Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Not seeing Leaf... more of the next Flutie, but with an attitude... or Tarkenton, if you go back that far.
Peter King reported that on Saturday the assistant GM for the Browns was at Texas A&M scouting Johnny Manziel. Now while he may be good at A&M I don't think Manziel is the only one we should be looking at. His counterpart also played a masterpiece of a game. A.J. McCarron is in a more pro ready system at Alabama. He's shown up in a lot of big games to include a BCS title game. He does not have the Heisman allure that Johnny Football has but; he looks like a winner to me. Thoughts?
Pretty much wrote the same thing in the other "scouting Manziel" thread...
Plus it's not too early to start scouting the Mathews boys...
Not seeing Leaf... more of the next Flutie, but with an attitude... or Tarkenton, if you go back that far.
Pretty much wrote the same thing in the other "scouting Manziel" thread...
Plus it's not too early to start scouting the Mathews boys...
Unfamiliar with the Mathews Boys. Could you fill me in? I saw the other thread after I posted this one. My bad. Point is IMO McCarron is the better pick out of the two. More Pro Ready and not a single character issue yet. Taj Boyd is another interesting pick but I'd take Alabama's competition and system as what gives McCarron a slight edge. Not really sold on Bridgewater either. While he may wind up being good. I'd much rather pull someone from a more competitive conference.
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Agree with you and it's not the first duplicate post ever made here...
The Mathews boys (there are two at A&M right now) are more branches of the Clay, Sr., Clay Jr. (our Mathews of yesteryear) and Bruce (the HOF great from the Oilers/ Titans) NFL Family tree. They started a graphic in Saturday's broadcast, but had to cut away from it before it showed the full lineage.
Bruce was perhaps the best O-lineman I have ever seen play due to being all-pro at two (or maybe three???) positions. I think there are both Bruce's kids:
75 Jake Matthews OL 6-5 305 Sr. 3L Missouri City, Texas (Elkins)
56 Mike Matthews OL 6-2 285 So. 1L Missouri City, Texas (Elkins)
Missouri City is SW of Houston. Elkins HS is a perenial powerhouse...
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Not seeing Leaf... more of the next Flutie, but with an attitude... or Tarkenton, if you go back that far.
Peter King reported that on Saturday the assistant GM for the Browns was at Texas A&M scouting Johnny Manziel. Now while he may be good at A&M I don't think Manziel is the only one we should be looking at. His counterpart also played a masterpiece of a game. A.J. McCarron is in a more pro ready system at Alabama. He's shown up in a lot of big games to include a BCS title game. He does not have the Heisman allure that Johnny Football has but; he looks like a winner to me. Thoughts?
Pretty much wrote the same thing in the other "scouting Manziel" thread...
Plus it's not too early to start scouting the Mathews boys...
Not seeing Leaf... more of the next Flutie, but with an attitude... or Tarkenton, if you go back that far.
Pretty much wrote the same thing in the other "scouting Manziel" thread...
Plus it's not too early to start scouting the Mathews boys...
I'm comparing Manziel to Leaf because he's already got all the questionable character issues, just like Leaf had at Washington State.
I think he's a punk with a very questionable attitude. Putting $50 million in his pocket isn't going to help that. He also just looks to be small.
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I want nothing to do with either of those guys with our first pick. My top 3 as of now...
1.Teddy Twatwater - Louisville
2. Brett Hundley - UCLA
3. Tahj Boyd - Clemson
Throw in Marcus Mariota, too. Guy is an athlete and could be huge in the league. He threw for 450 against Tennessee this weekend.XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I want nothing to do with either of those guys with our first pick. My top 3 as of now...
1.Teddy Twatwater - Louisville
2. Brett Hundley - UCLA
3. Tahj Boyd - Clemson
But maybe I'm a bit biased now because I saw him run train on my beloved UVA in person a week ago.
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Read this today but heard about it on the SNF pregame show last night.
As much as I want Weeden to succeed I don't believe the Front Office is going to stick with him next year. I do believe we will be drafting another QB this year. Drafting someone that our current Front Office wants, not someone who was a holdover from a previous regime.
The big name QBs that seem to be coming out are;
Teddy Twatwater
AJ McCarron
Tahj Boyd
Johnny Manziel
UCLA QB
Oregon QB
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The way things look the Browns and Jaguars will be neck and neck for that first pick
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The way Jacksonville has been going they are definitely going to be drafting a QB in 2014.
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They were there specifically for manziel
I am sure that was a part of it......McCarron is a darn good QB as well, not to mention about 15 other players on the field. Why wouldn't a team scout that game? I'll bet every team in the league had scouts in the seats or wherever they put scouts.
So sure, I am sure Johnny was a big part, as he is for every team in the NFL. Prove to me we sent guys there to watch Johnny and didn't go for any other reason.
Now...we may have a scout or two who we use specifically to scout QB's....again...why wouldn't they be there? You have 2 of the best on the field on the same day.
Now, if you can tell me we will only follow Johnny all season long, maybe you got something, but my feeling is we will have scouts out all season long going to college football games and practices. Those guys work Tuesday through Saturday. Hit a school or two for practice on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. Friday is send in reports and head to your Saturday assignment. Fly home Saturday night or Sunday morning for a couple of days with the family. Tuesday morning, fly out or drive out for a Tuesday afternoon practice at some school along the way to your next Saturday game scouting assignment.
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"I hope they were scouting Alabama- Manzel is a punk."
Maybe we need punk at QB. The guy plays a different game at a different level than anyone else. The scouts weren't there for McCarron
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"I hope they were scouting Alabama- Manzel is a punk."
Maybe we need punk at QB. The guy plays a different game at a different level than anyone else. The scouts weren't there for McCarron
"I hope they were scouting Alabama- Manzel is a punk."
Maybe we need punk at QB. The guy plays a different game at a different level than anyone else. The scouts weren't there for McCarron
The only negative to that is that if the guy is a punk in college, where the environment is somewhat controlled. What is going to happen when that same punk gets turned loose in the NFL with $50 million in the bank?
We've already covered that there are a lot of guys who are big stars in college who can't cut it at the next level. I'm afraid that a guy who is a punk like Manziel is going to flame out quickly because he doesn't have the work ethic or the mentality to be a quarterback in the NFL.
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McCarron was rattled after A&M took that early lead. Missed a few simple passes he should've easily made. He righted the ship but also had his running backs easily picking up 10 yards a pop, an oline that gave him all the time in the world, not to mention some huge running lanes, and he was going against an A&M defense that can hardly be considered a defense. Throw in the fact he's playing with the most talented team in college and I came away from the game wholy unimpressed. He's more likely to be in the mold of a Leinart or Sanchez then a productive NFL QB.
I'm still on the fence with Manziel but his "attitude" is the least of my concerns. An athlete talking shit on the field is only a problem if they don't back it up, something he's done quite well. Imagine people are offering you thousands of dollars to sign your name on a few pictures when your 21. There is no way in hell you're passing that up. You show me someone that wouldn't take that offer and I'll show you a liar. Now was it dumb? Of course but I've seen 21 year olds do much dumber things for much, much less incentive. Hell Reggie Bush took a lot less heat for committing a much worse "infraction" and he's kept out of trouble during his career, well unless you count the whole Kardshian (sp) thing.
Remember he's still a young man. Young men do stupid shit. He appears to come from a good family who knows how to handle large amounts of money. He'll be fine. I'm more concerned about his size due to his playing style. He's gotta learn to slide more and avoid the unnecessary hits. I'm not sure if he can do that though. His fearlessness on the field is what separates him. If he can find a happy medium he'll be great but it's tough to do.
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Haven't watched any tape on Manziel besides the highlight reels on ESPN but there is no doubt that he plays on another level. I'm not an advocate to draft him but look at what he has gotten into trouble for;
- Signing autographs for money, that won't be an issue in the NFL.
- Getting into a fight and having a fake drivers license, nothing you can do about the fight and he turns 21 in December so no worries about that.
- Oversleeping at the Manning Academy, a definite sign of lack of maturity but can be solved by having a personal assistant to make sure he goes where he needs to.
- Tweeting about wanting to get out of College Station, everyone gets in hot water about tweeting something.
If I'm forgetting something please add it in.
The point is most of these things are very minor but they add up. I would want Manziel to stay in school one more year and go a year without getting in any sort of trouble. That is the only way I would believe that he has changed and/or matured to the point where he would be worth drafting.
If he does declare for the draft this year, which I am sure he will, and he happens to fall to the 3rd round then I would okay with taking a chance on him. No way he falls out of the 2nd round though. Jacksonville, Oakland, Minnesota, Arizona, Tampa Bay, maybe Tennessee and maybe New York Jets would take him before he fell to the 3rd round.
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jezuz fucking god.
QB talk already after 2 games? you guys are completely fucking nutz!!
this franchise moved up to draft weeden (which i didn't like) in THE FIRST FUCKING ROUND!!!
no not the second. not the third. THE FIRST FUCKING ROUND!!
you really believe that they are just going to throw away this kid as if he was a bust? get real. if norv turner is sooooo fucking great, then shouldn't he be able to turn weeden around? if you look at the stats he played better than 1/2 the QBs (??) out there. i know he didn't throw 4 fucking interceptions. hell his #'s were better than flacco's.
the playcalling is starting to look suspect.......again. we get the big gain from the ball to cameron and basically go into shurmur mode.
better keep an eye on the coaches as well if you want to start calling for someone's head.............after 2 games.
laughable.
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They were there specifically for manziel
You are likely right but at the same time you are purely guessing.
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