Hoyer out for season
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Weeden leading us to the playoffs is the only way he stays. But what to do with Hoyer?
Let's worry about that next year.
The Browns have Weeden and Campbell on the roster now. I suspect Hoyer will be going on IR. They will need to pick up a 3rd string backup.
After the season, after they see how Weeden performs, they can make their judgment then.....to keep Weeden as the future. Or not. They will likely keep Hoyer on the roster for next year. If they don't keep Weeden....and draft a QB, they will still need a veteran. I would still prefer a rookie QB get some bench time to learn.
But why deal with that now. It will be an issue for April/May. Weeden/Campbell will be our QBs....unless this turns out like 2008 and all three of them get hurt (remember we had to use DA/Quinn/Dorsey/Gradkowski). Lets not repeat that BS.
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who said he's a locker room cancer?
they paid him to leave. What else do you need to know?
they paid him to leave. What else do you need to know?
Because Schiano is a egotistical asshole and didn't draft him.
Keep in mind, this is the HC that just told all the season ticket holders that their team was a "laughingstock" and that they "needed a little Greg Schiano".
The guy is a douchebag supreme.
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One of the beat reporters (Ridenour) believes this takes the chances of the Browns drafting a QB way up in the draft to a near certainty. The brass seems to have no confidence whatsoever in Weeden and won't really know anything about Hoyer by the time the draft rolls around. He only got those two starts and he'll be rehabbing in May... not enough to bank on.
Weeden was Weeden last night: He took a ton of sacks, got the ball out slow, showed off a great arm, and went yard a couple times. He also missed more on short/intermediate throws than over the top, throwing well behind Bess and almost never getting the ball out in the first "window."
I'll be pulling for him like crazy and, hey, going downtown is always fun. But it was brutally clear that the team had united behind Hoyer and saw him as The Guy. The team and Weeden is more of a shot gun reconciliation. Hoyer had a shot at changing the Browns' draft plans. Never say never, but I don't believe that's true of Weeden.
Could he just go off and change my mind and everybody else's? Sure. That'd be amazing.
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I think two things are a certainty now. First, the Browns keep Hoyer, and second, they draft a QB next year. The Browns keep Hoyer because he'll give 200% to this team, he's earned the right to be considered for the starting job next year, Lombardi loves him, and he has skills that neither of the other two QBs on the team have, and those skills make him an invaluable mentor. A mentor to who? The other certainty, that the Browns will draft a QB in the first round.
But what if Weeden leads the team to the playoffs? That'll earn him a right to stay on the roster, and that leaves Campbell the odd man out next year. The team will have 3 QBs next year, and the question is who will get the third spot. Weeden does well, he will get it and we'll go into next year with a rookie QB, Hoyer, and Weeden.
If Weeden fails he is gone and we go into next year with Hoyer, a rookie QB, and Campbell or someone they pick up on free agency.
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The unfortunate thing about Weeden are his major flaws aren't something you fix at the pro level. The only thing I'm hoping for is they give Weeden a bunch of quick throws against Detroit. Bubble Screens, Smoke passes, quick slants to get his mind moving quicker in game. This defense is good enough to just need Weeden not to lose us a game to be competitive, that's for certain.
Edit: The bottom line here is if Weeden can just play like he did last night for the rest of the season, this team could have serious playoff implications.
The unfortunate thing about Weeden are his major flaws aren't something you fix at the pro level. The only thing I'm hoping for is they give Weeden a bunch of quick throws against Detroit. Bubble Screens, Smoke passes, quick slants to get his mind moving quicker in game. This defense is good enough to just need Weeden not to lose us a game to be competitive, that's for certain.
Edit: The bottom line here is if Weeden can just play like he did last night for the rest of the season, this team could have serious playoff implications.
They need to construct a practice drill for Weeden. Have him line up under center with no other offensive linemen and three receivers who are covered man to man, have a LB line up off an imaginary tackle. After the snap, he counts to three and than rushes Weeden. Either weeden gets the pass off to an open receiver or he gets leveled. Keep doing it until he gets it in his head he needs to get rid of the ball even if it is to throw it away if no one is open.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
I would love to see a rookie sit on the bench behind Hoyer. Unless Weeden's light turns on I've seen enough of Hoyer to let him start next year.
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The unfortunate thing about Weeden are his major flaws aren't something you fix at the pro level. The only thing I'm hoping for is they give Weeden a bunch of quick throws against Detroit. Bubble Screens, Smoke passes, quick slants to get his mind moving quicker in game. This defense is good enough to just need Weeden not to lose us a game to be competitive, that's for certain.
Edit: The bottom line here is if Weeden can just play like he did last night for the rest of the season, this team could have serious playoff implications.
They need to construct a practice drill for Weeden. Have him line up under center with no other offensive linemen and three receivers who are covered man to man, have a LB line up off an imaginary tackle. After the snap, he counts to three and than rushes Weeden. Either weeden gets the pass off to an open receiver or he gets leveled. Keep doing it until he gets it in his head he needs to get rid of the ball even if it is to throw it away if no one is open.
They need to construct a practice drill for Weeden. Have him line up under center with no other offensive linemen and three receivers who are covered man to man, have a LB line up off an imaginary tackle. After the snap, he counts to three and than rushes Weeden. Either weeden gets the pass off to an open receiver or he gets leveled. Keep doing it until he gets it in his head he needs to get rid of the ball even if it is to throw it away if no one is open.
And then Campbell will be starting....
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Opening day is in 10 months which means Hoyer probably doesn't play at all in the preseason... which makes it unlikely that he's the starter. I do think the Browns will stand behind him and resign him (he's on a one-year, I think). But the starter is almost certainly in college right now.
The Browns will trade whatever it takes to get as high as they can to get a QB. Feels almost as certain as it gets.
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My honest opinion is we can make the playoffs with weeden. I think we could WIN playoff games with Freeman. Thats my $ .02
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Troy Smith!!!!
part of me laughs at this, the other part of me says why not. turner, chud, and lombardi like mobile QB's in their system, which is why we got hoyer to begin with. try him out, give him a shot. he did alright in san fran when he got starts. didnt look bas at all
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Listen, Hoyer didn't win any games for us, same as Weeden hasn't lost any games for us. Sure, Hoyer looked a little better, but he wasn't exactly perfect in his 2 starts. Hoyer did just enough in 2 games for us to win. All Weeden needs to do is just enough for us to NOT lose. Our defense and ST have been a major factor in all 3 wins, and I see that continuing the rest of the season. We don't need "lights out" QB play with this team, just need first downs that lead to good field position and enough points to give our D a chance. This CAN be a playoff team with Weeden, especially if he plays like he did in the 2nd half...
#Justsayin' -
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Troy Smith!!!!
part of me laughs at this, the other part of me says why not. turner, chud, and lombardi like mobile QB's in their system, which is why we got hoyer to begin with. try him out, give him a shot. he did alright in san fran when he got starts. didnt look bas at all
part of me laughs at this, the other part of me says why not. turner, chud, and lombardi like mobile QB's in their system, which is why we got hoyer to begin with. try him out, give him a shot. he did alright in san fran when he got starts. didnt look bas at all
You must be high.
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Listen, Hoyer didn't win any games for us, same as Weeden hasn't lost any games for us. Sure, Hoyer looked a little better, but he wasn't exactly perfect in his 2 starts. Hoyer did just enough in 2 games for us to win. All Weeden needs to do is just enough for us to NOT lose. Our defense and ST have been a major factor in all 3 wins, and I see that continuing the rest of the season. We don't need "lights out" QB play with this team, just need first downs that lead to good field position and enough points to give our D a chance. This CAN be a playoff team with Weeden, especially if he plays like he did in the 2nd half...
Listen, Hoyer didn't win any games for us, same as Weeden hasn't lost any games for us. Sure, Hoyer looked a little better, but he wasn't exactly perfect in his 2 starts. Hoyer did just enough in 2 games for us to win. All Weeden needs to do is just enough for us to NOT lose. Our defense and ST have been a major factor in all 3 wins, and I see that continuing the rest of the season. We don't need "lights out" QB play with this team, just need first downs that lead to good field position and enough points to give our D a chance. This CAN be a playoff team with Weeden, especially if he plays like he did in the 2nd half...
Are you completely fucking serious?
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Even though Weeden made some nice throws last night, you could see the same old problems of holding onto the ball and making late decisions.
It is a shame that Hoyer got hurt because he looks to have the ability to beat the blitz as well as pin point accuracy.
What could have been if Hoyer didn't get hurt and they could use those 2 first round picks on other positions.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Troy Smith!!!!
part of me laughs at this, the other part of me says why not. turner, chud, and lombardi like mobile QB's in their system, which is why we got hoyer to begin with. try him out, give him a shot. he did alright in san fran when he got starts. didnt look bas at all
Word is he looked great at OSU's pro day and had guys talking. I'm dead serious. Why not bring him in as a 3rd string guy and see what he has left? He beat Flacco out for the job in Baltimore before he got sick, was traded to San Fran where he beat out Alex Smith for the job and went 3-3 as the starter and even had a 350+ yard game, and that was when San Fran was bad. Hes always been a Browns fan so you know he'd give it everything he has. Give the guy a tryout, what could it hurt?part of me laughs at this, the other part of me says why not. turner, chud, and lombardi like mobile QB's in their system, which is why we got hoyer to begin with. try him out, give him a shot. he did alright in san fran when he got starts. didnt look bas at all
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Listen, Hoyer didn't win any games for us, same as Weeden hasn't lost any games for us. Sure, Hoyer looked a little better, but he wasn't exactly perfect in his 2 starts. Hoyer did just enough in 2 games for us to win. All Weeden needs to do is just enough for us to NOT lose. Our defense and ST have been a major factor in all 3 wins, and I see that continuing the rest of the season. We don't need "lights out" QB play with this team, just need first downs that lead to good field position and enough points to give our D a chance. This CAN be a playoff team with Weeden, especially if he plays like he did in the 2nd half...
Are you completely fucking serious?
Are you completely fucking serious?
Yes. Any other tough questions? Or do you actually have something to comment on or contribute to the conversation?
I'm actually pretty excited to see what the Weeden-Gordon combo can do this year. They were pretty tough together at times last year. Add in Cameron and what he's been doing, along with Bess and "Mr. Dependable" Greg Little and this offense CAN be explosive.
What is there NOT to be optimistic about at 3-2??
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Troy Smith!!!!
part of me laughs at this, the other part of me says why not. turner, chud, and lombardi like mobile QB's in their system, which is why we got hoyer to begin with. try him out, give him a shot. he did alright in san fran when he got starts. didnt look bas at all
part of me laughs at this, the other part of me says why not. turner, chud, and lombardi like mobile QB's in their system, which is why we got hoyer to begin with. try him out, give him a shot. he did alright in san fran when he got starts. didnt look bas at all
Let see Norv Turner has been around since the early 90's and yet I can't think of one mobile QB that's been in his system but he sure does like them.
"You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978 -
Naturally, a huge loss for the organization. The whole team seemed to rally around the upstart 3rd-stringer. Was he perfect: of course not. He threw 3 picks in his 1st CLE game, but he managed to put the mistakes behind him when his team needed to make a final push & thus led his team to victory. He showed real improvement in the CIN divisional game. Granted, Leon Hall wasn't in the game, but CIN had a very good D for that game, nonetheless. He led 2 TD drives and put Cundiff in place for a mid-range FG. 17 pt against what was then a Top 3 ranked D is quite adequate. Most importantly though, he didn't turn the ball over. He got the ball off quicker than any QB in the league and this helped to neutralize CIN's pass rushing and keep the Cs/Ss on their toes. In last night's game, he threw a missile to Gordon that would have been a (60 yd?) TD pass had Gordon not dropped it. The run in which he injured himself was also pretty clutch. CLE can look favorably upon next year however, as ACL-tear rehabilitation has gotten steadily better and better over the years. Hoyer's former tutor tore his ACL at an older age than Hoyer and came back beautifully. I wish CLE had a rookie for a 3rd-stringer instead of Campbell, as Hoyer would be able to tutor him full time on the sidelines.
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Listen, Hoyer didn't win any games for us, same as Weeden hasn't lost any games for us. Sure, Hoyer looked a little better, but he wasn't exactly perfect in his 2 starts. Hoyer did just enough in 2 games for us to win. All Weeden needs to do is just enough for us to NOT lose. Our defense and ST have been a major factor in all 3 wins, and I see that continuing the rest of the season. We don't need "lights out" QB play with this team, just need first downs that lead to good field position and enough points to give our D a chance. This CAN be a playoff team with Weeden, especially if he plays like he did in the 2nd half...
Listen, Hoyer didn't win any games for us, same as Weeden hasn't lost any games for us. Sure, Hoyer looked a little better, but he wasn't exactly perfect in his 2 starts. Hoyer did just enough in 2 games for us to win. All Weeden needs to do is just enough for us to NOT lose. Our defense and ST have been a major factor in all 3 wins, and I see that continuing the rest of the season. We don't need "lights out" QB play with this team, just need first downs that lead to good field position and enough points to give our D a chance. This CAN be a playoff team with Weeden, especially if he plays like he did in the 2nd half...
Hoyer led a game winning drive and a game sealing drive in back to back weeks. Weeden holds on to the ball too long and stares at recievers. When you go 3 and out all game the defense gets tired. That's why we lost the first 2 games. Do you have anymore great thoughts you need to share with the rest of us smartass?
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