The O-Line Continued Failure at Opening Up Running Lanes
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This has been a problem for as long as I can remember. Is this something that has to do with schemes, personel, or what?
I routinely see other NFL teams create lanes and open up spaces for their running backs but we just can't seem to do this.
What's the deal?
TCPO, do you have any clue as to how to have a discussion?
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On Gilkey... let's not get delusional... at best he played like a small college rookie making the leap to the NFL... especially at right guard. Prolly graded out a "C-" on that side where he did mostly face Suh. But seeing as how Suh blew up nearly everyone he played across from in the game, including Pinky and Joe Thomas, it could have been a lot worse. Once he moved to left guard, Gilkey looked much more comfy... even made a nice adjustment pulling on a trap play. Of course that was against second team D.
Had to say "Suh blew up nearly everyone" above because of one O-lineman... Alex Mack. Mack played a great game and came very close to "handling" both Suh and Fairly. It mattered not who was a cross from him. There's a rock in the middle of our line.
This has been a problem for as long as I can remember. Is this something that has to do with schemes, personnel, or what?
I've been a little puzzled here as well. "Schemes" seems to be the operative word. Week 1 we looked like a pure zone blocking team; week 2 we looked to take a classic, pull and trap, power approach. It may be Norv and company are trying to see which suits us. It seemed to me like the latter... which sprang a couple nice runs (TR's sweep left and Lewis' off tackle left).
Exactly. I have no idea who the next man up is now. Our backup OLine, outside of Gilkey, looked like shit.
Not true... Hauptmann played decent and Butler had another good game. Cave and Shaw... not so much.
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TCPO, do you have any clue as to how to have a discussion?
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On Gilkey... let's not get delusional... at best he played like a small college rookie making the leap to the NFL... especially at right guard. Prolly graded out a "C-" on that side where he did mostly face Suh. But seeing as how Suh blew up nearly everyone he played across from in the game, including Pinky and Joe Thomas, it could have been a lot worse. Once he moved to left guard, Gilkey looked much more comfy... even made a nice adjustment pulling on a trap play. Of course that was against second team D.
Had to say "Suh blew up nearly everyone" above because of one O-lineman... Alex Mack. Mack played a great game and came very close to "handling" both Suh and Fairly. It mattered not who was a cross from him. There's a rock in the middle of our line.
This has been a problem for as long as I can remember. Is this something that has to do with schemes, personnel, or what?
I've been a little puzzled here as well. "Schemes" seems to be the operative word. Week 1 we looked like a pure zone blocking team; week 2 we looked to take a classic, pull and trap, power approach. It may be Norv and company are trying to see which suits us. It seemed to me like the latter... which sprang a couple nice runs (TR's sweep left and Lewis' off tackle left).
Exactly. I have no idea who the next man up is now. Our backup OLine, outside of Gilkey, looked like shit.
Not true... Hauptmann played decent and Butler had another good game. Cave and Shaw... not so much.
TCPO, do you have any clue as to how to have a discussion?
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On Gilkey... let's not get delusional... at best he played like a small college rookie making the leap to the NFL... especially at right guard. Prolly graded out a "C-" on that side where he did mostly face Suh. But seeing as how Suh blew up nearly everyone he played across from in the game, including Pinky and Joe Thomas, it could have been a lot worse. Once he moved to left guard, Gilkey looked much more comfy... even made a nice adjustment pulling on a trap play. Of course that was against second team D.
Had to say "Suh blew up nearly everyone" above because of one O-lineman... Alex Mack. Mack played a great game and came very close to "handling" both Suh and Fairly. It mattered not who was a cross from him. There's a rock in the middle of our line.
I've been a little puzzled here as well. "Schemes" seems to be the operative word. Week 1 we looked like a pure zone blocking team; week 2 we looked to take a classic, pull and trap, power approach. It may be Norv and company are trying to see which suits us. It seemed to me like the latter... which sprang a couple nice runs (TR's sweep left and Lewis' off tackle left).
Not true... Hauptmann played decent and Butler had another good game. Cave and Shaw... not so much.
After being on this forum for the past couple of years, there's only a few people I give the benefit of the doubt to as far as being able to hold rational conversation.
He's not one of them.
At this point, I just jump straight to the insults and skip the five-ten posts of facts that he'll callously disregard.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
Check the run/pass ratio of the two Super Bowl teams and then get back to me.
I dont need to...its pretty simple
Aaron Rodgers
Terry Bradshaw
Joe Montana
Tom Brady
Peyton and Eli Manning...
Get the picture?..whats Adrian Peterson done but get hurt every year...
I dont need to...its pretty simple
Aaron Rodgers
Terry Bradshaw
Joe Montana
Tom Brady
Peyton and Eli Manning...
Get the picture?..whats Adrian Peterson done but get hurt every year...
Besides carry the Vikings? Oh absolutely nothing. I'm convinced you don't even watch football. My point above was also pretty clear. The Browns either run the football and run it well or lose even more games. You don't invest a top 5 draft pick in a running back to not run the ball effecitvely, so you better hope those running lanes open up. HOWEVER when it all boils down it's the preseason AND my friends the Preseason means jack for what's in store when the regular season begins.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
so if you run the ball well you win more games?
and the preseason means nothing?
better write that down so we dont forget!
what other knowledge can you share with us dimwits..
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so if you run the ball well you win more games?
and the preseason means nothing?
better write that down so we dont forget!
what other knowledge can you share with us dimwits..
so if you run the ball well you win more games?
and the preseason means nothing?
better write that down so we dont forget!
what other knowledge can you share with us dimwits..
Unfortunately, people here don't understand that.
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TCPO, do you have any clue as to how to have a discussion?
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On Gilkey... let's not get delusional... at best he played like a small college rookie making the leap to the NFL... especially at right guard. Prolly graded out a "C-" on that side where he did mostly face Suh. But seeing as how Suh blew up nearly everyone he played across from in the game, including Pinky and Joe Thomas, it could have been a lot worse. Once he moved to left guard, Gilkey looked much more comfy... even made a nice adjustment pulling on a trap play. Of course that was against second team D.
Had to say "Suh blew up nearly everyone" above because of one O-lineman... Alex Mack. Mack played a great game and came very close to "handling" both Suh and Fairly. It mattered not who was a cross from him. There's a rock in the middle of our line.
I've been a little puzzled here as well. "Schemes" seems to be the operative word. Week 1 we looked like a pure zone blocking team; week 2 we looked to take a classic, pull and trap, power approach. It may be Norv and company are trying to see which suits us. It seemed to me like the latter... which sprang a couple nice runs (TR's sweep left and Lewis' off tackle left).
Not true... Hauptmann played decent and Butler had another good game. Cave and Shaw... not so much.
After being on this forum for the past couple of years, there's only a few people I give the benefit of the doubt to as far as being able to hold rational conversation.
He's not one of them.
At this point, I just jump straight to the insults and skip the five-ten posts of facts that he'll callously disregard.
After being on this forum for the past couple of years, there's only a few people I give the benefit of the doubt to as far as being able to hold rational conversation.
At this point, I just jump straight to the insults and skip the five-ten posts of facts that he'll callously disregard.
What? You haven't figured out personal insults just drag down the whole level of conversation, and make you look rather childish in the process? Just don't make a habit out of it.
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After being on this forum for the past couple of years, there's only a few people I give the benefit of the doubt to as far as being able to hold rational conversation.
At this point, I just jump straight to the insults and skip the five-ten posts of facts that he'll callously disregard.
What? You haven't figured out personal insults just drag down the whole level of conversation, and make you look rather childish in the process? Just don't make a habit out of it.
What? You haven't figured out personal insults just drag down the whole level of conversation, and make you look rather childish in the process? Just don't make a habit out of it.
No, I've figured it out. I've just realized that most people, outside you, Gip, and a few select others only respond to insults. Therefore, if I intend to have any sort of discourse, I must immediately begin the relentless barrage of insults.
Also, I've been drunk since January.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
After being on this forum for the past couple of years, there's only a few people I give the benefit of the doubt to as far as being able to hold rational conversation.
At this point, I just jump straight to the insults and skip the five-ten posts of facts that he'll callously disregard.
What? You haven't figured out personal insults just drag down the whole level of conversation, and make you look rather childish in the process? Just don't make a habit out of it.
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What? You haven't figured out personal insults just drag down the whole level of conversation, and make you look rather childish in the process? Just don't make a habit out of it.
No, I've figured it out. I've just realized that most people, outside you, Gip, and a few select others only respond to insults. Therefore, if I intend to have any sort of discourse, I must immediately begin the relentless barrage of insults.
Also, I've been drunk since January.
No, I've figured it out. I've just realized that most people, outside you, Gip, and a few select others only respond to insults. Therefore, if I intend to have any sort of discourse, I must immediately begin the relentless barrage of insults.
Also, I've been drunk since January.
that doesn't excuse bad behavior sir. i should know. i've been drunk since 1982 and you don't see me on here acting like an ass.
HA!!
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I dont need to...its pretty simple
Aaron Rodgers
Terry Bradshaw
Joe Montana
Tom Brady
Peyton and Eli Manning...
Get the picture?..whats Adrian Peterson done but get hurt every year...
Besides carry the Vikings? Oh absolutely nothing. I'm convinced you don't even watch football. My point above was also pretty clear. The Browns either run the football and run it well or lose even more games. You don't invest a top 5 draft pick in a running back to not run the ball effecitvely, so you better hope those running lanes open up. HOWEVER when it all boils down it's the preseason AND my friends the Preseason means jack for what's in store when the regular season begins.
Besides carry the Vikings? Oh absolutely nothing. I'm convinced you don't even watch football. My point above was also pretty clear. The Browns either run the football and run it well or lose even more games. You don't invest a top 5 draft pick in a running back to not run the ball effecitvely, so you better hope those running lanes open up. HOWEVER when it all boils down it's the preseason AND my friends the Preseason means jack for what's in store when the regular season begins.
I've watched a ton more football than you ever would dream of..long before you were a one night stand in your daddy's pants. go drink some more steeler piss you stupid asshole!
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I dont need to...its pretty simple
Aaron Rodgers
Terry Bradshaw
Joe Montana
Tom Brady
Peyton and Eli Manning...
Get the picture?..whats Adrian Peterson done but get hurt every year...
And yet you still haven't looked up the ratios.
I get it. Because once you do, you'll have no argument. You'll just continue to mutter "buh Tom Brady Peyton manning" until someone agrees with you.
Keep on being an ignorant asshole, it suits you very well.
And yet you still haven't looked up the ratios.
I get it. Because once you do, you'll have no argument. You'll just continue to mutter "buh Tom Brady Peyton manning" until someone agrees with you.
Keep on being an ignorant asshole, it suits you very well.
And keep being a drunken baboon..it suits you to a tee,,,
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
I saw Richardson bust 2 up the middle in his two series. I thought it looked fine.
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And yet you still haven't looked up the ratios.
I get it. Because once you do, you'll have no argument. You'll just continue to mutter "buh Tom Brady Peyton manning" until someone agrees with you.
Keep on being an ignorant asshole, it suits you very well.
And keep being a drunken baboon..it suits you to a tee,,,
And keep being a drunken baboon..it suits you to a tee,,,
And you still haven't. Keep being an ignorant vagus.
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And you still haven't. Keep being an ignorant vagus.
You must be drunk because that looks like the post of a 2 year old...good goin chumlee...now do us all a favor..Off yourself!
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And you still haven't. Keep being an ignorant vagus.
You must be drunk because that looks like the post of a 2 year old...good goin chumlee...now do us all a favor..Off yourself!
You must be drunk because that looks like the post of a 2 year old...good goin chumlee...now do us all a favor..Off yourself!
Four responses deep and you still have done zero research in true nickers fashion.
Good job, pal. Keep up the great work.
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Four responses deep and you still have done zero research in true nickers fashion.
Good job, pal. Keep up the great work.
Im not paid to do research...since your so fucking adamant...get off your lazy drunkin stool and do the fucking research yourself you lazy drunk...
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Four responses deep and you still have done zero research in true nickers fashion.
Good job, pal. Keep up the great work.
Im not paid to do research...since your so fucking adamant...get off your lazy drunkin stool and do the fucking research yourself you lazy drunk...
Im not paid to do research...since your so fucking adamant...get off your lazy drunkin stool and do the fucking research yourself you lazy drunk...
Already have, you middle aged loser.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
This has been a problem for as long as I can remember. Is this something that has to do with schemes, personel, or what?
I routinely see other NFL teams create lanes and open up spaces for their running backs but we just can't seem to do this.
What's the deal?
This has been a problem for as long as I can remember. Is this something that has to do with schemes, personel, or what?
I routinely see other NFL teams create lanes and open up spaces for their running backs but we just can't seem to do this.
What's the deal?
THE DEAL IS THAT NONE OF YOU UNDERSTAND FOOTBALL.
The OL doesn't make running lanes, never did, never will and physiclly, can not open up runnng lanes. The OL consists of ONLY FIVE MEN. When an opposing defense can place all 12 defenders on RED ALERT to focus on everything within 7 - 10 yars of the LOS, there are simply too man defensive bodies for ANY OL to block.
The Browns have no deep threats, and defenses know this.
Skill players MAKE the OL. Always have, always will. If it wasn't for Jim Brown, Gene Hickerson would be unknown, even to Browns fans. Until the Browns have enough offensive threats to make defenses not only guess but accountfor multiple possibilities, then our L will be at a disadvantage.
When a defense has to account for many options eah play, it gives the OL the upper hand, THIS is what allows an OL to wear down an opposing defense. The BRowns simply hav no offensive potency, and this trend will continue.
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The OL doesn't make running lanes, never did, never will and physiclly, can not open up runnng lanes. The OL consists of ONLY FIVE MEN. When an opposing defense can place all 12 defenders on RED ALERT to focus on everything within 7 - 10 yars of the LOS, there are simply too man defensive bodies for ANY OL to block.
The Browns have no deep threats, and defenses know this.
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They have Benjamin and Gordon now.
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Skill players MAKE the OL. Always have, always will.
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Bullhockey. The OL lets the skill players excel or not.
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If it wasn't for Jim Brown, Gene Hickerson would be unknown, even to Browns fans.
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Bullhockey. Even Jim Brown always gave the credit for his success to his offensive liine.
Great rb's do. Of course they do, it's true. When the oline struggles, the skill players
get the hell beaten out of them.
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Until the Browns have enough offensive threats to make defenses not only guess but account for multiple possibilities, then our L will be at a disadvantage.
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True. You need a balanced attack, solid oline, the right system and coaches. It's like a game of chess.
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When a defense has to account for many options eah play, it gives the OL the upper hand, THIS is what allows an OL to wear down an opposing defense. The BRowns simply hav no offensive potency, and this trend will continue.
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TRUE: Of course it does give the OL the upper hand. Being one-dimensional is tough business.
FALSE: Of course the Browns have offensive potency. Look at the numbers in preseason so far. You've never
seen those numbers with the Browns before, ever, in preseason.
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