Do We Take QB #1 If Hoyer Goes 8-8?
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What record does Hoyer have to go (because he will be starting for the rest of season) for you to draft a QB with the first pick?
This always happens though, we are destined for a bad season, get a qb in there, usually a back up, that tears it up, think we have soneone special, then sucks ever year after and we lose out on drafting a franchise QB.
What record does Hoyer have to go (because he will be starting for the rest of season) for you to draft a QB with the first pick?
This always happens though, we are destined for a bad season, get a qb in there, usually a back up, that tears it up, think we have soneone special, then sucks ever year after and we lose out on drafting a franchise QB.
Yes, the question is legitimate, but then you had to add the negative shit... which I'll ignore...
It depends on:
- what role Hoyer plays in getting us to whatever our final record ends up being... I'm still stricking with my 6 - 10 projection for now... and his continued starting is still not a given...
- the final draft order, us and Indy... who is looking better than I thought they would...
- the QBs I love and the ones I like...
The key is if I love/ like a QB that is there when my next pick is up and I do not believe he will be there when my following pick occurs... then I take him.
It matters not when what round the to which you apply the above.. 1st... 5th... 7th...
but in the 1st you better be drafting your eventual starter.
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What record does Hoyer have to go (because he will be starting for the rest of season) for you to draft a QB with the first pick?
This always happens though, we are destined for a bad season, get a qb in there, usually a back up, that tears it up, think we have soneone special, then sucks ever year after and we lose out on drafting a franchise QB.
What record does Hoyer have to go (because he will be starting for the rest of season) for you to draft a QB with the first pick?
This always happens though, we are destined for a bad season, get a qb in there, usually a back up, that tears it up, think we have soneone special, then sucks ever year after and we lose out on drafting a franchise QB.
If Hoyer keeps playing this well, I'd say he's earned the starting QB position for next year. Better to focus on shoring up other parts of the offense: OL, WR, RB first, and any remaining holes on defense second. I'd say it also comes down trying to evaluate the draft class for the year after next.
If Hoyer plays well for the rest of the year, and the 2015 draft class looks like it will be deep at QB, then I'd skip drafting a QB for 2014. If Hoyer doesn't pan out for the rest of the season (but I think he will), or if he does pan out but the 2015 draft class doesn't look like it will be deep at QB, I'd draft a QB in 2014, let him sit and learn behind Hoyer. If you end up with two good QBs, that's a nice problem to have, maybe get you some nice draft picks in a trade for one of them.
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I would definitely draft a QB in 3rd or 4th round next year if we don't go for one in the 1st. Kirk Cousins and Nick Foles-caliber QB's would be nice assets.
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Depends on what he looks like. He could have a Derek Anderson year where he shows some flashes and has some huge mishaps. If that's the case definitely take one. With the way our defense is looking, I dont think it's inconceivable to go 8-8 and Hoyer have only a mediocre at best year. I can't even pretend to know how to evaluate a QB correctly, and I didnt catch the game last week, but he seemed poised, quick in his decision making and make the correct reads.
The Bengals are no slouch of a defense either, even with Leon Hall out. Reggie Nelson I dont think is a huge improvement over Taylor Mays either, so I'm not gonna say he was a big missing part. They got one of the toughest and quickest DL we will see all season, and they had a respectable but not spectacular 3 sacks today.
Time will tell, but I dont know if we take a QB #1 if Hoyer goes 8-8, but regardless I think we will take one sometime.
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If Hoyer keeps playing like a top third NFL quarterback why in the world would you waste a number one pick on a crap shoot? Maybe if there were a Terry Bradshaw or an Andrew Luck or a Joe Namath or a John Elway sitting there but to toss a couple first round picks away on a Teddy Twatwater??? Come on.
Face it, if they do take a quarterback with the first pick then whoever we have now will be gone soon. You don't purchase a first round quarterback to back up your current starter.
Trade down and get a few other needs taken care of. You can probably get the best guard in the draft in the second round.
Unless, of course, Hoyer turns out to really suck. But then we just committed to a quarterback that, even if he does suck, we are stuck with for at least two or three seasons.
WSS
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If Hoyer keeps playing like a top third NFL quarterback why in the world would you waste a number one pick on a crap shoot? Maybe if there were a Terry Bradshaw or an Andrew Luck or a Joe Namath or a John Elway sitting there but to toss a couple first round picks away on a Teddy Twatwater??? Come on.
Face it, if they do take a quarterback with the first pick then whoever we have now will be gone soon. You don't purchase a first round quarterback to back up your current starter.
Trade down and get a few other needs taken care of. You can probably get the best guard in the draft in the second round.
Unless, of course, Hoyer turns out to really suck. But then we just committed to a quarterback that, even if he does suck, we are stuck with for at least two or three seasons.
WSS
If Hoyer keeps playing like a top third NFL quarterback why in the world would you waste a number one pick on a crap shoot? Maybe if there were a Terry Bradshaw or an Andrew Luck or a Joe Namath or a John Elway sitting there but to toss a couple first round picks away on a Teddy Twatwater??? Come on.
Face it, if they do take a quarterback with the first pick then whoever we have now will be gone soon. You don't purchase a first round quarterback to back up your current starter.
WSS
I agree with you Steve however,I can a see a scenario where Hoyer continues to do well and you bring the new QB along much in the way Aaron Rodgers sat behind Favre for 3 years and you continue to stock pile the team in vital areas...
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Nickers how old was Brett Favre when they brought in Aaron Rodgers?
Hoyer isn't exactly a crafty old veteran with a few years left on the clock...
WSS
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Nickers how old was Brett Favre when they brought in Aaron Rodgers?
Hoyer isn't exactly a crafty old veteran with a few years left on the clock...
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Nickers how old was Brett Favre when they brought in Aaron Rodgers?
Hoyer isn't exactly a crafty old veteran with a few years left on the clock...
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I get what your saying bro...I'm just saying it's not out of the realm of possibility...not that I agree totally with that scenario..Id rather that Hoyer progressed as he seems to be doing...and negate the need to waste picks for a QB that has no guarantee of being succsesful
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I feel silly for participating in this, especially coming off the Cinci Win.
The Buckeye homer in me thinks we could pick up Kenny Guyton (sp) as a late round pick UDFA and he would be worlds better than Weeden.
While I am participating in this silliness, I will engage in conspiracy. As long as the Browns keep winning, and/or Hoyer keeps looking good I think Weeden will remain injured. Even if he comes back he should sit behind Hoyer.
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The record shouldn't really matter for Hoyer, our defense is good enough to keep us in the game, what really matters is how he looks the rest of the season. Next yrs QB draft has a lot of potential both in terms of talent and depth, if Hoyer continues to play at the level he has been(or better) I would suggest using our first round picks on WR and O-line, 2nd rd best RB or, CB, available 3rd round whatever you didn't take in the 2nd and QB, if he doesn't and they decide to go QB early then just switch the QB with my O-line pick.
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Make an offer to the Skins for Kirk Cousins.
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While its is only been 2 games I think Hoyer is going to do nothing but get better as he keeps getting more reps with the starters. What its going to come down to is how well he throws the ball in late November and December.
"You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978 -
Mayyyyyyyybe....Weeds will see how Hoyer sees the field, and reacts so quickly...that he could...maybe...
compensate for his usual no fire approach to quarterbacking. Back in basic, I used to get in trouble for smiling
when one of our TI's was yelling. Well, he was funny. And he did it on purpose. Some of us maybe set a record for
pushups for grinning and doing pushups. In that order, ...
Our other TI, Sgt. Thompson, was a mean SOB every second. Maybe off duty too. I never had any trouble with him,
except for one misunderstanding. He was going to kill me once, but it wasn't my fault.
But Sgt. Reyes? Damn comedian. We'd be marching, and he'd suddenly stop us, clown around, then make us
do 50 pushups again for reacting to his clown crap.
This is how I see Weeds. He's just too cool, no fire. But he's worse, he's grinning on and off the field, with
no intensity. Hey, I got real serious and intense in basic when it was necessary. I'm not sure Weeden would
make it through basic...
I don't believe there is any "learning how to get 'it'..". But maybe he could improve enough, to remain
the backup, so the Browns don't have to draft a qb in the first round next year.
Hoyer, yes, needs to earn that respect the rest of the year. So far, though, Hoyer looks like a Brian Sipe to
some of us - hope he keeps growing into the starter role.
Frankly, for some reason, I don't see definate immediate star qb's in next year's draft. I don't why...
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It's impossible to say right now, really. Hoyer was good in his first game and better in his second. He's 2-0. How far can this go? He's a very smart quarterback with almost no real holes in his game. He's smart, he's mobile, he's accurate, he's decisive, he's a leader, and he can zip it just fine. Considering he's only started two games in this offense, it's not off the table at all that he could be great.
Put it this way: Kurt Warner has nothing over Brian Hoyer physically. In fact, they have very similar arms and Hoyer is more mobile. An enormous amount of playing that position well happens between the ears and I really believe Hoyer has IT.
All that said, of course we'll draft a quarterback. Somewhere. Because Weeden will be cut or traded. It's the Ron Wolf theory: You draft one every year... especially when you have 10 freaking picks and 30 freaking million dollars. Where depends on what Hoyer does between now and the end of the season.
I really want Chud to just commit to him for the rest of the year. I'm hoping one more good start Thursday does that.
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At this rate we're gonna have Brian Hoyer day around week 17.
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What record does Hoyer have to go (because he will be starting for the rest of season) for you to draft a QB with the first pick?
This always happens though, we are destined for a bad season, get a qb in there, usually a back up, that tears it up, think we have soneone special, then sucks ever year after and we lose out on drafting a franchise QB.
What record does Hoyer have to go (because he will be starting for the rest of season) for you to draft a QB with the first pick?
This always happens though, we are destined for a bad season, get a qb in there, usually a back up, that tears it up, think we have soneone special, then sucks ever year after and we lose out on drafting a franchise QB.
Yes....I too would want to Scarlett O'Hara that question (think about it some other time)
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While its is only been 2 games I think Hoyer is going to do nothing but get better as he keeps getting more reps with the starters. What its going to come down to is how well he throws the ball in late November and December.
While its is only been 2 games I think Hoyer is going to do nothing but get better as he keeps getting more reps with the starters. What its going to come down to is how well he throws the ball in late November and December.
He's a Cleveland bred QB who played college ball in Michigan and pro ball in New England.
I think he's used to the cold weather.
At least, he better be. That's going to be the true test of the TR trade. How will our RB's fare when we don't throw the ball 55 times a game?
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If Hoyer keeps playing like he is now you do not draft a QB in the first round. Even those most sure fire prospects are a big roll of the dice. We use all of our picks to shore up the right side of the line, add another shutdown corner and another receiver. I don't really see RB as a high need in the draft either. Maybe add a late round power / goal line back to complement Dion Lewis. I would take a developmental QB somewhere in rounds 3 through 6.
Really can you imagine how good our defense would be with the addition of another top notch corner?
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I'll say this: If Hoyer actually gets better as he gains more experience and confidence in the offense, and ends up with a PR of like 90 and we with 7 games? I wouldn't draft a quarterback in the first round.
But I probably would in the second round. With those extra picks, you can trade up to that storied first pick of the second round to get Manziel or whoever slips out of the first round. Just depends on who the Browns like. I do know they're scouting the shit out of Johnny Cash, so it might be him.
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We already did the midget qb thing
No thanks to Jonny foosball.
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