I Hope They are BOTH Alright!
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It was a clean hit while leading with his helmet. ........i meant a dirty hit.
who gives a crap! steelers suck balls and there fans wimper in the closet.
They even said helmet-to-helmet tackles are legal but you know more then people whose careers revolve around knowing everything about football...
If we suck what to the browns do?
@yeahdaisafuturehofer... said:
They even said helmet-to-helmet tackles are legal but you know more then people whose careers revolve around knowing everything about football...If we suck what to the browns do?
lets see played college ball and semi pro coached hs ball for a couple of years and have been asked to be the D-coordinator for the port city chargers semipro football team.
it was a poor decision for him to lower his head while tackling that is the first thing you teach em as young pups. the only reason one would lower and lead with there head while tackling is to use the helmet as a weapon. Its the risk he took as a cheapshot artist.
so kiss offyou stoolers suck up.
and the steelers will always suck!
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@yeahdaisafuturehofer... said:
They even said helmet-to-helmet tackles are legal but you know more then people whose careers revolve around knowing everything about football...If we suck what to the browns do?
lets see played college ball and semi pro coached hs ball for a couple of years and have been asked to be the D-coordinator for the port city chargers semipro football team.
it was a poor decision for him to lower his head while tackling that is the first thing you teach em as young pups. the only reason one would lower and lead with there head while tackling is to use the helmet as a weapon. Its the risk he took as a cheapshot artist.
so kiss offyou stoolers suck up.
and the steelers will always suck!
lets see played college ball and semi pro coached hs ball for a couple of years and have been asked to be the D-coordinator for the port city chargers semipro football team.
it was a poor decision for him to lower his head while tackling that is the first thing you teach em as young pups. the only reason one would lower and lead with there head while tackling is to use the helmet as a weapon. Its the risk he took as a cheapshot artist.
so kiss offyou stoolers suck up.
and the steelers will always suck!
Its was a poor tackling technique but he did make the tackle and force a fumble.
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If Pitt was down two touchdowns at that point I doubt the fans would have been nice
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If Pitt was down two touchdowns at that point I doubt the fans would have been nice
If Pitt was down two touchdowns at that point I doubt the fans would have been nice
Please don't assume...
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Please rewatch the hit. The initial contact was should-to-shoulder. I feel its inapropriate to argue on this particular thread.
Seems ESPN disagrees:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3843021
I'll bet the Commissioner does, too.
You don't want to argue because you're wrong. Stop trying to defend the indefensible, especially when there is video evidence.
Notice that no one has claimed it was a purposeful hit.
Seems ESPN disagrees:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3843021
I'll bet the Commissioner does, too.
You don't want to argue because you're wrong. Stop trying to defend the indefensible, especially when there is video evidence.
Notice that no one has claimed it was a purposeful hit.
Its was a helmet-to-helmet hit but intial contact was shoulder-to-shoulder.
Its was a helmet-to-helmet hit but intial contact was shoulder-to-shoulder.
Its was a helmet-to-helmet hit but intial contact was shoulder-to-shoulder.
Its was a helmet-to-helmet hit but intial contact was shoulder-to-shoulder.
Its was a helmet-to-helmet hit but intial contact was shoulder-to-shoulder.
Its was a helmet-to-helmet hit but intial contact was shoulder-to-shoulder.
I hope repeating this 6 times is enough for you to finally understand...
Please don't accuse me of not wanting to argue becuase I was wrong. Please show mean when I said I don't want to argue at all about this. Please have fun doing so. I said that I will feel guilty arguing on this thread becuase it was intended to wish the both the best of luck. You purposely took my words out of context to lie about me. Please don't do that.
I would be surprised if Goodell did anything becuase after the game Harbaugh, Flacco, and Lewis all believed the hit was clean.
Yeah, so ESPN doesn't seem to disagree....
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Posted by Mike Florio on January 19, 2009, 2:30 p.m. EST
The Baltimore Ravens have announced that running back Willis McGahee has been released from a Pittsburgh hospital after spending the night there due to injuries suffered in Sunday’s AFC Championship.
“McGahee was released from Presbyterian Hospital in Pittsburgh early this morning and returned immediately to Baltimore,” said Kevin Byrne, the Ravens’ senior V.P. of public and community relations. “He is resting at his home today. It is expected that Willis will have a complete recovery from the head and neck injuries he suffered last night.”
We reported last night that McGahee suffered a concussion, and that he is expected to be OK.
The veteran tailback, who suffered a nasty knee injury six years ago in the Fiesta Bowl, was flattened by Steelers safety Ryan Clark late in the fourth quarter of the Steelers’ 23-14 victory. Based on the replay angles aired in the wake of the collision, the hit looked clean.
Clark launched himself head first at McGahee, who seemed to instinctively duck his head into the contact. Though the helmet-to-helmet nature might have been inadvertent, the league typically frowns on players launching themselves helmet first at opponents.
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Of course, you guys will insist he is lying becuase what he says doesn't make your disgruntled selves sleep better. The hit was clean!
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Do you want me to copy that picture in here 6 times that shows his head leaning back before his shoulder is impacted? I can. . . because then maybe seeing it 6 times will make you understand that you're wrong.
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"Clark launched himself head first at McGahee, who seemed to instinctively duck his head into the contact. Though the helmet-to-helmet nature might have been inadvertent, the league typically frowns on players launching themselves helmet first at opponents."
This is exactly what I was talking about. "Clark launched himself head first at McGahee. . . the league typically frowns on players launching themselves helmet first at opponents." My first post talked about this being exactly what I hate, is players launching themselves head first. The picture showed his arms at his sides, he wasn't trying to make a good form tackle, he was trying to make the big 'highlight' hit.
You said in another post that it was a clean hit, then turned around and said he will probably get fined by the NFL. The NFL doesn't make it a habit of fining clean hits.
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@hiwaygal said:
And from this source:He didn't lead with his head so it will not be a fine. Goodell already said you can "leave your feet" and "launch" yourself. You just can lead with your helmet.
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"Clark launched himself head first at McGahee, who seemed to instinctively duck his head into the contact. Though the helmet-to-helmet nature might have been inadvertent, the league typically frowns on players launching themselves helmet first at opponents."
This is exactly what I was talking about. "Clark launched himself head first at McGahee. . . the league typically frowns on players launching themselves helmet first at opponents." My first post talked about this being exactly what I hate, is players launching themselves head first. The picture showed his arms at his sides, he wasn't trying to make a good form tackle, he was trying to make the big 'highlight' hit.
You said in another post that it was a clean hit, then turned around and said he will probably get fined by the NFL. The NFL doesn't make it a habit of fining clean hits.
"Clark launched himself head first at McGahee, who seemed to instinctively duck his head into the contact. Though the helmet-to-helmet nature might have been inadvertent, the league typically frowns on players launching themselves helmet first at opponents."
This is exactly what I was talking about. "Clark launched himself head first at McGahee. . . the league typically frowns on players launching themselves helmet first at opponents." My first post talked about this being exactly what I hate, is players launching themselves head first. The picture showed his arms at his sides, he wasn't trying to make a good form tackle, he was trying to make the big 'highlight' hit.
You said in another post that it was a clean hit, then turned around and said he will probably get fined by the NFL. The NFL doesn't make it a habit of fining clean hits.
I NEVER said he will be fined and yes Goodell said he will fine clean hits if he feels the were unnecessary. Tackling someone with the ball is not only necessary, its the point of the game.
So much for frowning on players who launch themselves... That Jets player wasn't fined for luanching himself at Boldin, he was fined for the blantant helmet-to-helmet hit on a defensless receiver. McGahee wasn't defensless becuase he ran straight at Clark while he looked at him. Helmet-to-helmet tackling is allowed as long as you don't luach yourself. He hit shoulder-to-shoulder to start.
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Do you want me to copy that picture in here 6 times that shows his head leaning back before his shoulder is impacted? I can. . . because then maybe seeing it 6 times will make you understand that you're wrong.
Do you want me to copy that picture in here 6 times that shows his head leaning back before his shoulder is impacted? I can. . . because then maybe seeing it 6 times will make you understand that you're wrong.
League rule states that helmet-to-helmet tackling isn't against the rules. And yeah, I would LOVE for you to show me proof it was blantantly helemt-to-helmet. I suggest you use the same method the league does and look at it from atleast 3 different angles.
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Funny, these are the same bunch of assholes who were complaining that McGinest's hit on Cocklickburger was dirty, and it was not even anything NEAR what this clown did. Funny, because all game I was saying about how Clark and that other beat-off they have are always taking shots at people. Sure enough....
That hit was clean..... Although Goodell fined Justin Tuck and LaMarr Woodley for similiar hits, to stay fair I figured he would be fined. Although it was completely clean.
That hit was clean..... Although Goodell fined Justin Tuck and LaMarr Woodley for similiar hits, to stay fair I figured he would be fined. Although it was completely clean.
I believe this is you saying you figured he would be fined. . .
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That hit was clean..... Although Goodell fined Justin Tuck and LaMarr Woodley for similiar hits, to stay fair I figured he would be fined. Although it was completely clean.
I believe this is you saying you figured he would be fined. . .
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@hiwaygal said:
And you were WRONG about that too!Fact is that Clark has a history of just this kind of hit. He's been fined before for "helmet-to-helmet" hits and "launching" himself at other players. He admits he doesn't "know how to control" his tackles.
Did you even read what I said? What was wrong about that? Or did he get fined?
FS's are known for being reckless when making hits and tackles. See Ed Reed, Brian Dawkins, Rodney harrison, Sean Taylor etc. In the NFL, it seems to be nature of the position to get fined and penalized more often then other positions. It doesn't make it right to do anything dangerous or dirty. Yes, he has made reckless hits before but he doesn't have a history of dirty play...
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That was in refrence to Willie McGinest's hit on Ben. For the record, he wasn't fined as of now so he will probably never be fined for it. (That last sentence also being in refrence to Willie's hit on Ben)
There ar times when guys are fined until 2, 3, or 4 days after a game. Sometimes a week later. If he isn't fined by Thursday, then he won't be for sure.
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That was in refrence to Willie McGinest's hit on Ben. For the record, he wasn't fined as of now so he will probably never be fined for it. (That last sentence also being in refrence to Willie's hit on Ben)
There ar times when guys are fined until 2, 3, or 4 days after a game. Sometimes a week later. If he isn't fined by Thursday, then he won't be for sure.
Masters said:
There ar times when guys are fined until 2, 3, or 4 days after a game. Sometimes a week later. If he isn't fined by Thursday, then he won't be for sure.Willie McGinest is on the Browns and the hit I am reffering to happened week 17.
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I, too, hope they're both alright. . . but I SERIOUSLY HATE when players lead with their helmet to the other player's head. It seems to happen more and more each game, and more and more players are getting serious concussion, neck injuries, paralysis. Yet they keep doing it. What is it, they don't know good tackling fundamentals, so they try to knock them out so they can't go anymore? It's dangerous for the players doing it, and it's even more dangerous for the players not expecting it. It's cheap, and they need to keep it under control before someone gets killed. I'm not picking on the Steelers, players around the league are doing it. Even Sean Jones and Brodney Pool (Pool keeps giving himself concussions by leading with his head).
I'm done venting. Way to ruin a good game.
I, too, hope they're both alright. . . but I SERIOUSLY HATE when players lead with their helmet to the other player's head. It seems to happen more and more each game, and more and more players are getting serious concussion, neck injuries, paralysis. Yet they keep doing it. What is it, they don't know good tackling fundamentals, so they try to knock them out so they can't go anymore? It's dangerous for the players doing it, and it's even more dangerous for the players not expecting it. It's cheap, and they need to keep it under control before someone gets killed. I'm not picking on the Steelers, players around the league are doing it. Even Sean Jones and Brodney Pool (Pool keeps giving himself concussions by leading with his head).
I'm done venting. Way to ruin a good game.
Did you ever play DB ??? You Head will be out there on Tackles. and He had his shoulder out front. The Motion of Both made it as semi-Head to Head Shoulder to Head collision. The guy with his Head out front is Equally at Danger you know ? No sane person TRYS to use his Head on a hit.
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Masters said:
There ar times when guys are fined until 2, 3, or 4 days after a game. Sometimes a week later. If he isn't fined by Thursday, then he won't be for sure.Willie McGinest is on the Browns and the hit I am reffering to happened week 17.
Willie McGinest is on the Browns and the hit I am reffering to happened week 17.
I know, and I am still refering to Clarks hit yesterday.
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