Al Queda Threats, Sequester, And Obammy Golfs
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And you don't win elections by bringing people together. Maybe in the few months after an enemy attack but that's about it. The key to success lately has been divide and conquer.
I think we should remember that while we morally agree that disabled people deserve some benefit ask yourself how the vote would go if one side proposed linking say, drug testing to disability benefits? Or one side proposed stricter testing to see if the recipients actually were disabled? How do you think that vote would go?
WSS
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My SS benefits are damn sure earned. I've been paying into it since I was 16, so over 43 years. Not my problem that the government stole the money for other programs.
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1. You posted "Strong military benefits folks in states with military contracts". That is mentioning "military benefits". If I wrote a search
algorithm for "military benefits" it would be found in your post, dangit.
2. SS is calculated based on one's earned income over the work lifetime to retirement date. That is earned. The right
to receive it is earned. Now, if you live to be 95 whatever, and your SS supercedes what you earned, it's still an earned benefit.
You earned the right to receive that benefit for the rest of your days.
3.I wonder how a black repub candidate would do in a pres election. I'd vote for K. Carl Smith over most candidates in the field.
But would the black community avoid him, because of his Frederick Douglas stances? Mostly? Partly? Eventually, we
have to get past the racial divide in politics. But that requires the part of the black community that lives in total dependency
on the free stuff from dems, to get on the Frederick Douglas train as the most important start towards self sufficiency.
4. For now ,that is a good point. The rolls of welfare dived with the attempted work requirement. They skyrocketed
when that requirement was shelved by you know who. Drug testing? Yes. But they say "no". And there are a
lot of them.
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Well Steve, its not like ONLY the group receiving benefits is voting. I'm sure there'd be a group that agrees with drug testing as well.
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Benefits is used as a verb.......
WSS
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I would vote for drug testing people on welfare.
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Benefits is used as a verb.......
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Well.... I kinda almost knew that. @@
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Benefits is used as a verb.......
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Well.... I kinda almost knew that. @@
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Well Steve, its not like ONLY the group receiving benefits is voting. I'm sure there'd be a group that agrees with drug testing as well.
Yes of course there will always be some voters on the other side. But when most of the population is getting some free stuff, whatever it may be, they will usually outnumber the providers and those who don't want free stuff. Or more specifically don't want to pay for the free stuff. I don't have a link or a study but I would guess there are more cockroaches in the world then there are Border Collies.Well Steve, its not like ONLY the group receiving benefits is voting. I'm sure there'd be a group that agrees with drug testing as well.
WSS
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I was going to ask a question, but you said you don't have a link or a study, so nevermind.
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I was going to ask a question, but you said you don't have a link or a study, so nevermind.
Fair enough.I was going to ask a question, but you said you don't have a link or a study, so nevermind.
If you think there are more border collies than cockroaches...
Actually many many things should just be self evident and often its hard to find an exact set off graphs or charts on the net. But we are grown ups here and you are always free to say that you honestly don't believe something.
Unless I'm just being facetious anything I say is something I believe to be true whether or not I can give chapter and verse of where I read or saw it.
WSS
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I like to stand by beliefs that can be proven or at least have facts and science on their side (hence the religion thing). Instead of just anecdotal evidence or beliefs that have been passed down and unchallenged or whatever.
I'm just saying that you think you can just go "free stuff" and win an election. Like you said, people do enjoy free stuff, but not everyone will blindly take it because they realize its not actually free. Between those people and the people against free stuff because they aren't getting any I would think the opposition would be pretty decent.
But I also don't have any charts on me right now. If I can poke holes in your side easily enough though, and its the same old thing you've been saying since it was clear Obama would win, I don't see a reason to agree without any facts to support it. Plus, I'd think you have the burden of proof here.
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Of course while you may like to think of yourself as being very analytical the great bulk of your posts never exceed the intellectual limit of calling somebody idiot or old. Just saying. But if you think I'm saying something that's wrong rather that bitch that I haven't provided you with a satisfactory graph feel free to post one that proves me wrong. That's what you did when we were discussing whether or not Mexico is a third world shit hole. I believe you ended up incorrect in that particular instance but it was well done that you found something that contradicted what I said. I then pointed out that there was a new chart updated in 2013. But point taken. If the battle cry is for more programs and benefits that should be paid for by taxing the rich I would say that there are lots more what programs and benefits than rich people. If you think that's incorrect feel free to find me a graph that shows most people in America are considered rich. If not then you might want to spin it some other way.
WSS
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I was gonna offer that I think the Al Queda threats / intercepted communiques are a red herring too!
Even in light of the (current up to date) news of a drone attack on 4 terrorists in Yemen.
What a great story to deflect from the scandals at home? the media / administration love affair is back!
have a nice day
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When the majority of posts are just "Liberals suck" "Obamao is Hitler" etc there isn't much of a point to spend the time making a post that has supporting references, etc because it is a useless battle. Cal has been proven wrong pretty conclusively multiple times and he'll do what he can to squirm out of it and not admit it. Add in all the "You're a stupid kid" and "Woodpecker" childish insult posts and I see no reason to give them a post that much higher intellectually than their own. It is a waste of time. I'll occasionally type out debate worthy posts, but its not like I ever get the same level back. Like you said, I took Cal's map and turned it around. Then I got a "source" that was a letter to the editor. Then I got a map of drug cartels which didn't have anything to do about what we were discussing. There's no point most of the time to give a long, debate worthy reply.
I wasn't bitching about your lack of stats. You are just trying to make the point you can win an election with just "free stuff". It would seen you have the burden of proof here, not me.
Your speech to text is pretty messed up today. Do you have a cold?
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Ha. You are correct in that.
Sometimes I neglect to edit this shit as quickly as I should. But just keep in mind who you are actually crabbing about.
and, as I always try to do, I try to avoid things like every or all or only.
I just think that when the majority wants free shit and the minority pays the taxes that weights and election.
WSS
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And for the record I include myself in that as well. I've disagreed with Bob about the unions but let me tell you that if Musicians Union made sure I got a lifetime pension and couldn't really be fired or replaced and the taxpayers we're picking up the tab I'd probably be pro union too.
WSS
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There's a musicians union?
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Yes there is. It used to have some power even though that's pretty much gone now. The big boys saw some better shit but most of us local musicians just paid dues even though at one point we got stiffed and the Union made the club owner cough up the money. Pretty funny he refused to pay us because I did a disco sucks routine and his place was a disco as well as a rock club. We got together before a panel of octogenarian Italian American musicians who asked him what did the boys say that was offensive? He said disco sucks. The old paisan said pay the boys. But many many years ago I believe in the 70's there was a Musicians Union strike which affected the real guys out in Hollywood in New York. I remember The Smothers Brothers show theme song was sung acapella for a time.
the Union exists still today but I don't think any live music venues give a shit so...
WSS
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