I'm Starting to Not Care About the Browns Anymore
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I must say Gipper with all the bullshit on this board. You are without a doubt the only one that I would love to meet. You make more sense and understand more than anyone else ON THIS BOARD!!!!!
Oh, I'm sure you'd like the Gipper- or about any one of the regulars that show up down @ the Settler's Landing parking lot to talk football and down a few drinks before the game.
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Great video to go with a speech. Sweet.
But overall... I agree. I can't imagine growing up a fan of a certain hometown team, building all that history with your dad and then your son... and then one day just saying, "Now I'm a Niners fan."
Is it tempting? Sure. Poof, I'm a Niners fan. Hey, they're even in California! Driving distance!
It just isn't real. It's like being a Packers fan because, well... you just are. You chose them. I had a friend in Kansas City who just woke up one day and became a Packers fans. Started going to their games and then the camps and all that. Has a lot of hats and jerseys and photos and shit, but somehow it isn't the same.
Lots of L.A. kids just pick a team since we don't have one. It's weird.
I "rooted" for the Packers during the 3 years when we were on hiatus but it really wasn't the same. I didn't go out and buy Packers gear but I needed one team to at least care about and Green Bay fans seem to be a lot like Cleveland fans in their passion for their team.
As much as I rooted and followed the Packers, I never made plans around watching their games. Certainly not like now, they only way I miss watching a Browns game on TV is if I'm in the stadium watching it.
I don't understand switching teams or giving up on the team. They frustrate me a lot...but come Sunday morning I'll be sitting here watching thinking that we have a chance to win this week.
I "rooted" for the Packers during the 3 years when we were on hiatus but it really wasn't the same. I didn't go out and buy Packers gear but I needed one team to at least care about and Green Bay fans seem to be a lot like Cleveland fans in their passion for their team.
As much as I rooted and followed the Packers, I never made plans around watching their games. Certainly not like now, they only way I miss watching a Browns game on TV is if I'm in the stadium watching it.
I don't understand switching teams or giving up on the team. They frustrate me a lot...but come Sunday morning I'll be sitting here watching thinking that we have a chance to win this week.
During that time I too was "somewhat" of a Packer backer. There was the greedy owner issue, and since Green Bay is the only team not owned by a greedy individual (yes, all 31 other owners ARE greedy), but rather owned by the community, they seemed worthy of support. Plus my wife is from Wisconsin and her dad is a Packer fan. (not that she personally really cared)
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wow, you ARE delusional.
what do you consider young?
you are one guy that cannot walk away from young vs. old.
do you consider peyton manning old? rodgers, the other manning, brady or brees? how about c. johnson, megatron, suh, haden etc. are they young in your eyes?
they all have been in the league for more than 3 years....so in college ranks they'd be old.
you make no sense sometimes.
what are you smokin dust?
Like it or not the browns have one of the losingist reputations in the entire NFL. Probably not the worst since Jacksonville is around but certainly bottom three. Has any other team that played before the super bowl faiked to make a single super bowl appearance? To me it looks like the kids, hell all the players, get here and think "oh. I'm on the browns" and start phoning it in. This could change if we got a super elite quarterback but we haven't, have we?
Like it or not the browns have one of the losingist reputations in the entire NFL. Probably not the worst since Jacksonville is around but certainly bottom three. Has any other team that played before the super bowl faiked to make a single super bowl appearance? To me it looks like the kids, hell all the players, get here and think "oh. I'm on the browns" and start phoning it in. This could change if we got a super elite quarterback but we haven't, have we?
Again, a short sighted view. ONLY the Packers and the Bears have more overall titles than the Browns. The Giants have the same number. When you take non-Browns teams from Northeast Ohio that also won, Cleveland/NEO and Green Bay are tied for most titles.
OK, you say that it is a "What have you done for me lately league"? Yes, perhaps it is. Then that is where my adage truly comes into play: "The only titles that count are the last one and the next one."
The Ravens have their current reign going for them. They wear the Crown. So be it. But everything else, from 1920 to 2011 is just history. And that is all. The New York Giants title won in 2011 does them no more good to who will win the next one than the Cleveland Browns title from 1950 does them.
Reputation won't win shit. Performance will.
And that is a fucking fact.
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I was in Cary, NC, and that's right when the Panthers were starting. I really enjoyed it. They went to the NFC championship their first or second year. My son Cooper was born there and stayed a Panthers fan.
I was in Cary, NC, and that's right when the Panthers were starting. I really enjoyed it. They went to the NFC championship their first or second year. My son Cooper was born there and stayed a Panthers fan.
Yeah- and that's yet another sore spot if you're a Browns fan. The Panthers and Jags got a much better deal- and far more start up time than the Browns did. It's been almost exclusively a comedy of errors since. Let's hope & pray the new ownership, management, & coaches can get it right this time. And to my mind, the jury is still out on hiring Lombardi.
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Like it or not the browns have one of the losingist reputations in the entire NFL. Probably not the worst since Jacksonville is around but certainly bottom three. Has any other team that played before the super bowl faiked to make a single super bowl appearance? To me it looks like the kids, hell all the players, get here and think "oh. I'm on the browns" and start phoning it in. This could change if we got a super elite quarterback but we haven't, have we?
Again, a short sighted view. ONLY the Packers and the Bears have more overall titles than the Browns. The Giants have the same number. When you take non-Browns teams from Northeast Ohio that also won, Cleveland/NEO and Green Bay are tied for most titles.
OK, you say that it is a "What have you done for me lately league"? Yes, perhaps it is. Then that is where my adage truly comes into play: "The only titles that count are the last one and the next one."
The Ravens have their current reign going for them. They wear the Crown. So be it. But everything else, from 1920 to 2011 is just history. And that is all. The New York Giants title won in 2011 does them no more good to who will win the next one than the Cleveland Browns title from 1950 does them.
Reputation won't win shit. Performance will.
And that is a fucking fact.
Again, a short sighted view. ONLY the Packers and the Bears have more overall titles than the Browns. The Giants have the same number. When you take non-Browns teams from Northeast Ohio that also won, Cleveland/NEO and Green Bay are tied for most titles.
OK, you say that it is a "What have you done for me lately league"? Yes, perhaps it is. Then that is where my adage truly comes into play: "The only titles that count are the last one and the next one."
The Ravens have their current reign going for them. They wear the Crown. So be it. But everything else, from 1920 to 2011 is just history. And that is all. The New York Giants title won in 2011 does them no more good to who will win the next one than the Cleveland Browns title from 1950 does them.
Reputation won't win shit. Performance will.
And that is a fucking fact.
No one cares about the 1950s titles except old Cleveland fans. No one remembers no ome cares. It's lost to antiquity like roosevelts radio broadcasts. All anyone except you and your ilk know is that the Browns have never even been to a super bowl and haven't won since before the AFL was folded into the league.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
One step closer to Bridgewater.
One step closer to Bridgewater.
I hate to tell ya' but you're probably sucking for Sanchez.
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It's just sad the way this team has ripped the heart and soul out of the greatest fans in the NFLs chest by their horrendous play. And as someone else has said, it's been this way since I was 18. It's amazing how a team can be this consistenly bad for nearly a decade and half.
It's just sad the way this team has ripped the heart and soul out of the greatest fans in the NFLs chest by their horrendous play. And as someone else has said, it's been this way since I was 18. It's amazing how a team can be this consistenly bad for nearly a decade and half.
It's funny to hear Browns fans say how bad the Browns have been "since they came back"...which is true, but the sad part is that they sucked before the move as well...In six seasons, from 1990 to 1995 the Browns have managed ...
3-13
6-10
7-9
7-9
11-5
5-11
...only 1 winning season. Thats 20 yrs of suck now.
The Browns merely picked up where they left off.
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It's just sad the way this team has ripped the heart and soul out of the greatest fans in the NFLs chest by their horrendous play. And as someone else has said, it's been this way since I was 18. It's amazing how a team can be this consistenly bad for nearly a decade and half.
It's funny to hear Browns fans say how bad the Browns have been "since they came back"...which is true, but the sad part is that they sucked before the move as well...In six seasons, from 1990 to 1995 the Browns have managed ...
3-13
6-10
7-9
7-9
11-5
5-11
...only 1 winning season. Thats 20 yrs of suck now.
The Browns merely picked up where they left off.
It's so funny to hear Browns fans say how bad the Browns have been "since they came back".
They sucked before the move folks...in six seasons, from 1990 to 1995 the Browns have managed ...
3-13
6-10
7-9
7-9
11-5
5-11
...only 1 winning season.
The Browns merely picked up where they left off.
A. Why did you go back "six" years an not 5, 7,8, or 10?
B. The Browns were 3-3 and coming off a playoff year when the move was announced and the team basically folded.
C. The last "non-move" year the Browns were in Cleveland, they were 11-5 and won a playoff game.
D. You are basically saying that Bill Belichick sucks.
Zombo
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Again, a short sighted view. ONLY the Packers and the Bears have more overall titles than the Browns. The Giants have the same number. When you take non-Browns teams from Northeast Ohio that also won, Cleveland/NEO and Green Bay are tied for most titles.
OK, you say that it is a "What have you done for me lately league"? Yes, perhaps it is. Then that is where my adage truly comes into play: "The only titles that count are the last one and the next one."
The Ravens have their current reign going for them. They wear the Crown. So be it. But everything else, from 1920 to 2011 is just history. And that is all. The New York Giants title won in 2011 does them no more good to who will win the next one than the Cleveland Browns title from 1950 does them.
Reputation won't win shit. Performance will.
And that is a fucking fact.
No one cares about the 1950s titles except old Cleveland fans. No one remembers no ome cares. It's lost to antiquity like roosevelts radio broadcasts. All anyone except you and your ilk know is that the Browns have never even been to a super bowl and haven't won since before the AFL was folded into the league.
No one cares about the 1950s titles except old Cleveland fans. No one remembers no ome cares. It's lost to antiquity like roosevelts radio broadcasts. All anyone except you and your ilk know is that the Browns have never even been to a super bowl and haven't won since before the AFL was folded into the league.
Then you're just reinforcing what Gip said- nothing matters except the last one, and the next one. What have you done for me lately? So if you're a Bears fan, you'd have to be at least 34 to remember when they won the Super Bowl Just about the same age to remember the Kosar years- when the Browns were pretty decent.
It's akin to our Steeler trolls contention the history of the NFL started in 1970, when- hard to believe- they stopped sucking,
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Again, a short sighted view. ONLY the Packers and the Bears have more overall titles than the Browns. The Giants have the same number. When you take non-Browns teams from Northeast Ohio that also won, Cleveland/NEO and Green Bay are tied for most titles.
OK, you say that it is a "What have you done for me lately league"? Yes, perhaps it is. Then that is where my adage truly comes into play: "The only titles that count are the last one and the next one."
The Ravens have their current reign going for them. They wear the Crown. So be it. But everything else, from 1920 to 2011 is just history. And that is all. The New York Giants title won in 2011 does them no more good to who will win the next one than the Cleveland Browns title from 1950 does them.
Reputation won't win shit. Performance will.
And that is a fucking fact.
No one cares about the 1950s titles except old Cleveland fans. No one remembers no ome cares. It's lost to antiquity like roosevelts radio broadcasts. All anyone except you and your ilk know is that the Browns have never even been to a super bowl and haven't won since before the AFL was folded into the league.
No one cares about the 1950s titles except old Cleveland fans. No one remembers no ome cares. It's lost to antiquity like roosevelts radio broadcasts. All anyone except you and your ilk know is that the Browns have never even been to a super bowl and haven't won since before the AFL was folded into the league.
Why would anyone care about a title that was won in 2011 any more than one that was won in 1950? That is as much lost to antiquity.
OK, so you say "All anyone except you knows....yada yada yada" is simply an admission of ignorance.
You CAN choose to be ignorant. Or you CAN choose to be informed.
Just don't be so stupid as to wear a badge that says "I am ignorant and I like it".
You know the old saying....better to shut your mouth and let people think you are stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
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It's just sad the way this team has ripped the heart and soul out of the greatest fans in the NFLs chest by their horrendous play. And as someone else has said, it's been this way since I was 18. It's amazing how a team can be this consistenly bad for nearly a decade and half.
It's funny to hear Browns fans say how bad the Browns have been "since they came back"...which is true, but the sad part is that they sucked before the move as well...In six seasons, from 1990 to 1995 the Browns have managed ...
3-13
6-10
7-9
7-9
11-5
5-11
...only 1 winning season. Thats 20 yrs of suck now.
The Browns merely picked up where they left off.
It's funny to hear Browns fans say how bad the Browns have been "since they came back"...which is true, but the sad part is that they sucked before the move as well...In six seasons, from 1990 to 1995 the Browns have managed ...
3-13
6-10
7-9
7-9
11-5
5-11
...only 1 winning season. Thats 20 yrs of now.
The Browns merely picked up where they left off when they returned.
Figure this: That is Belichick's legacy without a guy named Tom Brady.
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No one cares about the 1950s titles except old Cleveland fans. No one remembers no ome cares. It's lost to antiquity like roosevelts radio broadcasts. All anyone except you and your ilk know is that the Browns have never even been to a super bowl and haven't won since before the AFL was folded into the league.
Then you're just reinforcing what Gip said- nothing matters except the last one, and the next one. What have you done for me lately? So if you're a Bears fan, you'd have to be at least 34 to remember when they won the Super Bowl Just about the same age to remember the Kosar years- when the Browns were pretty decent.
It's akin to our Steeler trolls contention the history of the NFL started in 1970, when- hard to believe- they stopped sucking,
Then you're just reinforcing what Gip said- nothing matters except the last one, and the next one. What have you done for me lately? So if you're a Bears fan, you'd have to be at least 34 to remember when they won the Super Bowl Just about the same age to remember the Kosar years- when the Browns were pretty decent.
It's akin to our Steeler trolls contention the history of the NFL started in 1970, when- hard to believe- they stopped sucking,
I hear you my friend, but if it isn't a bit absurd to have to go back 50 years, I am sure you would have to agree it is getting close. Just saying, and you know I am not a Browns basher and I root for the team.
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It's funny to hear Browns fans say how bad the Browns have been "since they came back"...which is true, but the sad part is that they sucked before the move as well...In six seasons, from 1990 to 1995 the Browns have managed ...
3-13
6-10
7-9
7-9
11-5
5-11
...only 1 winning season. Thats 20 yrs of now.
The Browns merely picked up where they left off when they returned.
Figure this: That is Belichick's legacy without a guy named Tom Brady.
Figure this: That is Belichick's legacy without a guy named Tom Brady.
That will be Belichick's legacy after Brady too...
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No one cares about the 1950s titles except old Cleveland fans. No one remembers no ome cares. It's lost to antiquity like roosevelts radio broadcasts. All anyone except you and your ilk know is that the Browns have never even been to a super bowl and haven't won since before the AFL was folded into the league.
Why would anyone care about a title that was won in 2011 any more than one that was won in 1950? That is as much lost to antiquity.
OK, so you say "All anyone except you knows....yada yada yada" is simply an admission of ignorance.
You CAN choose to be ignorant. Or you CAN choose to be informed.
Just don't be so stupid as to wear a badge that says "I am ignorant and I like it".
You know the old saying....better to shut your mouth and let people think you are stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
Your homerism is making you act willfully stupid, gip. The AFL wasn't even folded into the league the last time the browns won. About a third of the modern teams didn't exist. It was before Woodstock. Am I getting through to you? My Dad was seven. Martin Luther king and Bobby Kennedy were still alive. The film only exists as grainy highlight clips. It was a completely different era and to try and tell a thirty three year old guy like me "hey the browns are the best team. They won the championship in Lyndon Johnson's first year as president" is absurd and disingenuous. Of course 2011 matters more in this day and age. Football in 1964 was nearly a different game.Why would anyone care about a title that was won in 2011 any more than one that was won in 1950? That is as much lost to antiquity.
OK, so you say "All anyone except you knows....yada yada yada" is simply an admission of ignorance.
You CAN choose to be ignorant. Or you CAN choose to be informed.
Just don't be so stupid as to wear a badge that says "I am ignorant and I like it".
You know the old saying....better to shut your mouth and let people think you are stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
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No one cares about the 1950s titles except old Cleveland fans. No one remembers no ome cares. It's lost to antiquity like roosevelts radio broadcasts. All anyone except you and your ilk know is that the Browns have never even been to a super bowl and haven't won since before the AFL was folded into the league.
Why would anyone care about a title that was won in 2011 any more than one that was won in 1950? That is as much lost to antiquity.
OK, so you say "All anyone except you knows....yada yada yada" is simply an admission of ignorance.
You CAN choose to be ignorant. Or you CAN choose to be informed.
Just don't be so stupid as to wear a badge that says "I am ignorant and I like it".
You know the old saying....better to shut your mouth and let people think you are stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
Why would anyone care about a title that was won in 2011 any more than one that was won in 1950?
Because even I was not alive in 1950???
Only reasons I know as much pre-60 Browns triva as I do are discussions with my Dad (who was born in 1925 and raised in Brooklyn, Ohio) and a couple good books including a Plain Dealer one on the history of Cleveland sports.
That will be Belichick's legacy after Brady too...
Ohhhh... I want some of that action.
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Your homerism is making you act willfully stupid, gip
that's no act
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Then you're just reinforcing what Gip said- nothing matters except the last one, and the next one. What have you done for me lately? So if you're a Bears fan, you'd have to be at least 34 to remember when they won the Super Bowl Just about the same age to remember the Kosar years- when the Browns were pretty decent.
It's akin to our Steeler trolls contention the history of the NFL started in 1970, when- hard to believe- they stopped sucking,
I hear you my friend, but if it isn't a bit absurd to have to go back 50 years, I am sure you would have to agree it is getting close. Just saying, and you know I am not a Browns basher and I root for the team.
I hear you my friend, but if it isn't a bit absurd to have to go back 50 years, I am sure you would have to agree it is getting close. Just saying, and you know I am not a Browns basher and I root for the team.
Yes it is absurd. That's not what I was pointing out. It was almost like- "well if I never saw it, it didn't happen".
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Again, a short sighted view. ONLY the Packers and the Bears have more overall titles than the Browns. The Giants have the same number. When you take non-Browns teams from Northeast Ohio that also won, Cleveland/NEO and Green Bay are tied for most titles.
OK, you say that it is a "What have you done for me lately league"? Yes, perhaps it is. Then that is where my adage truly comes into play: "The only titles that count are the last one and the next one."
The Ravens have their current reign going for them. They wear the Crown. So be it. But everything else, from 1920 to 2011 is just history. And that is all. The New York Giants title won in 2011 does them no more good to who will win the next one than the Cleveland Browns title from 1950 does them.
Reputation won't win shit. Performance will.
And that is a fucking fact.
No one cares about the 1950s titles except old Cleveland fans. No one remembers no ome cares. It's lost to antiquity like roosevelts radio broadcasts. All anyone except you and your ilk know is that the Browns have never even been to a super bowl and haven't won since before the AFL was folded into the league.
No one cares about the 1950s titles except old Cleveland fans. No one remembers no ome cares. It's lost to antiquity like roosevelts radio broadcasts. All anyone except you and your ilk know is that the Browns have never even been to a super bowl and haven't won since before the AFL was folded into the league.
dude, do us all a favor and become some other fan than a browns fan cuz you really suck at it.
only 'old' fans know of the browns greatness. well if you're young pick up a fucking book and read about it or even google it. WTF?
you and your everything we need to do is approach it for young fans. redo the unis, get redzone on the displays at the stadium, this that and the other.
sure it'd be great to have drafted point on since we came back, but we didn't. different coaching staffs etc. and now a new owner with his own new staff and (i guess) they are trying their hardest to turn things around. but you lay an egg with first 2 round picks every fucking year and we'll be worse than the jags.
but everyone is clammoring for a blaine gabbert jersey cuz they got cool colors and a cool looking logo.
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No one cares about the 1950s titles except old Cleveland fans. No one remembers no ome cares. It's lost to antiquity like roosevelts radio broadcasts. All anyone except you and your ilk know is that the Browns have never even been to a super bowl and haven't won since before the AFL was folded into the league.
dude, do us all a favor and become some other fan than a browns fan cuz you really suck at it.
only 'old' fans know of the browns greatness. well if you're young pick up a fucking book and read about it or even google it. WTF?
you and your everything we need to do is approach it for young fans. redo the unis, get redzone on the displays at the stadium, this that and the other.
sure it'd be great to have drafted point on since we came back, but we didn't. different coaching staffs etc. and now a new owner with his own new staff and (i guess) they are trying their hardest to turn things around. but you lay an egg with first 2 round picks every fucking year and we'll be worse than the jags.
but everyone is clammoring for a blaine gabbert jersey cuz they got cool colors and a cool looking logo.
dude, do us all a favor and become some other fan than a browns fan cuz you really suck at it.
only 'old' fans know of the browns greatness. well if you're young pick up a fucking book and read about it or even google it. WTF?
you and your everything we need to do is approach it for young fans. redo the unis, get redzone on the d isplays at the stadium, this that and the other.
sure it'd be great to have drafted point on since we came back, but we didn't. different coaching staffs etc. and now a new owner with his own new staff and (i guess) they are trying their hardest to turn things around. but you lay an egg with first 2 round picks every fucking year and we'll be worse than the jags.
but everyone is clammoring for a blaine gabbert jersey cuz they got cool colors and a cool looking logo.
Hey mik, affectionately, fuck yourself. Just because I hate the browns doesn't mean I'm rooting for a team from away. Rather than me leave, they have to get better.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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