Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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It's gonna be tough to beat them out. They're epically bad. But maybe Gabbert comes back and looks as good as he did in the preseason, which was good, and they're out of the race. I think Oakland is getting pretty enamored with Pryor. Not a ton of teams looking for a quarterback. Even the Broncos already have Osweiler learning behind The Greatest.
Eagles and Vikings, perhaps. If Vick doesn't find his groove, I could see Chip doing whatever it takes to get to Mariota (whom he coached) or Boyd (who he really wanted to coach). The Vikings could well be looking. Obviously the Jags are a possibility.
But really, I think that's it at the top of the draft. I mean, I could see the Cardinals drafting Fales in two or something to groom behind Palmer but they won't go top five or anything.
If Bridgewater, Mariota, Hundley, Boyd, and Manziel are all in this draft, you struggle to find landing spots for them. Either the Jags or somebody they trade with will take Bridgewater at #1... then it's kind of a buyer's market. Good reason for Mariota or Hundley to play another year?
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Vikings will definitely draft a QB if they arent the buyers on Freeman. You may also see the Bucs in there if Glennon doesn't show some promise. Its hard to say on the Eagles, Vicks getting older but can still make plays, they just drafted Barkley and they have Foles. The Raiders just drafted Wilson to put behind Pryor. I could see the Cardinals, Rams, Titans, Chargers, and hell maybe even the Texans getting in on the action as well.
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Ponder has a lot of time left this season. I'm not convinced he's toast yet. The Vikings make sense for Freeman... but they also have Cassel. Agree on Bucs. Eagles we'll agree to disagree: In the end, Kelly wants a RO QB and Foles will be a nice trade chip in the offseason.
Remember I said this: When the dust clears, Mallett may be elsewhere and Foles may be Brady's true heir apparent. He fits really well and I like that kid as a quarterback. He may time in the high 4s (if not 5) but he's a good athlete, was a great b-bal player, and he can move around WAY better than Brady. Good kid, Patriot type of guy.
I like Matt Barkley but I think his physical skill set will limit him to a Cassel-like career (as opposed to Drew Brees, who he looks like on the field when you squint a little). Assuming Vick continues to be Vick (a turnover machine with an IQ in the 80s), I could see Chip getting one of his guys. It's more likely to be Tajh Boyd in their draft slot... and I really don't think Mariota will come out. His completion percentage is pretty bad this year and that's the kiss of death for scouts.
The guys the Browns might get access to are Hundley and Manziel. I could see us trading up to 4 or 5 to get Hundley. He's basically a less experienced (but faster) Bridgewater.
But now I'm kind of into this whole Hoyer thing. Just for fun.
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Agreed. I'm lovin the Hoyer hype, great story for a seemingly wasted season.....but for all we know that could come to an abrupt end in about 50 hours....definitely rooting for the guy. My QB wishlist in order right now is Bridgewater, Hundley, Boyd, Mariota, Manziel, Fales, Carr then Manziel. I want no part of Johnny Football as I see him being a giant bust and as much of a distraction as Tebow. What will be really crappy for the Browns is when all these underclassmen that make the class look great (Manziel, Hundley, Mariota) decide to go back to school then Bridgewater is taken 1st overall.
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Vikings will definitely draft a QB if they arent the buyers on Freeman. You may also see the Bucs in there if Glennon doesn't show some promise. Its hard to say on the Eagles, Vicks getting older but can still make plays, they just drafted Barkley and they have Foles. The Raiders just drafted Wilson to put behind Pryor. I could see the Cardinals, Rams, Titans, Chargers, and hell maybe even the Texans getting in on the action as well.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Vikings will definitely draft a QB if they arent the buyers on Freeman. You may also see the Bucs in there if Glennon doesn't show some promise. Its hard to say on the Eagles, Vicks getting older but can still make plays, they just drafted Barkley and they have Foles. The Raiders just drafted Wilson to put behind Pryor. I could see the Cardinals, Rams, Titans, Chargers, and hell maybe even the Texans getting in on the action as well.
Oakland cut Tyler Wilson a while back.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Vikings will definitely draft a QB if they arent the buyers on Freeman. You may also see the Bucs in there if Glennon doesn't show some promise. Its hard to say on the Eagles, Vicks getting older but can still make plays, they just drafted Barkley and they have Foles. The Raiders just drafted Wilson to put behind Pryor. I could see the Cardinals, Rams, Titans, Chargers, and hell maybe even the Texans getting in on the action as well.
Oakland cut Tyler Wilson a while back.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I definitely missed this, turns out he was cut, went through waivers and was re-signed to the Raiders practice squad.
Yeah, it wasn't exactly headline news. I was wondering why it was just a two-way camp battle between Pryor and Flynn for the starting job, why Wilson wasn't involved, so checked it out.
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Manziel's definitely coming out. I kinda think Hundley will because he'll get a top 10 grade and doesn't really have a chance to "go back to win it all" at UCLA. But I do think Mariota will stay in because he has to get that completion percentage up to 65 or it's gonna drop him a bit. An athletic QB who completes in the 50s kinda scares scouts.
I was looking at Hoyer's college stats. He had that really promising junior year and then sucked ass as a senior. Wonder if he was on a really bad team.
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Manziel's definitely coming out. I kinda think Hundley will because he'll get a top 10 grade and doesn't really have a chance to "go back to win it all" at UCLA. But I do think Mariota will stay in because he has to get that completion percentage up to 65 or it's gonna drop him a bit. An athletic QB who completes in the 50s kinda scares scouts.
I was looking at Hoyer's college stats. He had that really promising junior year and then sucked ass as a senior. Wonder if he was on a really bad team.
Manziel's definitely coming out. I kinda think Hundley will because he'll get a top 10 grade and doesn't really have a chance to "go back to win it all" at UCLA. But I do think Mariota will stay in because he has to get that completion percentage up to 65 or it's gonna drop him a bit. An athletic QB who completes in the 50s kinda scares scouts.
I was looking at Hoyer's college stats. He had that really promising junior year and then sucked ass as a senior. Wonder if he was on a really bad team.
No way Manziel stays in college, but probably because he just wants the money. He just screams Ryan Leaf, talented though he may be, I'd be very scared if we took him.
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Let me hold on to the best-case scenario, at least until next Thursday. Hoyer proves to be the man. So with two picks between 14-24 we get a WR (Texas A&M - Evans) and a CB (1 of the 2 Fla. guys - the guy least likely to have legal problems). We draft Hogan or McCarron in round 2-3. With the exception of a blocking TE/H-back/FB and a safety, the rest of our draft is building the OL. I'm hoping with Lewis back, Rainey and a FA plugger (or real best-case, Tate), we don't need to draft a RB unless our board really says so in rounds 4-7.
Hoyer's the starter for 2014. (Over-simplifying) Division champ/postseason - Hoyer continues as the starter for 2015, 8-8, 9-7 - QB competition for preseason 2015, Hoyer craps out - Hogan/McCarron is the starter after a redshirt year.
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Hoyer being great would be mana from Heaven. We'll see. I'd agree that the needs are WR, right-side blocker, RB, CB... I think that's it. Team really wanted Vance McDonald so they might want a second TE for 12 formations.
But holy crap, we could easily end up with like 5 picks in the first two rounds with just a little maneuvering and we're almost compelled to sign 3-4 top shelf free agents (by the CBA and the fact that we have more cap than anybody else as of today). You're talking about 9 REALLY meaningful additions in one offseason, guys who should start or at least contribute.
Assuming Gordon continues to greatness, we'll be looking for a starting #2 WR so I doubt that's gonna be a first round thing. I could be wrong.
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Wow, do I disagree with you on Bridgewater. Not sure what you're talking about. He's missing basically nothing.
Wow, do I disagree with you on Bridgewater. Not sure what you're talking about. He's missing basically nothing.
His release point is a little low and he's not the tallest QB so that may be a problem. He's releasing the ball at or below his ear on most throws.
But hey, that's coachable.
His release is still very quick. He still has good eyes and feet. He still puts up video game numbers (albeit against lesser competition).
I think it's on record that I have a giant draft boner for this guy.
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Wow, do I disagree with you on Bridgewater. Not sure what you're talking about. He's missing basically nothing.
Wow, do I disagree with you on Bridgewater. Not sure what you're talking about. He's missing basically nothing.
His release point is a little low and he's not the tallest QB so that may be a problem. He's releasing the ball at or below his ear on most throws.
But hey, that's coachable.
His release is still very quick. He still has good eyes and feet. He still puts up video game numbers (albeit against lesser competition).
I think it's on record that I have a giant draft boner for this guy.
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Man, if Hoyer could become a legitimate starting QB, we would be set to win big next year. Can you imagine, a top QB, with a combination of Lewis and Ben Tate in the backfield, with Gordon, Cameron, and probably 3-4 of our 1st-3rd round picks going on offense? Pick up another WR, play with Gordon, Cameron, Bess, WR2. Benjamin moves to basically exclusively kick returns and specific plays involving him. Then we get a top guard (or two?) for the O-Line - assuming schwartz picks up and plays like he did in the second half of last year. Then we get what is basically a luxury pick to spend on someone that could be really explosive, like a Tavon Austin or Geovanni Bernard from this year. You get a CB2 with on of those defense picks, skrine moves to the nickel, maybe we pick up a safety, if Gipson doesn't work out or Ward gets cut.
It all starts with Hoyer (or someone) proving they can be a quality QB.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I definitely missed this, turns out he was cut, went through waivers and was re-signed to the Raiders practice squad.
Yeah, it wasn't exactly headline news. I was wondering why it was just a two-way camp battle between Pryor and Flynn for the starting job, why Wilson wasn't involved, so checked it out.
Man I was really high on Wilson for the 2012 draft before he decided to finish school. After his ababysmal 2012 season I was still high on him as a sleeper pick because of the coaching situation at arkansas and the crap oline he had. I woulda bet 100 bucks he was gonna end up the starter before the season eas over out there in Oakland.....wonder what's up with him, does he have small hands or something?Yeah, it wasn't exactly headline news. I was wondering why it was just a two-way camp battle between Pryor and Flynn for the starting job, why Wilson wasn't involved, so checked it out.
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Man, if Hoyer could become a legitimate starting QB, we would be set to win big next year. Can you imagine, a top QB, with a combination of Lewis and Ben Tate in the backfield, with Gordon, Cameron, and probably 3-4 of our 1st-3rd round picks going on offense? Pick up another WR, play with Gordon, Cameron, Bess, WR2. Benjamin moves to basically exclusively kick returns and specific plays involving him. Then we get a top guard (or two?) for the O-Line - assuming schwartz picks up and plays like he did in the second half of last year. Then we get what is basically a luxury pick to spend on someone that could be really explosive, like a Tavon Austin or Geovanni Bernard from this year. You get a CB2 with on of those defense picks, skrine moves to the nickel, maybe we pick up a safety, if Gipson doesn't work out or Ward gets cut.
It all starts with Hoyer (or someone) proving they can be a quality QB.
Hakeem Nicks and Jeremy Maclin are set to be free agents and may actually hit the market due to injury concerns. And even if Hoyer has a decent year we should still take a QB in the second round or later. If that's the case we should go CB-OLine with our first rounders.Man, if Hoyer could become a legitimate starting QB, we would be set to win big next year. Can you imagine, a top QB, with a combination of Lewis and Ben Tate in the backfield, with Gordon, Cameron, and probably 3-4 of our 1st-3rd round picks going on offense? Pick up another WR, play with Gordon, Cameron, Bess, WR2. Benjamin moves to basically exclusively kick returns and specific plays involving him. Then we get a top guard (or two?) for the O-Line - assuming schwartz picks up and plays like he did in the second half of last year. Then we get what is basically a luxury pick to spend on someone that could be really explosive, like a Tavon Austin or Geovanni Bernard from this year. You get a CB2 with on of those defense picks, skrine moves to the nickel, maybe we pick up a safety, if Gipson doesn't work out or Ward gets cut.
It all starts with Hoyer (or someone) proving they can be a quality QB.
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Man I was really high on Wilson for the 2012 draft before he decided to finish school. After his ababysmal 2012 season I was still high on him as a sleeper pick because of the coaching situation at arkansas and the crap oline he had. I woulda bet 100 bucks he was gonna end up the starter before the season eas over out there in Oakland.....wonder what's up with him, does he have small hands or something?Yeah, it wasn't exactly headline news. I was wondering why it was just a two-way camp battle between Pryor and Flynn for the starting job, why Wilson wasn't involved, so checked it out.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Man I was really high on Wilson for the 2012 draft before he decided to finish school. After his ababysmal 2012 season I was still high on him as a sleeper pick because of the coaching situation at arkansas and the crap oline he had. I woulda bet 100 bucks he was gonna end up the starter before the season eas over out there in Oakland.....wonder what's up with him, does he have small hands or something?
I think the knock was that he was really struggling to pick up the offense, but I don't remember now...
Found a lengthy-ish article about it:
Once training camp opened in August, every bad habit Wilson developed at Arkansas returned and then some. He struggled picking up the offense. Wilson was more accurate throwing to defenders than receivers. He quickly fell to fourth on the depth chart behind Flynn, Pryor and undrafted free agent Matt McGloin.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1760633-why-does-nobody-seem-to-want-tyler-wilson
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This team needs playmakers WAY more than a 2nd corner!! Yes, we need a 2nd corner but not in the first round.
We should've signed one of the free agents. I'd get a priority free agent there or use a 2nd round pick. It's just SO rare to find a team that drafted both of their corners in round one, mostly because they aren't allowed to cover.
Hell, I'd draft a RG before a #2 corner. Or a RT and move Schwartz in.
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This team needs playmakers WAY more than a 2nd corner!! Yes, we need a 2nd corner but not in the first round.
We should've signed one of the free agents. I'd get a priority free agent there or use a 2nd round pick. It's just SO rare to find a team that drafted both of their corners in round one, mostly because they aren't allowed to cover.
Hell, I'd draft a RG before a #2 corner. Or a RT and move Schwartz in.
This team needs playmakers WAY more than a 2nd corner!! Yes, we need a 2nd corner but not in the first round.
We should've signed one of the free agents. I'd get a priority free agent there or use a 2nd round pick. It's just SO rare to find a team that drafted both of their corners in round one, mostly because they aren't allowed to cover.
Hell, I'd draft a RG before a #2 corner. Or a RT and move Schwartz in.
I'd love to see one more playmaker on the team - with Cameron and Gordon, we're almost set. A solid running game with those two and A.N. Other and we are looking hot.
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