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Where are the End Arounds to Benjamin in This Offense?

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  • I think we should utilize his speed and maximize it to the best of our ability. We have to use a little more trickery/gimmick plays, reverses, etc., with Weeden in there to take the ball out of his hands as much as possible. Not that he's terrible, but he is the top 5 worse in the league.

    Benjamin should be doing ALL kick returns also. I believe he is over his muffed catches.

    @soju said:

    I think we should utilize his speed and maximize it to the best of our ability. We have to use a little more trickery/gimmick plays, reverses, etc., with Weeden in there to take the ball out of his hands as much as possible. Not that he's terrible, but he is the top 5 worse in the league.

    Benjamin should be doing ALL kick returns also. I believe he is over his muffed catches.

    One or at most two of those per game would be OK, though I don't think when you go back and look at Norv Turner's teams that you have ever seen them do a lot of end arounds. Did Michael Irvin ever do any?

    And all I can say is that there must be a definite reason they don't use Benji on kickoff returns. OK, so, you don't use him.....still you gotta get someone that CAN do this job. And that ain't Little. I still think this Whittaker kid...if he get activated might be the solution...somewhat.

  • Based on what we saw on Thursday night. I'm fine with putting Rainey back there to just catch the ball and kneel down and start at the 20. Would be about a 10 yard field position improvement from what Little did the first two times.

  • Based on what we saw on Thursday night. I'm fine with putting Rainey back there to just catch the ball and kneel down and start at the 20. Would be about a 10 yard field position improvement from what Little did the first two times.

    @mark-o said:

    Based on what we saw on Thursday night. I'm fine with putting Rainey back there to just catch the ball and kneel down and start at the 20. Would be about a 10 yard field position improvement from what Little did the first two times.

    Do we even need anyone back there? Surely if it bounces in to the end zone it's a touchback, so start the guy on the 15 yard line 😁

  • @mark-o said:

    Based on what we saw on Thursday night. I'm fine with putting Rainey back there to just catch the ball and kneel down and start at the 20. Would be about a 10 yard field position improvement from what Little did the first two times.

    Do we even need anyone back there? Surely if it bounces in to the end zone it's a touchback, so start the guy on the 15 yard line 😁

    @gftchris said:

    Do we even need anyone back there? Surely if it bounces in to the end zone it's a touchback, so start the guy on the 15 yard line 😁

    It's a live ball until the receiving team downs it in the end zone or it goes out of the end zone. So yes you would need someone back there to make sure it doesn't turn into a 70 yard onside kick.

  • Soju might have delusions of grandeur but he is right about one thing... Teams don't get better by patting themselves on the back. Even when they win they hit the film an study their mistakes. I played 4 years OL/DL in high school and even at that level you are always pushing to get better, even after a win.

    I think Benjamin ought to return everything as well. He's shown a special talent for it and the muffs will pass with repetition.

    @osiris said:

    I think Benjamin ought to return everything as well. He's shown a special talent for it and the muffs will pass with repetition.

    @letsgojackets said:

    I brought up the question in the tavern and the usual answer was that (Benji) was too little? I think he should be back there.

    Yup... that would be me saying that...

    Kick offs simply do not offer the broken field opportunities that punt returns do.

    IMO for KO's you trade some speed/ elusiveness for tackle breaking ability, which I assume you'd agree that Benji does not have.

    @dab7291993 said:

    End arounds are the slowest developing plays in football, risk is much higher than the reward, regardless of how fast the guy running.

    Having end arounds in game plan depend 100'% on the discipline of the "backside" DE and OLB. If they stay at home, as they should, then they do not work.

    The next time we play a D where the backside chases, then odds are you'll see an end around. But will likely be Gordon, since Benji is not seeing much WR time. Hard to fool even undisciplined teams when you put in your "end-around-guy" in an unusual situation for him..

    @mark-o said:

    Friggin' hilareous...

  • Quick wide or bubble screens (the 40-yard play in the 1st quarter vs. Cincy) interest me more with Benjamin. Early success down the field with Gordon and Cameron can open up more cushion for Benjamin. They can be easy, rhythm-building throws for Weeds. They can also effectively be a running play considering our RBs. An end around (or more likely a jet sweep out of shotgun or WildDawg) is good to show once in a while.

  • Quick wide or bubble screens (the 40-yard play in the 1st quarter vs. Cincy) interest me more with Benjamin. Early success down the field with Gordon and Cameron can open up more cushion for Benjamin. They can be easy, rhythm-building throws for Weeds. They can also effectively be a running play considering our RBs. An end around (or more likely a jet sweep out of shotgun or WildDawg) is good to show once in a while.

    @andruw-u said:

    Quick wide or bubble screens (the 40-yard play in the 1st quarter vs. Cincy) interest me more with Benjamin. Early success down the field with Gordon and Cameron can open up more cushion for Benjamin. They can be easy, rhythm-building throws for Weeds. They can also effectively be a running play considering our RBs. An end around (or more likely a jet sweep out of shotgun or WildDawg) is good to show once in a while.

    Yea, the bubble screen does seem like a play very suitable to deploy Benjamin in. Good thinking Butch.

  • We can bust his balls all we want but on this one hes on the money. Honestly he not much more of a dick than most of us can be at times. Almost every poster here including myself can be an asshole at times. I was told when I was completely new thats the way of the board lol

  • We can bust his balls all we want but on this one hes on the money. Honestly he not much more of a dick than most of us can be at times. Almost every poster here including myself can be an asshole at times. I was told when I was completely new thats the way of the board lol

    @jcam222 said:

    We can bust his balls all we want but on this one hes on the money. Honestly he not much more of a dick than most of us can be at times. Almost every poster here including myself can be an asshole at times. I was told when I was completely new thats the way of the board lol

    I'm not a dick, you're a dick, you faggot munching dick!!!!!!1111!!!!

  • Bubble screens and fly routes???