Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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This team will not stand pat on Hoyer based on two starts, a blown knee, and a 29th birthday next season. I liked him and thought he would only get better but let's not splurt too much here: He's undersized, has a medium arm, and while he's nimble enough won't scare anybody with his legs.
Do I think we could win with him? Yeah. I think he's smart, accurate, gets the ball out fast, has a terrific compact release, and can move around pretty well. Could we win it all? Probably not. Do I think he could give us better QB play than Dalton gives the Bengals? Yes. Do I think he's going to be a Pro Bowler, a guy who gives you a legit chance at home field in the playoffs?
Honestly, no. And for the Browns to "hitch their wagon," he needed to play even better than he was and continue it all year long... and more than anything, stay healthy. Nobody skips QBs in the draft because they have a guy who gave them two nice games at 28 on his fifth team and then had major knee surgery.
The Browns will draft one of the top 3-4 QBs. Bank it. They'll trade up if they need to and that probably includes the other pick which is just fine. We'll take a running back with the highest of our third round picks, perhaps move into late 2. Someone to platoon with Dion and Obie, a guy who can run AND catch, as Daniel Wolf is tweeting about this morning. Tate doesn't meet that.
They love Dion. He'll get a serious chance to break out next year. We'll add a WR pretty high, maybe round 2. Sign a f/a corner with size and probably a RT.
The only QB on the Browns who can prevent a high #1 pick now, ironically, is Weeds.
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Matter of time until we saw Mettenberger to Browns. Other dude has Tajh, but everybody agrees on the QB position on every mock I see.
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I'm watching the Oregon-Washington game to see what Mariota is about and I'm not superimpressed. Don't know if it is the routes being called or the defense but it seems like he holds onto the ball for an extended period of time. Luckily he has the legs to get himself out of pressure after holding onto the ball too long. He does have some nice throws.
- I don't think we will do bad enough to get Bridgewater and will only have a chance if we trade up which is going to cost a lot. The asking price is going to be at least what Washington gave St Louis for RGIII.
- Though he has skill and makes things happen I don't want Manziel, don't want the drama.
- We might have a chance at Hundly. I haven't seen him play but everyone seems to be pretty high on him.
- Murray (UGA), McCarron ('Bama) and Mettenberger (LSU) I wouldn't project to be franchise QBs and wouldn't take any earlier than the 3rd round.
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You won't be able to get anywhere near Mettenberger or Murray in round 3. They could both easily go in the first round. Last year, maybe top 10. Mettenberger could end up in the top 10 THIS year.
Wow, not impressed with Mariota's day? You guys are a tough crowd!
It's one helluva class. I could see Teddy Football, Tajh, Mariota, Hundley, Mettenberger, and Murray in the first round easily. Murray is making NFL throws, answering all the questions about his arm.
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I think CLE will pick up Mettenberger or Carr in the mid-2nd.
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I'm watching the Oregon-Washington game to see what Mariota is about and I'm not superimpressed. Don't know if it is the routes being called or the defense but it seems like he holds onto the ball for an extended period of time. Luckily he has the legs to get himself out of pressure after holding onto the ball too long. He does have some nice throws.
- I don't think we will do bad enough to get Bridgewater and will only have a chance if we trade up which is going to cost a lot. The asking price is going to be at least what Washington gave St Louis for RGIII.
- Though he has skill and makes things happen I don't want Manziel, don't want the drama.
- We might have a chance at Hundly. I haven't seen him play but everyone seems to be pretty high on him.
- Murray (UGA), McCarron ('Bama) and Mettenberger (LSU) I wouldn't project to be franchise QBs and wouldn't take any earlier than the 3rd round.
I'm watching the Oregon-Washington game to see what Mariota is about and I'm not superimpressed. Don't know if it is the routes being called or the defense but it seems like he holds onto the ball for an extended period of time. Luckily he has the legs to get himself out of pressure after holding onto the ball too long. He does have some nice throws.
- I don't think we will do bad enough to get Bridgewater and will only have a chance if we trade up which is going to cost a lot. The asking price is going to be at least what Washington gave St Louis for RGIII.
- Though he has skill and makes things happen I don't want Manziel, don't want the drama.
- We might have a chance at Hundly. I haven't seen him play but everyone seems to be pretty high on him.
- Murray (UGA), McCarron ('Bama) and Mettenberger (LSU) I wouldn't project to be franchise QBs and wouldn't take any earlier than the 3rd round.
Nah, Hundley's a Top 3 QB. JAC, OAK, TB, AZ and maybe TEN & PIT will be looking at QBs. If Freeman/Cassel fail, you can add MIN to that list. CLE has won their way out of the blockbuster QBs.
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You won't be able to get anywhere near Mettenberger or Murray in round 3. They could both easily go in the first round. Last year, maybe top 10. Mettenberger could end up in the top 10 THIS year.
Wow, not impressed with Mariota's day? You guys are a tough crowd!
It's one helluva class. I could see Teddy Football, Tajh, Mariota, Hundley, Mettenberger, and Murray in the first round easily. Murray is making NFL throws, answering all the questions about his arm.
You won't be able to get anywhere near Mettenberger or Murray in round 3. They could both easily go in the first round. Last year, maybe top 10. Mettenberger could end up in the top 10 THIS year.
Wow, not impressed with Mariota's day? You guys are a tough crowd!
It's one helluva class. I could see Teddy Football, Tajh, Mariota, Hundley, Mettenberger, and Murray in the first round easily. Murray is making NFL throws, answering all the questions about his arm.
Calm down, 1\2 of them will bust. Even Bridgewater by all accounts isn't in the Andrew Luck- RG III class. WHO is the UCLA QB? Hundley looks ho-hum.
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You won't be able to get anywhere near Mettenberger or Murray in round 3. They could both easily go in the first round. Last year, maybe top 10. Mettenberger could end up in the top 10 THIS year.
Wow, not impressed with Mariota's day? You guys are a tough crowd!
It's one helluva class. I could see Teddy Football, Tajh, Mariota, Hundley, Mettenberger, and Murray in the first round easily. Murray is making NFL throws, answering all the questions about his arm.
Calm down, 1\2 of them will bust. Even Bridgewater by all accounts isn't in the Andrew Luck- RG III class. WHO is the UCLA QB? Hundley looks ho-hum.
Calm down, 1\2 of them will bust. Even Bridgewater by all accounts isn't in the Andrew Luck- RG III class. WHO is the UCLA QB? Hundley looks ho-hum.
agreed. watched the QB from mizzou make murray look like shit. bridgewater looks like he's 15. i'll keep looking for that 'one' QB that has me jumping up and down in the first round though.
BTW shep, what's been your draft grade in the last 3 years QB wise?
just askin.
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It's an excellent class. We got some QB hatahs in the hizzouse!!
But it's good for the Browns, 'cuz they're looking for one. I really like Hoyer (so does Ryan Clark apparently... yikes), but there's no chance that'll stop the Browns from drafting a QB high up.
After Bridgewater, I'd be looking at Tajh myself.
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I'm watching the Oregon-Washington game to see what Mariota is about and I'm not superimpressed. Don't know if it is the routes being called or the defense but it seems like he holds onto the ball for an extended period of time. Luckily he has the legs to get himself out of pressure after holding onto the ball too long. He does have some nice throws.
- I don't think we will do bad enough to get Bridgewater and will only have a chance if we trade up which is going to cost a lot. The asking price is going to be at least what Washington gave St Louis for RGIII.
- Though he has skill and makes things happen I don't want Manziel, don't want the drama.
- We might have a chance at Hundly. I haven't seen him play but everyone seems to be pretty high on him.
- Murray (UGA), McCarron ('Bama) and Mettenberger (LSU) I wouldn't project to be franchise QBs and wouldn't take any earlier than the 3rd round.
Nah, Hundley's a Top 3 QB. JAC, OAK, TB, AZ and maybe TEN & PIT will be looking at QBs. If Freeman/Cassel fail, you can add MIN to that list. CLE has won their way out of the blockbuster QBs.
Nah, Hundley's a Top 3 QB. JAC, OAK, TB, AZ and maybe TEN & PIT will be looking at QBs. If Freeman/Cassel fail, you can add MIN to that list. CLE has won their way out of the blockbuster QBs.
don't be surprised if the giants aren't in that mix.
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Guys, that's why the Browns added another first round pick. They said as much. They have a shitload of extra picks to move up in the draft and get their guy. I think everybody knows that's the plan. If it's a secret, it's the worst kept secret in the NFL.
If the Browns have the 14th and 24th picks in the first round, they also have an extra 3rd round pick. Those three can get you up around #5-ish... and they'll still pick in every round.
Plus, in a QB draft this deep, even moving up to 8th would give them a lot of choices. Not everybody's pickin' a QB.
Oakland, Pittsburgh, and Tennessee? Who said that? No, none of those teams will be picking quarterbacks in round 1. Jax, TB, and Cleveland? The obvious three. I'd slot Bridgewater, Mariota, and Boyd in some order.
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Nah, Hundley's a Top 3 QB. JAC, OAK, TB, AZ and maybe TEN & PIT will be looking at QBs. If Freeman/Cassel fail, you can add MIN to that list. CLE has won their way out of the blockbuster QBs.
don't be surprised if the giants aren't in that mix.
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Guys, that's why the Browns added another first round pick. They said as much. They have a shitload of extra picks to move up in the draft and get their guy. I think everybody knows that's the plan. If it's a secret, it's the worst kept secret in the NFL.
If the Browns have the 14th and 24th picks in the first round, they also have an extra 3rd round pick. Those three can get you up around #5-ish... and they'll still pick in every round.
Plus, in a QB draft this deep, even moving up to 8th would give them a lot of choices. Not everybody's pickin' a QB.
Oakland, Pittsburgh, and Tennessee? Who said that? No, none of those teams will be picking quarterbacks in round 1. Jax, TB, and Cleveland? The obvious three. I'd slot Bridgewater, Mariota, and Boyd in some order.
Guys, that's why the Browns added another first round pick. They said as much. They have a shitload of extra picks to move up in the draft and get their guy. I think everybody knows that's the plan. If it's a secret, it's the worst kept secret in the NFL.
If the Browns have the 14th and 24th picks in the first round, they also have an extra 3rd round pick. Those three can get you up around #5-ish... and they'll still pick in every round.
Plus, in a QB draft this deep, even moving up to 8th would give them a lot of choices. Not everybody's pickin' a QB.
Oakland, Pittsburgh, and Tennessee? Who said that? No, none of those teams will be picking quarterbacks in round 1. Jax, TB, and Cleveland? The obvious three. I'd slot Bridgewater, Mariota, and Boyd in some order.
PIT: might be looking into a Big Ben-less future
OAK: Flynn tanked, Pryor might tank too
TEN: wouldn't shock me, if Locker has some serious long term effects
Plus, you forgot AZ and MIN.
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I gotta remember to bookmark this page so when we trade our 2nd and 3rd picks to move up and take boyd and he turns out to be dumber and slower in the pocket than the biggest DA fan in the world (shep) we can just blast it in his face everyday.
yet again i hope he's right. who cares about who's right and wrong just as long as the browns are winning.
HEY we might not even pick QB next year. i think shep would go through the ceiling if that happened.
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Who even said Bridgewater, Mariota, Manziel, or Hundley are even going to enter the draft this year? Bridgewater is a junior, and the rest are RS Sophomores.
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just another topic of stoopid discussion considering we are all GMs and such.
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out of watching these qbs since hearing the discussion of us having to draft ANOTHER 'franchise' QB i'd have to say i'm most impressed with mariota from oregon. even though i was impressed with what johnny football did yesterday, mariota has got skills. major skills.
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Who even said Bridgewater, Mariota, Manziel, or Hundley are even going to enter the draft this year? Bridgewater is a junior, and the rest are RS Sophomores.
Who even said Bridgewater, Mariota, Manziel, or Hundley are even going to enter the draft this year? Bridgewater is a junior, and the rest are RS Sophomores.
I think they are going to come out because they don't want to risk what happened to Matt Barkley. They don't want to come back for another year in CFB and risk injury or a bad season to hurt their draft status.
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I gotta remember to bookmark this page so when we trade our 2nd and 3rd picks to move up and take boyd and he turns out to be dumber and slower in the pocket than the biggest DA fan in the world (shep) we can just blast it in his face everyday.
yet again i hope he's right. who cares about who's right and wrong just as long as the browns are winning.
HEY we might not even pick QB next year. i think shep would go through the ceiling if that happened.
Well, a few things: First, are you saying I was a DA fan? I wasn't. I was a Quinn Queer or whatever we called it. Actually, you squeezed so much wrong into a brief post, I'll have to use numbers:
1. Boyd slower than DA anywhere, including the pocket, makes no sense. I'm not even sure how to respond.
2. I don't know if it was you, but somebody wrote here that they watched Mariota yesterday and were "meh." Uh, while he was going 24 of 31 for 366 and 3/0 plus 88 yards rushing and a TD. Against a D that had allowed 2 passing TDs all season. I assume that person was kidding about actually watching the game and didn't get a chance to glance at the highlights or box score either (!).
3. Quality starting quarterbacks aren't Yeti. They come out every year. Last year was a "bad" QB draft but it's produced two day one starters. The Jets are 3-2 with Geno and he just had a breakout game. Manuel was playing excellent football until he was hurt. Neither one of those teams has any regrets about the picks. A few other teams regret NOT picking them, though.
4. This is a better QB draft and more likely to have 5, even 6 guys picked in the first 35 or so. The only think holding them back is there aren't that many teams looking. Oakland loves Pryor and he's showing a serious growth arc (like Geno). Tennessee loves Locker. While Pittsburgh and Arizona could indeed draft QBs, they have the luxury of developing them so it won't be in round one. Maybe two but not one. Vikings signed Freeman so we'll see how that goes.
As far as the teams likely to go QB in the top 10, it's Jax, TB, Cleveland.
5. I won't throw a hissy of any kind if the Browns don't draft a quarterback... because this brass knows full well and expresses it almost daily: It's a quarterback league and everything else on the agenda falls miles below finding a great one or one that can become great. So it'll mean they found him some other way. I would keep the name Nick Foles in mind. I was shocked he went so low (round 3) and now it has a lot of people scratching their heads. Would Chip alter his world view for Foles? I doubt it... but anywhere else, he's a legit NFL starter.
6. BUT... as Grossi wrote just today, the Richardson trade was more about Weeden. Granted, it happened before Hoyer... which happened before Hoyer blew out his knee before he had time to prove very much. The Browns traded Trent to make sure they got a "franchise quarterback" in the next draft. Same reason they addd third and fourth round picks. I think there's literally a 97.7% chance we draft a quarterback as our highest pick.
7. You got a mean streak on you, pal. Never makes life easier or more fun but that's up to you.
I gotta remember to bookmark this page so when we trade our 2nd and 3rd picks to move up and take boyd and he turns out to be dumber and slower in the pocket than the biggest DA fan in the world (shep) we can just blast it in his face everyday.
yet again i hope he's right. who cares about who's right and wrong just as long as the browns are winning.
HEY we might not even pick QB next year. i think shep would go through the ceiling if that happened.
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