Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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Aaron Murray's shooting up boards now. What do we think of him? I honestly don't have an opinion yet. He looked good in both games I saw this year but I didn't watch the entire games and his arm looked just a little above Dalton.
Aaron Murray's shooting up boards now. What do we think of him? I honestly don't have an opinion yet. He looked good in both games I saw this year but I didn't watch the entire games and his arm looked just a little above Dalton.
Murray looks "gunslingerish" to my eye... not in a good way.
Again for a Defense oriented team, I like McCarron... especially vs. any gunslinger.
I'm comfortable with Skrine anywhere on the field. CB1, CB2, Nickel, Free Safety, Run support, Blitzing the QB... Whatever, this kid can FLY>
Certainly has been a lot more comfy after his showings in the last 2 games.
Yeah, -1 thumbs down on trading up to get the first pick to grab a QB. If we are DEAD SET on drafting QB with our first pick that's fine, but let the QB come to us. Don't reach like we did for Weeden.
We need a CB, OG, RB, WR/TE, QB in this next draft. And God please help us get a REAL FULL BACK... It almost literally took us 9 fucking tries to punch it in within 5 fucking yards. Wow.
Agree on QB reaching... #1's need to come with a money back guararntee... or as close as you can get to one.
Busts come in many forms...
Good ones may be a hit away from the "what could have been" bin of history...
Goal line unit has a couple big FBs to chose from... Winn would be my first choice, but Kruger or Sheard are also candidates.
Nobody in the NFL "let's a quarterback come to them." Nobody. Wrong league, wrong era.
And Skrine is ripping it up. He played a great game Sunday.
Indy did...
Green Bay did...
NE did...
Seattle just did...
SF just did... twice...
Many do...
Just do it...
Agree on Skrine... he has upped his play considerably since last year.
Yup, some of the Browns (or other teams) trade ups have stunk to high heaven. Our reaches for Brady Quinn and Weezer the Geezer were monumentally bad.
PS AJ McCarron is Colt McCoy II in my book, haven't watched enough of the others to form an opinion.
1. That's Wheezy the Gheezy...
2. I'm convinced that if you want a "game manager" type QB (as a defensively oriented team might), then McCarron would be a worthy pick.
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Take a late round guy, put him behind Hoyer, see how it works.
If it all fails, we'll be in a good spot for Jameis Winston whenever he decides to come out.
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Nobody in the NFL "let's a quarterback come to them." Nobody. Wrong league, wrong era.
And Skrine is ripping it up. He played a great game Sunday.
don't get it.
you are the official proponent that WE HAVE to draft one of these guys next year. and i have read all of your posts and agree with a lot of what you have to say BUT if the next year's crop of QBs are as deep as what you have stated then if we are picking #6 and 3 of the teams ahead of us don't draft a QB, then why wouldn't you let the QB fall into your lap? i mean they are all so good right? so it shouldn't make a difference, correct?
Valid point, Mik. But you get the very best you can get at QB or you shouldn't be in personnel because you don't understand the league you play in.
The point of the depth is that we can trade up to #5 or so and still get a potentially elite QB in Mariota or Boyd or whomever Chorv loves best. Not true last year. I think they'll want a guy who can move but be disciplined not to take off all the time. Boyd is the best example of that. He really doesn't run all that much but can.
And he has a great release, a cannon, and a reputation as being a great teammate and leader. He's on at 12:30 Pacific (3:30 y'all).
don't get it.
you are the official proponent that WE HAVE to draft one of these guys next year. and i have read all of your posts and agree with a lot of what you have to say BUT if the next year's crop of QBs are as deep as what you have stated then if we are picking #6 and 3 of the teams ahead of us don't draft a QB, then why wouldn't you let the QB fall into your lap? i mean they are all so good right? so it shouldn't make a difference, correct?
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see i'm not a college football freak like a lot of my friends are (mostly all SEC) so i know about murray and of course the big ten. i couldn't name a QB right now after what 4 games that has been mr. highlight. i know ohio st. has 2 great QBs.
i know you are a cali guy so you must be pac 10 (12?) guy. i'm just scared of any QB that comes out of that conference, russell wilson being the current exception. big 12, no thanks, we already got one of those dummies. so when people throw names at me like boyd and bridgwater after 4 games and even TCPO is talking about guys that aren't even eligible yet, i just gotta scratch my head.
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see i'm not a college football freak like a lot of my friends are (mostly all SEC) so i know about murray and of course the big ten. i couldn't name a QB right now after what 4 games that has been mr. highlight. i know ohio st. has 2 great QBs.
i know you are a cali guy so you must be pac 10 (12?) guy. i'm just scared of any QB that comes out of that conference, russell wilson being the current exception. big 12, no thanks, we already got one of those dummies. so when people throw names at me like boyd and bridgwater after 4 games and even TCPO is talking about guys that aren't even eligible yet, i just gotta scratch my head.
Russell Wilson was an ACC and Big Ten player.see i'm not a college football freak like a lot of my friends are (mostly all SEC) so i know about murray and of course the big ten. i couldn't name a QB right now after what 4 games that has been mr. highlight. i know ohio st. has 2 great QBs.
i know you are a cali guy so you must be pac 10 (12?) guy. i'm just scared of any QB that comes out of that conference, russell wilson being the current exception. big 12, no thanks, we already got one of those dummies. so when people throw names at me like boyd and bridgwater after 4 games and even TCPO is talking about guys that aren't even eligible yet, i just gotta scratch my head.
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see i'm not a college football freak like a lot of my friends are (mostly all SEC) so i know about murray and of course the big ten. i couldn't name a QB right now after what 4 games that has been mr. highlight. i know ohio st. has 2 great QBs.
i know you are a cali guy so you must be pac 10 (12?) guy. i'm just scared of any QB that comes out of that conference, russell wilson being the current exception. big 12, no thanks, we already got one of those dummies. so when people throw names at me like boyd and bridgwater after 4 games and even TCPO is talking about guys that aren't even eligible yet, i just gotta scratch my head.
see i'm not a college football freak like a lot of my friends are (mostly all SEC) so i know about murray and of course the big ten. i couldn't name a QB right now after what 4 games that has been mr. highlight. i know ohio st. has 2 great QBs.
i know you are a cali guy so you must be pac 10 (12?) guy. i'm just scared of any QB that comes out of that conference, russell wilson being the current exception. big 12, no thanks, we already got one of those dummies. so when people throw names at me like boyd and bridgwater after 4 games and even TCPO is talking about guys that aren't even eligible yet, i just gotta scratch my head.
Jameis Winston 6'4 230 Redshirt Freshman FSU
Through his first five games:
73.6% Comp 1441 yards 17 TD 2 INT
He's been amazing so far. Granted, he's playing in the ACC. But, then again, so is Boyd.
Could be the #1 pick in a year or two.
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Russell Wilson was an ACC and Big Ten player.see i'm not a college football freak like a lot of my friends are (mostly all SEC) so i know about murray and of course the big ten. i couldn't name a QB right now after what 4 games that has been mr. highlight. i know ohio st. has 2 great QBs.
i know you are a cali guy so you must be pac 10 (12?) guy. i'm just scared of any QB that comes out of that conference, russell wilson being the current exception. big 12, no thanks, we already got one of those dummies. so when people throw names at me like boyd and bridgwater after 4 games and even TCPO is talking about guys that aren't even eligible yet, i just gotta scratch my head.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Russell Wilson was an ACC and Big Ten player.
you're right. sometimes ya gotta forgive me when i have these huge brain farts. rusell wilson plays for seattle and i automatically thought of the ducks for some reason................uniforms maybe?
he played for wisconsin?
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don't get it.
you are the official proponent that WE HAVE to draft one of these guys next year. and i have read all of your posts and agree with a lot of what you have to say BUT if the next year's crop of QBs are as deep as what you have stated then if we are picking #6 and 3 of the teams ahead of us don't draft a QB, then why wouldn't you let the QB fall into your lap? i mean they are all so good right? so it shouldn't make a difference, correct?
Yup, some of the Browns (or other teams) trade ups have stunk to high heaven. Our reaches for Brady Quinn and Weezer the Geezer were monumentally bad. No one else was taking Brandon in the first round. I doubt with 20\20 hindsight the Deadskins would have given up 3 firsts and a second for RG III.
Hoyer certainly is the X Factor in all this talk. If the FO has enough tape on him to think he just might be the long term answer, AND if the qb class is as deep as advertized, there's no reason to throw away our banked picks to roll the dice on a prospect- again. BTW, Griffin was injured months later in the season than Hoyer- so Brian does have enough lead time to recover.
You can't predict how a player is going to recover from an ACL- RG III & Palmer aren't the same (Palmer may never be) but it didn't seem to affect Brady all that much. Does that justify the Browns doing a Griffin like draft giveaway on a prospect? Not in my book.
PS AJ McCarron is Colt McCoy II in my book, haven't watched enough of the others to form an opinion.
Yup, some of the Browns (or other teams) trade ups have stunk to high heaven. Our reaches for Brady Quinn and Weezer the Geezer were monumentally bad. No one else was taking Brandon in the first round. I doubt with 20\20 hindsight the Deadskins would have given up 3 firsts and a second for RG III.
Hoyer certainly is the X Factor in all this talk. If the FO has enough tape on him to think he just might be the long term answer, AND if the qb class is as deep as advertized, there's no reason to throw away our banked picks to roll the dice on a prospect- again. BTW, Griffin was injured months later in the season than Hoyer- so Brian does have enough lead time to recover.
You can't predict how a player is going to recover from an ACL- RG III & Palmer aren't the same (Palmer may never be) but it didn't seem to affect Brady all that much. Does that justify the Browns doing a Griffin like draft giveaway on a prospect? Not in my book.
PS AJ McCarron is Colt McCoy II in my book, haven't watched enough of the others to form an opinion.
AJ McCarron has a decent arm, and elite mechanics to boot. He's not spectacular but he belongs in the NFL, he could excel on a team as a game manager.
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Russell Wilson was an ACC and Big Ten player.
you're right. sometimes ya gotta forgive me when i have these huge brain farts. rusell wilson plays for seattle and i automatically thought of the ducks for some reason................uniforms maybe?
he played for wisconsin?
Haha. Yep, he played three seasons at NC State and transfered to Wisconsin after a disagreement with his head coach about Wilson playing baseball also.you're right. sometimes ya gotta forgive me when i have these huge brain farts. rusell wilson plays for seattle and i automatically thought of the ducks for some reason................uniforms maybe?
he played for wisconsin?
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Yup, some of the Browns (or other teams) trade ups have stunk to high heaven. Our reaches for Brady Quinn and Weezer the Geezer were monumentally bad. No one else was taking Brandon in the first round. I doubt with 20\20 hindsight the Deadskins would have given up 3 firsts and a second for RG III.
Hoyer certainly is the X Factor in all this talk. If the FO has enough tape on him to think he just might be the long term answer, AND if the qb class is as deep as advertized, there's no reason to throw away our banked picks to roll the dice on a prospect- again. BTW, Griffin was injured months later in the season than Hoyer- so Brian does have enough lead time to recover.
You can't predict how a player is going to recover from an ACL- RG III & Palmer aren't the same (Palmer may never be) but it didn't seem to affect Brady all that much. Does that justify the Browns doing a Griffin like draft giveaway on a prospect? Not in my book.
PS AJ McCarron is Colt McCoy II in my book, haven't watched enough of the others to form an opinion.
AJ McCarron has a decent arm, and elite mechanics to boot. He's not spectacular but he belongs in the NFL, he could excel on a team as a game manager.
I'm pretty sure people said the same things about McElroy. I want no part of mcCarron in the first two rounds.AJ McCarron has a decent arm, and elite mechanics to boot. He's not spectacular but he belongs in the NFL, he could excel on a team as a game manager.
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Whoa, now! Green Bay let Rodgers come to them? They had Brett Favre!! You're talking about low drafting teams who already have their starter. Even Seattle THOUGHT they had their starter.
Bad teams who don't have an obvious franchise quarterback should never, ever, ever pass on a great quarterback prospect. If ou need a quarterback, every other need is like 20 miles below. "Everything gets easier once you have your quarterback," as Chuckie put it. Or as our whole organization said like 30 times, "You have to get the quarterback."
Now, some years there isn't one worthy of a top 10 pick. Most years there are at least two. This is one of those years where several guys will go in the top half of round one. Maybe 4.
Boyd just went the fuck OFF in the first half. Love watching him. If the Browns can't get to Bridgewater, I really like Boyd a ton. I think I like him better than Mariota.
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Bridgewater has the talent but "won't" be elite.
http://q.usatoday.com/2013/10/10/teddy-bridgewater-louisville-cardinals-nfl/
I liked some of the points he made in the article. I just hope lombardi and banner arent buying the hype and packaging picks to move up and get him.
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Bridgewater has the talent but "won't" be elite.
http://q.usatoday.com/2013/10/10/teddy-bridgewater-louisville-cardinals-nfl/
I liked some of the points he made in the article. I just hope lombardi and banner arent buying the hype and packaging picks to move up and get him.
Bridgewater has the talent but "won't" be elite.
http://q.usatoday.com/2013/10/10/teddy-bridgewater-louisville-cardinals-nfl/
I liked some of the points he made in the article. I just hope lombardi and banner arent buying the hype and packaging picks to move up and get him.
What good points does he make?
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played against rutgers and did alright. nothing special i saw that would have me reaching for that 'kid'
he will get smashed in the NFL.
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I'm high on the Blake Bortles kid.
High, high, high.
He's been playing in the CUSA so I tend to disregard his stats, but last season he tossed 25 TDs to only 8 INTs, and added 8 scores with his legs as well.
At 6'4, 230, he is a physical specimen. He stands tall in the pocket and is one of the rare NCAA QB's who seems just as comfortable under center as he is out of the gun.
His release varies from over the top to three quarters depending on the situation, but it's a quick release and there's little wasted movement.
One of the things I absolutely love is his ability to save plays. On two separate occasions, he's lost control of the ball mid throw, recovered the fumble, evaded the rush and found open receivers down the field (one of which for a TD). He's mobile and evasive, but he's not a runner.
Another quality I think is overlooked is his ability to throw accurate passes despite not having his feet set. This also is a curse.
My big problem with him is his footwork. It's garbage. He routinely falls away from his throws even when the pocket is clean. He sometimes exhibits a hitch in his drop back, most notably when the defense is showing blitz.
The best way I can explain it is that he just gets shit done.
Pro comparison: Ben Roethlisberger
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We need to find a QB, not a physical specimen. Does Russell Wilson ring any bells? God I hope we ignore the next workout warrior who runs fast, stands high and can do little else.
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