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                                        Fiscal responsibility, or socialism? The Rs are just as guilty of socialist ideology here. "Many companies don't have pensions, so why should public employees have one?"

                                        ***************************************

                                        Wrong argument. I don't see "socialist ideology" in the Reps. Public employees should not have unions. Well, at least

                                        not for financial gain reasons. Fair treatment, okay. But public employees striking against the same people who pay

                                        all the bills? The gov of the people, by the people, for the people, should not have the power to dictate or leverage

                                        union activity against those same people. Pretty much negates the "of, by and for" eh? How can a union strike, or negotiate

                                        more money in pay and bonuses and retirement funds... against people who are already taxed to the max?

                                        It's an unworkable situation if the stuff hits the fan. JMO, Bob

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                                        Politics suck by both parties.

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                                        Yes. When you get rinos with no spine or legitimacy like McCain, Graham, on one side, and President Clinton and her husband Bill,

                                        Biden/Schumer,Reid/Pelosi, Obamao, Holder etc etc.....

                                        They all need to be thrown to the curb. But I'm more disappointed with the dems. They passed Obamaocare, most of them

                                        didn't read it, research it, or care.

                                        It was a political gamble for utopian bragging rights and votes. But, it's backfiring on them.

                                        So much of politics these days has gotten corrupt and out of hand. It's all about mo money, mo votes, mo reelections,

                                        etc..... than serious convictions of right and wrong. It's really hurting this country, and sending us down a destructive road..

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                                          I don't like Obamacare either, just to be clear.

                                          However, this paragraph mirrors the new Republican Party's minor platform...home school vouchers; the disdain for public school education because they believe teachers cost too much money; the desire to kill public employee pensions.

                                          **********************************

                                          I love the home school vouchers, btw. Some folks deserve to have another option. They still pay taxes and support

                                          the schools ...well, unless they aren't property owners maybe...@@

                                          The disdain for public education isn't because teachers cost too much money, it's because so many ed systems have

                                          fallen into liberal political correctness, and liberal courses in the curriculum. And, a lack of discipline of bullies/serious troublemakers.

                                          I love the teachers' pensions. Married a teacher, they EARN it. I have big problems with the NEA, and state "EAs". Locked into

                                          one party via the union reps, etc. If you are a conservative teacher, you shouldn't be required to pay liberal support dues

                                          to the teachers unions. If they aren't going to represent you politically, you should at least be able to earmark your dues

                                          to "non-political". You watch that be tried, the unions will go ballistic.

                                          ****************************************

                                          Fiscal responsibility, or socialism? The Rs are just as guilty of socialist ideology here. "Many companies don't have pensions, so why should public employees have one?"

                                          ***************************************

                                          Wrong argument. I don't see "socialist ideology" in the Reps. Public employees should not have unions. Well, at least

                                          not for financial gain reasons. Fair treatment, okay. But public employees striking against the same people who pay

                                          all the bills? The gov of the people, by the people, for the people, should not have the power to dictate or leverage

                                          union activity against those same people. Pretty much negates the "of, by and for" eh? How can a union strike, or negotiate

                                          more money in pay and bonuses and retirement funds... against people who are already taxed to the max?

                                          It's an unworkable situation if the stuff hits the fan. JMO, Bob

                                          ****************************************

                                          Politics suck by both parties.

                                          *****************************************

                                          Yes. When you get rinos with no spine or legitimacy like McCain, Graham, on one side, and President Clinton and her husband Bill,

                                          Biden/Schumer,Reid/Pelosi, Obamao, Holder etc etc.....

                                          They all need to be thrown to the curb. But I'm more disappointed with the dems. They passed Obamaocare, most of them

                                          didn't read it, research it, or care.

                                          It was a political gamble for utopian bragging rights and votes. But, it's backfiring on them.

                                          So much of politics these days has gotten corrupt and out of hand. It's all about mo money, mo votes, mo reelections,

                                          etc..... than serious convictions of right and wrong. It's really hurting this country, and sending us down a destructive road..

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                                          @calfoxwc said:

                                          I don't like Obamacare either, just to be clear.

                                          However, this paragraph mirrors the new Republican Party's minor platform...home school vouchers; the disdain for public school education because they believe teachers cost too much money; the desire to kill public employee pensions.

                                          **********************************

                                          I love the home school vouchers, btw. Some folks deserve to have another option. They still pay taxes and support

                                          the schools ...well, unless they aren't property owners maybe...@@

                                          The disdain for public education isn't because teachers cost too much money, it's because so many ed systems have

                                          fallen into liberal political correctness, and liberal courses in the curriculum. And, a lack of discipline of bullies/serious troublemakers.

                                          ...and stupid standardized tests, I suppose. Plus, IMHO, the Strongsville strike didn't help anyone's image, as a few teachers' behavior spoiled the whole apple cart. My frustration with education is that in Ohio, the Supreme court ruled years ago that school funding is unconstitutional, yet nobody ( D or R) has the courage to address it. Then our Governor cuts school funding to public schools, and funnels $30 million into Charter Schools....an attempt to weaken public schools.

                                          I love the teachers' pensions. Married a teacher, they EARN it. I have big problems with the NEA, and state "EAs". Locked into

                                          one party via the union reps, etc. If you are a conservative teacher, you shouldn't be required to pay liberal support dues

                                          to the teachers unions. If they aren't going to represent you politically, you should at least be able to earmark your dues

                                          to "non-political". You watch that be tried, the unions will go ballistic.

                                          It's a shame but the game of politics today breeds this. I understand your view here, I really do. Many in my family tell this to me all the time. My only non-emotional argument is simply that larger corporations, like an oil company for example, can contribute far more money to a PAC than any single union can.

                                          I tend to think that most Americans are moderate, and get tugged left or right on certain issues. It's the extremists on both sides that drive the moderates nuts. Vote as an individual, not as a puppet to a union or corporation.

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                                          Fiscal responsibility, or socialism? The Rs are just as guilty of socialist ideology here. "Many companies don't have pensions, so why should public employees have one?"

                                          ***************************************

                                          Wrong argument. I don't see "socialist ideology" in the Reps. Public employees should not have unions. Well, at least

                                          not for financial gain reasons. Fair treatment, okay. But public employees striking against the same people who pay

                                          all the bills? The gov of the people, by the people, for the people, should not have the power to dictate or leverage

                                          union activity against those same people. Pretty much negates the "of, by and for" eh? How can a union strike, or negotiate

                                          more money in pay and bonuses and retirement funds... against people who are already taxed to the max?

                                          It's an unworkable situation if the stuff hits the fan. JMO, Bob

                                          I hear that, but most public unions know that the economy is faltering. I didn't appreciate Gov. Kasich & his posse making SB5 his #1 priority as soon as his mic was turned off on Inauguration Day. I invited the head of the Buckeye Institute up for a debate, he declined. His website was calling people like me "free loaders," wow. I am not anything special, but I am not a "free loader" by any means. I'm a taxpayer, and my salary is paid by all taxpayers. Police and Fire actually do need unionization, and as you know, have no right to strike. You are correct in that it is ludicrous to demand raises above what the pot in a municipality can provide. Wage freezes are becoming the norm in NE Ohio lately, just like the private sector....unions do understand this.

                                          Are adjustments needed? I am sure they are in some shape or form. The pension boards are working with/complying to state legislature's demands. The gains of the 80s/90s aren't there anymore.

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                                          Politics suck by both parties.

                                          *****************************************

                                          Yes. When you get rinos with no spine or legitimacy like McCain, Graham, on one side, and President Clinton and her husband Bill,

                                          Biden/Schumer,Reid/Pelosi, Obamao, Holder etc etc.....

                                          They all need to be thrown to the curb. But I'm more disappointed with the dems. They passed Obamaocare, most of them

                                          didn't read it, research it, or care.

                                          It was a political gamble for utopian bragging rights and votes. But, it's backfiring on them.

                                          Exactly

                                          So much of politics these days has gotten corrupt and out of hand. It's all about mo money, mo votes, mo reelections,

                                          etc..... than serious convictions of right and wrong. It's really hurting this country, and sending us down a destructive road..

                                          Truth

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