start Campbell

[Zombo]

@usfbrown said:

Don't know how much of an upgrade Captain Underhand throw is over Sargent Shovel Pass is

Lol ... tell me this franchise is not cursed. Tell me.

Zombo

[Browns149]

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@djdawg2010 said:

Despite Holmgren and his collecting a huge payday while doing nothing to improve this team, this front office will move quickly to undo the mistakes of the previous regime. This ain't Randy Lerner's team anymore! Thank God for that too! At any rate, it was a waste to draft Richardson, and even more of a waste to draft Weeden in the first round! Holmgren sucked as GM in Seattle! Good coach? Yes! Horrible in the front office.

If they want to move quickly, then benching Weeden is their only option. They brought in Hoyer and Campbell. Hoyer's gone so it's got to be Campbell

[Westside Steve]

Good point. I really hated it when Weeden committed pass interference in the red zone...

WSS

[djdawg2010]

@browns149 said:

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If they want to move quickly, then benching Weeden is their only option. They brought in Hoyer and Campbell. Hoyer's gone so it's got to be Campbell

I agree. Campbell is not a long term solution, but he is a 9 year veteran and we have a good offensive coordinator. Even he can't be as dumb as Weeden!

[Zombo]

@westside-steve said:

Good point. I really hated it when Weeden committed pass interference in the red zone...

WSS

How bout when Joe Haden threw a shovel pass to a linebacker on first down?

[hammertime]

that was painfull to watch.

its probably impossible to regain any support from your team, media and fans after that display of sheer dumbness..

even as as a back up it'll be tough to even be around this guy. Weeden had an opportunity to step up and all he did was step in a pile of crap.

he displayed that he not only does not have what it takes for the NFL but that he never will.

there may be a way to salvage the season but I doubt campell is gonna last for 10 games. be interesting to see who they pick up.

[Tour2ma]

Zombo said:

Flip flop?

So I was 5 weeks too late...

Hate to think what my face would look at under similar circumstance...

Say what you like about Wheezy, but he stands in there. At least two of his better passes in the game were delivered just before getting rocked by one of the Lions' D-linemen.

[The Italian DawgPound]

Zombo said:

Holmgren is the fucking idiot that went Richardson/Weeden. He can own it. Move on.

Z

Exactly. We're a much better team this year. We just need to get rid of the last dumb moves made by the former regime.

Future is bright after we've done that.

[Zombo]

@tour2ma said:

So I was 5 weeks too late...

Hate to think what my face would look at under similar circumstance...

Say what you like about Wheezy, but he stands in there. At least two of his better passes in the game were delivered just before getting rocked by one of the Lions' D-linemen.

Technically, I think a "flip-flop" is when you support a guy, give up on him, and then go back to him. Brandon and I are through.

I will root for him as long as he is a Brown, but I don't ever see him being "the guy" in Cleveland. My mind was made up after his 16th start, I'd seen enough. Nice that you figured it out earlier, I guess this season would be easier to swallow had I.

It would have been a lot of fun to see what Hoyer could do this year. Now we have two slow thinkers with big arms. I'm in favor of starting the one that didn't throw what the internet has now proclaimed to be "The Worst Interception in the History of the NFL."

Z

[The Italian DawgPound]

Yesterday I thought Weeden was good...until it started being very bad...

I say it again: retire jersey no. 3! After DA and BW...no more dumb QBs with that jersey.

[djdawg2010]

Zombo said:

Technically, I think a "flip-flop" is when you support a guy, give up on him, and then go back to him. Brandon and I are through.

I will root for him as long as he is a Brown, but I don't ever see him being "the guy" in Cleveland. My mind was made up after his 16th start, I'd seen enough. Nice that you figured it out earlier, I guess this season would be easier to swallow had I.

It would have been a lot of fun to see what Hoyer could do this year. Now we have two slow thinkers with big arms. I'm in favor of starting the one that didn't throw what the internet has now proclaimed to be "The Worst Interception in the History of the NFL."

Z

I'm inclined to agree with your last statement. Bury Weeden's ass on the bench! The guy is lost out there!

[Westside Steve]

True enough Z.

Still the Lions marched down the field at will for the entire second half. I doubt Campbell or Hoyer would have won the game.

WSS

[D Bone]

@westside-steve said:

True enough Z.

Still the Lions marched down the field at will for the entire second half. I doubt Campbell or Hoyer would have won the game.

WSS

Up 14pts, Hoyer would've won the game. If you, I and all of us fans feel uneasy and lack confidence when Brandy is under center, imagine how the players and coaches feel. With a 14pt lead and a half to play, Brian under center wins that game 10/10 times.

[bonedawg]

What's Derek Anderson doing these days? Chud has a bromance with him.

[BrownsKidd]

@bonedawg said:

What's Derek Anderson doing these days? Chud has a bromance with him.

Is he still in Carolina behind... oh what's his face.. you know... the guy that was supposed to be great.

And actually.. I will take Anderson as well.

[djdawg2010]

@bonedawg said:

What's Derek Anderson doing these days? Chud has a bromance with him.

@brownskidd said:

Is he still in Carolina behind... oh what's his face.. you know... the guy that was supposed to be great.

And actually.. I will take Anderson as well.

How desperate are we that we as Browns fans are asking for Derek Anderson to come back?

[Browns149]

@djdawg2010 said:

How desperate are we that we as Browns fans are asking for Derek Anderson to come back?

VERY desperate

[djdawg2010]

@browns149 said:

VERY desperate

It couldn't be any worse I suppose? I do know one thing, I've seen enough of Brandon Weeden! What a wasted pick! At least it isn't this current regime that drafted this guy! You really have to wonder what in the Hell Mike Holmgren was thinking last year? IMO That fat fuck sat here and collected a big payday and did jack shit to improve the team! In fact the ONLY pick that I liked last year was Gordon in the supplemental draft.

[Zombo]

@westside-steve said:

True enough Z.

Still the Lions marched down the field at will for the entire second half. I doubt Campbell or Hoyer would have won the game.

WSS

The defense let us down, but I think Hoyer wins that game. Holding the Lions to seven in the first half would have been enough for to keep us in the lead throughout the game, IMO.

Here is our second half drive chart:

Cleveland Browns at 15:00

6-S.Martin kicks 65 yards from DET 35 to end zone, Touchback. Kick out of the endzone.

1-10-CLE 20

(15:00) PENALTY on CLE-84-J.Cameron, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at CLE 20 - No Play.

1-15-CLE 15

(15:00) (Shotgun) 26-W.McGahee left guard to CLE 17 for 2 yards (55-S.Tulloch; 9-M.Stafford).

2-13-CLE 17

(14:26) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short right to 25-C.Ogbonnaya to CLE 20 for 3 yards (98-N.Fairley).

3-10-CLE 20

(13:46) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 25-C.Ogbonnaya to CLE 29 for 9 yards (28-D.Bentley; 23-C.Houston).

4-1-CLE 29

(13:04) (Punt formation) 5-S.Lanning punts 50 yards to DET 21, Center-57-C.Yount, fair catch by 15-M.Spurlock.

Cleveland Browns at 08:57

6-S.Martin kicks 72 yards from DET 35 to CLE -7. 18-G.Little, Touchback.

1-10-CLE 20

(8:57) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass incomplete deep right to 18-G.Little.

2-10-CLE 20

(8:54) PENALTY on DET-90-N.Suh, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards, enforced at CLE 20 - No Play.

2-5-CLE 25

(8:54) 12-J.Gordon left end to CLE 25 for no gain (54-D.Levy). end around

3-5-CLE 25

(8:14) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden scrambles left tackle to CLE 26 for 1 yard (90-N.Suh).

4-4-CLE 26

(7:34) (Punt formation) 5-S.Lanning punts 44 yards to DET 30, Center-57-C.Yount. 15-M.Spurlock to DET 41 for 11 yards (58-B.Magee). PENALTY on DET-32-D.Carey, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DET 41.

Cleveland Browns at 01:40

1-10-CLE 30

(1:40) 26-W.McGahee left guard to CLE 32 for 2 yards (99-C.Mosley).

2-8-CLE 32

(1:05) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short right to 82-G.Barnidge to CLE 30 for -2 yards (27-G.Quin; 30-D.Slay) [55-S.Tulloch].

3-10-CLE 30

(1:05) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden sacked at CLE 21 for -9 yards (79-W.Young).

END QUARTER 3

4th Quarter

Cleveland Browns continues ...

4-19-CLE 21

(15:00) (Punt formation) 5-S.Lanning punts 48 yards to DET 31, Center-57-C.Yount. 15-M.Spurlock to DET 33 for 2 yards (59-T.Carder).

Cleveland Browns at 10:35

6-S.Martin kicks 73 yards from DET 35 to CLE -8. 18-G.Little, Touchback.

1-10-CLE 20

(10:35) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 12-J.Gordon to CLE 34 for 14 yards (26-L.Delmas).

1-10-CLE 34

(9:57) 3-B.Weeden pass incomplete deep right [98-N.Fairley]. PENALTY on CLE-3-B.Weeden, Intentional Grounding, 10 yards, enforced at CLE 34.

2-20-CLE 24

(9:57) (Shotgun) PENALTY on CLE-84-J.Cameron, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at CLE 24 - No Play.

2-25-CLE 19

(9:49) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass incomplete deep right to 18-G.Little. Play Challenged by CLE and Upheld. (Timeout #1.)

3-25-CLE 19

(9:41) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 25-C.Ogbonnaya to CLE 32 for 13 yards (23-C.Houston).

4-12-CLE 32

(9:05) 5-S.Lanning punts 44 yards to DET 24, Center-57-C.Yount. 15-M.Spurlock to DET 26 for 2 yards (96-P.Hazel; 59-T.Carder). PENALTY on CLE-24-J.Bademosi, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced at DET 26.

Cleveland Browns at 06:04

6-S.Martin kicks 70 yards from DET 35 to CLE -5. 18-G.Little to CLE 16 for 21 yards (30-D.Slay).

1-10-CLE 16

(5:59) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 12-J.Gordon to CLE 31 for 15 yards (23-C.Houston).

1-10-CLE 31

(5:37) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass incomplete short right to 80-T.Benjamin (28-D.Bentley).

2-10-CLE 31

(5:31) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 84-J.Cameron to CLE 38 for 7 yards (23-C.Houston).

3-3-CLE 38

(5:11) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short right to 12-J.Gordon to DET 44 for 18 yards (55-S.Tulloch).

1-10-DET 44

(4:44) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left intended for 25-C.Ogbonnaya INTERCEPTED by 54-D.Levy at CLE 49. 54-D.Levy ran ob at CLE 49 for no gain.

Cleveland Browns at 02:01

6-S.Martin kicks 72 yards from DET 35 to CLE -7. 35-F.Whittaker, Touchback.

1-10-CLE 20

(2:01) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 18-G.Little to CLE 30 for 10 yards (30-D.Slay).

Two-Minute Warning

1-10-CLE 30

(1:54) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass incomplete short right to 25-C.Ogbonnaya.

2-10-CLE 30

(1:50) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass incomplete short left to 25-C.Ogbonnaya.

3-10-CLE 30

(1:45) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short right to 84-J.Cameron to CLE 39 for 9 yards (28-D.Bentley; 55-S.Tulloch).

4-1-CLE 39

(1:17) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 25-C.Ogbonnaya right guard to CLE 45 for 6 yards (79-W.Young).

1-10-CLE 45

(:57) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short middle to 25-C.Ogbonnaya to DET 40 for 15 yards (54-D.Levy).

1-10-DET 40

(:57) 3-B.Weeden spiked the ball to stop the clock.

2-10-DET 40

(:41) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden sacked at CLE 46 for -14 yards (92-D.Taylor). FUMBLES (92-D.Taylor), recovered by CLE at CLE 46.

3-24-CLE 46

(:26) 3-B.Weeden pass short right to 84-J.Cameron to DET 21 for 33 yards (54-D.Levy).

1-10-DET 21

(:17) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass incomplete deep right to 18-G.Little. DET-27-G.Quin was injured during the play. His return is Doubtful.

2-10-DET 21

(:17) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 15-D.Bess ran ob at DET 9 for 12 yards (28-D.Bentley).

1-9-DET 9

(:05) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 84-J.Cameron to DET 8 for 1 yard (54-D.Levy).

END GAME

[Browns149]

I know the game was over, but how does an NFL QB throw a 1 yard pass when they are on the 9 yard line on the last play of the game?