TRICH traded to colts
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The trade will be bad for the Browns. I was listening to NFL radio and basically D'qwell, and Joe Thomas are upset about this trade. THey are both leaders on the team and you know the locker room is a buzz about it. TRich was well liked and players respected him for playing hurt. Another thing is Dmitiri Patterson has been saying he was cut not because of his play but because he was telling Browns players not to trust Banner. That Banner was a snake. What do you think players are thinking of Banner now? If a Free Agent wants to sign with the Browns you don't think they'll talk to players on the team? Or former Players?
Now as far as TRich's play is concerned, its comparable to other rookie rb's who had good careers. You can't judge a player on 18 gms. Especially a rb. Lets look at some numbers of other backs in first 18gms.
First TRich's numbers
Last year 267 att 950yrds 3.6ypc 11tds 51 rec 367yrds 1td
Emmit Smith
1990
241att 937yrds 3.9ypc 11td 24rec 228yrds 0tds1991 led NFL in rushing
Rickey WIlliams
1999
253att 884yrds 3.5ypc 2tds 28rec 172yrds 0tds2000 first 2 games: 44att 134yrds 3.04ypc 0tds
YPC for a HOF RB his first 3 season 4.1, 3.7, 3.0
That RB was Marshal Faulk
LaDamian Thomilson averaged less than 4.0 ypc in 5 seasons (no they werent all at the end of his career)
Jerome Bettis avg 3.9ypc for his career in 13 seasons he only went over 4.0ypc 4 times and he's a HOF
Walter Payton 1975
196att 679yrds 7tds 33rec 213yrds 0tdsfirst game of 1976 25att 70 yrds 2.8ypc
So you can't call Trich a bust. You can't judge him on 18 gms. You fit the system to the players not the other way around. TRich was making 2-3mill a yr so he wasn't hurting the bottom line. As far as not being versatile look at his receptions last year he had 51, look at the other rb's listed he had more receptions than any of them as a rookie except faulk had 52. Thomilson, Emmitt, and Rickey Williams all played under Turner before and Smith, and Williams running styles were similar to Trents. This trade was about Lombardi's and Banners ego. So without knowing how TRich will turn out and the trade causing strife with the players they made this trade. This will come back and bite the Browns.
The trade will be bad for the Browns. I was listening to NFL radio and basically D'qwell, and Joe Thomas are upset about this trade. THey are both leaders on the team and you know the locker room is a buzz about it. TRich was well liked and players respected him for playing hurt. Another thing is Dmitiri Patterson has been saying he was cut not because of his play but because he was telling Browns players not to trust Banner. That Banner was a snake. What do you think players are thinking of Banner now? If a Free Agent wants to sign with the Browns you don't think they'll talk to players on the team? Or former Players?
Now as far as TRich's play is concerned, its comparable to other rookie rb's who had good careers. You can't judge a player on 18 gms. Especially a rb. Lets look at some numbers of other backs in first 18gms.
First TRich's numbers
Last year 267 att 950yrds 3.6ypc 11tds 51 rec 367yrds 1td
Emmit Smith
1990
241att 937yrds 3.9ypc 11td 24rec 228yrds 0tds1991 led NFL in rushing
Rickey WIlliams
1999
253att 884yrds 3.5ypc 2tds 28rec 172yrds 0tds2000 first 2 games: 44att 134yrds 3.04ypc 0tds
YPC for a HOF RB his first 3 season 4.1, 3.7, 3.0
That RB was Marshal Faulk
LaDamian Thomilson averaged less than 4.0 ypc in 5 seasons (no they werent all at the end of his career)
Jerome Bettis avg 3.9ypc for his career in 13 seasons he only went over 4.0ypc 4 times and he's a HOF
Walter Payton 1975
196att 679yrds 7tds 33rec 213yrds 0tdsfirst game of 1976 25att 70 yrds 2.8ypc
So you can't call Trich a bust. You can't judge him on 18 gms. You fit the system to the players not the other way around. TRich was making 2-3mill a yr so he wasn't hurting the bottom line. As far as not being versatile look at his receptions last year he had 51, look at the other rb's listed he had more receptions than any of them as a rookie except faulk had 52. Thomilson, Emmitt, and Rickey Williams all played under Turner before and Smith, and Williams running styles were similar to Trents. This trade was about Lombardi's and Banners ego. So without knowing how TRich will turn out and the trade causing strife with the players they made this trade. This will come back and bite the Browns.
now that's the way to pop a cherry.
welcome to the browns board!!
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The trade will be bad for the Browns. I was listening to NFL radio and basically D'qwell, and Joe Thomas are upset about this trade. THey are both leaders on the team and you know the locker room is a buzz about it. TRich was well liked and players respected him for playing hurt. Another thing is Dmitiri Patterson has been saying he was cut not because of his play but because he was telling Browns players not to trust Banner. That Banner was a snake. What do you think players are thinking of Banner now? If a Free Agent wants to sign with the Browns you don't think they'll talk to players on the team? Or former Players?
Now as far as TRich's play is concerned, its comparable to other rookie rb's who had good careers. You can't judge a player on 18 gms. Especially a rb. Lets look at some numbers of other backs in first 18gms.
First TRich's numbers
Last year 267 att 950yrds 3.6ypc 11tds 51 rec 367yrds 1td
Emmit Smith
1990
241att 937yrds 3.9ypc 11td 24rec 228yrds 0tds1991 led NFL in rushing
Rickey WIlliams
1999
253att 884yrds 3.5ypc 2tds 28rec 172yrds 0tds2000 first 2 games: 44att 134yrds 3.04ypc 0tds
YPC for a HOF RB his first 3 season 4.1, 3.7, 3.0
That RB was Marshal Faulk
LaDamian Thomilson averaged less than 4.0 ypc in 5 seasons (no they werent all at the end of his career)
Jerome Bettis avg 3.9ypc for his career in 13 seasons he only went over 4.0ypc 4 times and he's a HOF
Walter Payton 1975
196att 679yrds 7tds 33rec 213yrds 0tdsfirst game of 1976 25att 70 yrds 2.8ypc
So you can't call Trich a bust. You can't judge him on 18 gms. You fit the system to the players not the other way around. TRich was making 2-3mill a yr so he wasn't hurting the bottom line. As far as not being versatile look at his receptions last year he had 51, look at the other rb's listed he had more receptions than any of them as a rookie except faulk had 52. Thomilson, Emmitt, and Rickey Williams all played under Turner before and Smith, and Williams running styles were similar to Trents. This trade was about Lombardi's and Banners ego. So without knowing how TRich will turn out and the trade causing strife with the players they made this trade. This will come back and bite the Browns.
The trade will be bad for the Browns. I was listening to NFL radio and basically D'qwell, and Joe Thomas are upset about this trade. THey are both leaders on the team and you know the locker room is a buzz about it. TRich was well liked and players respected him for playing hurt. Another thing is Dmitiri Patterson has been saying he was cut not because of his play but because he was telling Browns players not to trust Banner. That Banner was a snake. What do you think players are thinking of Banner now? If a Free Agent wants to sign with the Browns you don't think they'll talk to players on the team? Or former Players?
Now as far as TRich's play is concerned, its comparable to other rookie rb's who had good careers. You can't judge a player on 18 gms. Especially a rb. Lets look at some numbers of other backs in first 18gms.
First TRich's numbers
Last year 267 att 950yrds 3.6ypc 11tds 51 rec 367yrds 1td
Emmit Smith
1990
241att 937yrds 3.9ypc 11td 24rec 228yrds 0tds1991 led NFL in rushing
Rickey WIlliams
1999
253att 884yrds 3.5ypc 2tds 28rec 172yrds 0tds2000 first 2 games: 44att 134yrds 3.04ypc 0tds
YPC for a HOF RB his first 3 season 4.1, 3.7, 3.0
That RB was Marshal Faulk
LaDamian Thomilson averaged less than 4.0 ypc in 5 seasons (no they werent all at the end of his career)
Jerome Bettis avg 3.9ypc for his career in 13 seasons he only went over 4.0ypc 4 times and he's a HOF
Walter Payton 1975
196att 679yrds 7tds 33rec 213yrds 0tdsfirst game of 1976 25att 70 yrds 2.8ypc
So you can't call Trich a bust. You can't judge him on 18 gms. You fit the system to the players not the other way around. TRich was making 2-3mill a yr so he wasn't hurting the bottom line. As far as not being versatile look at his receptions last year he had 51, look at the other rb's listed he had more receptions than any of them as a rookie except faulk had 52. Thomilson, Emmitt, and Rickey Williams all played under Turner before and Smith, and Williams running styles were similar to Trents. This trade was about Lombardi's and Banners ego. So without knowing how TRich will turn out and the trade causing strife with the players they made this trade. This will come back and bite the Browns.
While i agree you can't call him a bust yet, I hate these comparisons of so and so started off bad and they became hall of famers. So everyone that starts of bad becomes a hall of famer (rhetorical, please don't answer)? Those comparisons are kaput!
Anyways, there's a reason Holmgren is not employed, HE SUCKS!!! There is never a shortage of bad teams needing a saviour/guru to come in and right the ship. The game has passed fatso Mike.
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I posted this on another T-Rich thread so it's probably been missed.
I think you all might want to see a few examples of our OL Run Blocking :
http://www.draftbrowns.com/2013/06/browns-film-room-trent-richardson/
Here, if this posts correctly you should see something interesting:
Followed by play result:
There is more analysis and pictures on the link.
alright in everybody's eyes now TR is/was a bum. i think the guys was class act. no not worth a #3 pick. no not a RB dynamo.
BUT in his defense, do you think this might be a miscommunication, a RB not getting the play call right?
i mean zombo could have made a yard in that hole.
alright in everybody's eyes now TR is/was a bum. i think the guys was class act. no not worth a #3 pick. no not a RB dynamo.
BUT in his defense, do you think this might be a miscommunication, a RB not getting the play call right?
i mean zombo could have made a yard in that hole.
I would have saw the hole, dove forward, got four yards, removed on a stretcher, never played again, and been one happy motherfucker the rest of my life!
Zombo.com
Zombo
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THIS FAT FUCK SET US BACK A DECADE. HIS HATING THE MOVE MAKES ME THINK IT WAS THE RIGHT CHOICE.
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can we go back in the archives and get some quotes from all you mofos when he was hired to what you are saying now?
hold on i'll be right back....................
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I knew showing the picture of fat ass in shades would set Mik off.
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can we go back in the archives and get some quotes from all you mofos when he was hired to what you are saying now?
hold on i'll be right back....................
can we go back in the archives and get some quotes from all you mofos when he was hired to what you are saying now?
hold on i'll be right back....................
We were wrong. He sucked. Let's leave it at that.
I liked Butch Davis when he came in too.
But results are results.
Zombo
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The trade will be bad for the Browns. I was listening to NFL radio and basically D'qwell, and Joe Thomas are upset about this trade. THey are both leaders on the team and you know the locker room is a buzz about it. TRich was well liked and players respected him for playing hurt. Another thing is Dmitiri Patterson has been saying he was cut not because of his play but because he was telling Browns players not to trust Banner. That Banner was a snake. What do you think players are thinking of Banner now? If a Free Agent wants to sign with the Browns you don't think they'll talk to players on the team? Or former Players?
Now as far as TRich's play is concerned, its comparable to other rookie rb's who had good careers. You can't judge a player on 18 gms. Especially a rb. Lets look at some numbers of other backs in first 18gms.
First TRich's numbers
Last year 267 att 950yrds 3.6ypc 11tds 51 rec 367yrds 1td
Emmit Smith
1990
241att 937yrds 3.9ypc 11td 24rec 228yrds 0tds1991 led NFL in rushing
Rickey WIlliams
1999
253att 884yrds 3.5ypc 2tds 28rec 172yrds 0tds2000 first 2 games: 44att 134yrds 3.04ypc 0tds
YPC for a HOF RB his first 3 season 4.1, 3.7, 3.0
That RB was Marshal Faulk
LaDamian Thomilson averaged less than 4.0 ypc in 5 seasons (no they werent all at the end of his career)
Jerome Bettis avg 3.9ypc for his career in 13 seasons he only went over 4.0ypc 4 times and he's a HOF
Walter Payton 1975
196att 679yrds 7tds 33rec 213yrds 0tdsfirst game of 1976 25att 70 yrds 2.8ypc
So you can't call Trich a bust. You can't judge him on 18 gms. You fit the system to the players not the other way around. TRich was making 2-3mill a yr so he wasn't hurting the bottom line. As far as not being versatile look at his receptions last year he had 51, look at the other rb's listed he had more receptions than any of them as a rookie except faulk had 52. Thomilson, Emmitt, and Rickey Williams all played under Turner before and Smith, and Williams running styles were similar to Trents. This trade was about Lombardi's and Banners ego. So without knowing how TRich will turn out and the trade causing strife with the players they made this trade. This will come back and bite the Browns.
The trade will be bad for the Browns. I was listening to NFL radio and basically D'qwell, and Joe Thomas are upset about this trade. THey are both leaders on the team and you know the locker room is a buzz about it. TRich was well liked and players respected him for playing hurt. Another thing is Dmitiri Patterson has been saying he was cut not because of his play but because he was telling Browns players not to trust Banner. That Banner was a snake. What do you think players are thinking of Banner now? If a Free Agent wants to sign with the Browns you don't think they'll talk to players on the team? Or former Players?
Now as far as TRich's play is concerned, its comparable to other rookie rb's who had good careers. You can't judge a player on 18 gms. Especially a rb. Lets look at some numbers of other backs in first 18gms.
First TRich's numbers
Last year 267 att 950yrds 3.6ypc 11tds 51 rec 367yrds 1td
Emmit Smith
1990
241att 937yrds 3.9ypc 11td 24rec 228yrds 0tds1991 led NFL in rushing
Rickey WIlliams
1999
253att 884yrds 3.5ypc 2tds 28rec 172yrds 0tds2000 first 2 games: 44att 134yrds 3.04ypc 0tds
YPC for a HOF RB his first 3 season 4.1, 3.7, 3.0
That RB was Marshal Faulk
LaDamian Thomilson averaged less than 4.0 ypc in 5 seasons (no they werent all at the end of his career)
Jerome Bettis avg 3.9ypc for his career in 13 seasons he only went over 4.0ypc 4 times and he's a HOF
Walter Payton 1975
196att 679yrds 7tds 33rec 213yrds 0tdsfirst game of 1976 25att 70 yrds 2.8ypc
So you can't call Trich a bust. You can't judge him on 18 gms. You fit the system to the players not the other way around. TRich was making 2-3mill a yr so he wasn't hurting the bottom line. As far as not being versatile look at his receptions last year he had 51, look at the other rb's listed he had more receptions than any of them as a rookie except faulk had 52. Thomilson, Emmitt, and Rickey Williams all played under Turner before and Smith, and Williams running styles were similar to Trents. This trade was about Lombardi's and Banners ego. So without knowing how TRich will turn out and the trade causing strife with the players they made this trade. This will come back and bite the Browns.
From a fellow new user, I have to say your stats obscure the fact that the NFL is a VASTLY different league in 2013. Running backs no longer have 300 carries a year to prove themselves. If a rookie RB doesn't show explosiveness or a special dynamic in the passing game, they're generally not going to get those 30 carries a game to "pound out" 100 yards. Not when passing is emphasized to such an extent. I mean, look at the year that we played Woody Hayes football with Peyton Hillis. I didn't see too many teams go draft a 260 lb running back and hand it to him 35 times a game the next year, in fact the Browns completely went away from that offense the next year.
Richardson may turn out well with a better line and a better QB, but he's NOT going to be a 300 carry back on a team that has Andrew Luck as it's focal point on offense. If he isn't a hit right away, he's going to end up getting 18 carries a game just like he did here.
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alright in everybody's eyes now TR is/was a bum. i think the guys was class act. no not worth a #3 pick. no not a RB dynamo.
BUT in his defense, do you think this might be a miscommunication, a RB not getting the play call right?
i mean zombo could have made a yard in that hole.
I would have saw the hole, dove forward, got four yards, removed on a stretcher, never played again, and been one happy motherfucker the rest of my life!
Zombo.com
Zombo
Zombo said:
I would have saw the hole, dove forward, got four yards, removed on a stretcher, never played again, and been one happy motherfucker the rest of my life!
Zombo.com
Zombo
T.G. Zombo - RB, CLE
First Down Completion - 100%
Yards Per Carry - 4.3
Career Fumbles - 0
Career Drops - 0
Blocking Assignments Missed - 0
Get that gold jacket fitted my friend
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The comparrisons were just to show the data on TRich is incomplete. I see a lot of people on here saying Richardson was a bust and not elite. That has not been determined. Look at AP last year he carried the Vikings to the playoffs. The AFC North you have to play good defense and run the ball. In Nov and Dec playing outdoors you need a rb. Lombardi has veen saying Hoyer is great before he was Browns GM. He hated the trade up to get Richardson. He made this move because of ego. Fiscally it doesnt make sense. Lions are paying Bush 5mill a yr as a fa rb. So thats kind of the bar for next year fa rbs. Trich was making less than that. This trade doesnt ensure you get your qb next year. If the Browns draft a qb in 2nd or 3rd rd next year does this trade still make sense? The bigger issue is what does this message say to the other players? They already had pattersob saying dont trust Banner. If you play hurt we'll trade you. If you complain about getting the ball and sticking to the ganeplan we'll trade you. You think they trust Banner now? If the fo, coaches lose the team 2 games in your in trouble.
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I don't think the trade will have any impact on the Browns. This is a passing league now. Rushing improves if they are always keying on the QB throwing the ball.
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I also believe they never planned to let Weeden start this year. The plan was to let Hoyer start all along. Two things can happen. Hoyer plays good and they decide they dont need to draft a franchise qb next year. Which makes the TRich trade pointless, or Hoyer is bad and they have to backtrack and name Weeden the starter again.
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It may not have an impact based on Trich producing, but i think its going to have an impact on the locker room. Players will lose trust in the fo and coaches. Especially if the losses keep piling up and if Richardson is succesful in Indy
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THIS FAT FUCK SET US BACK A DECADE. HIS HATING THE MOVE MAKES ME THINK IT WAS THE RIGHT CHOICE.
THIS FAT FUCK SET US BACK A DECADE. HIS HATING THE MOVE MAKES ME THINK IT WAS THE RIGHT CHOICE.
I can see why you would think that, and I'm inclined to agree with you in regards to fatso! At any rate, I wouldn't say a decade! With the right personnel in the front office, and the way the NFL is set up, teams can and do go from worst to first relatively quicky. What remains to be seen is do we in fact have the right personnel this time? Time will tell. Though I wasn't a fan of bringing in Lombardi.
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Holmgren is an asshat who took $40 million from Lerner and left us with no quarterback. If we had a quarterback, we wouldn't have had to trade our running back.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Holmgren is an asshat who took $40 million from Lerner and left us with no quarterback. If we had a quarterback, we wouldn't have had to trade our running back.
Zombo
Holmgren should have stuck with what he does best, and that was coaching! I mean seriously, didn't Seattle strip him of his executive duties because he sucked as a GM?
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They are doing real good.....if you want a team that is in a perpetual rebuild mode. Hell, in that they are the best. I.m tired of watching for draft day and want to see some competitive football games.Only 2 more years and we get a new GM and coach....?
exacatatctly.
banner on mike and mike right now is dodging all bullets to answer the exact question of WHY the trade was made.
"i just spoke to a few players." "the emotion on the trade we really appreciate from the fans."
WHO THE FUCK IS RYAN GRIEGSON? and why does he have so much pull to tell banner how the team should be structured?
"i watched every play of the eagles play last night as was very impressed with the way they honored donovan mcnabb and andy reid."
hey joe how'd that work out for ya?
tell me you're gonna draft a read option QB and run that offense thru turner. tell me the coaches you hired won't jump ship as fast as possible. yeah RG3 and mike vick are lighting it up....in the turnover ratios.
how about a pocket passer game manager like we passed on like like alex smith (no i'm not saying we should have done everything to get him etc. just saying another dumb non-action, like with a CB). we tradede away a #3 pick. will we look at josh freeman this offseason if weeds doesn't work out? or how about we trade away mack and thomas for him? it's about the value we got for TR.
exacatatctly.
banner on mike and mike right now is dodging all bullets to answer the exact question of WHY the trade was made.
"i just spoke to a few players." "the emotion on the trade we really appreciate from the fans."
WHO THE FUCK IS RYAN GRIEGSON? and why does he have so much pull to tell banner how the team should be structured?
"i watched every play of the eagles play last night as was very impressed with the way they honored donovan mcnabb and andy reid."
hey joe how'd that work out for ya?
tell me you're gonna draft a read option QB and run that offense thru turner. tell me the coaches you hired won't jump ship as fast as possible. yeah RG3 and mike vick are lighting it up....in the turnover ratios.
how about a pocket passer game manager like we passed on like like alex smith (no i'm not saying we should have done everything to get him etc. just saying another dumb non-action, like with a CB). we tradede away a #3 pick. will we look at josh freeman this offseason if weeds doesn't work out? or how about we trade away mack and thomas for him? it's about the value we got for TR.
What kind of sig pic is that? You've already established you're old. You live in your moms basement, don't you.
shake the dust off your sack and nut up, quit crying. It is what it is. I don't like it either but let's try to find some positives, some tiny speck of hope that they will pull through and build us the franchise the way it should be.
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Under...
And as a bonus I'll say McGahee will out gain TR Sunday...
Under for TR easily new system to try to learn in 2 days against a tough SF d, but I don't think McGahee will do better this week if he does it will be a more b/c the browns don't have a second rb such as the colts still have Bradshaw
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I agree that Holmgren wasnt the right hire at the time. I feel the same way about Lombardi, Banner, and Chud. As far as the 10 year thing that isnt true. In reality the 3yrs to build a team doesnt really apply anymore either. If they thought Richardson wasnt the guy. Why not draft a rb this year? Also on NFL radio yesterday they said T-Rich founded out he was traded from a friend than confirmed it by listening to the radio. Things like that dont sit well with players. Especially after Patterson was telling them they cant trust Banner.
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