start Campbell
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What's Derek Anderson doing these days? Chud has a bromance with him.
Is he still in Carolina behind... oh what's his face.. you know... the guy that was supposed to be great.
And actually.. I will take Anderson as well.
How desperate are we that we as Browns fans are asking for Derek Anderson to come back?
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What's Derek Anderson doing these days? Chud has a bromance with him.
Is he still in Carolina behind... oh what's his face.. you know... the guy that was supposed to be great.
And actually.. I will take Anderson as well.
How desperate are we that we as Browns fans are asking for Derek Anderson to come back?
How desperate are we that we as Browns fans are asking for Derek Anderson to come back?
VERY desperate
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How desperate are we that we as Browns fans are asking for Derek Anderson to come back?
VERY desperate
VERY desperate
It couldn't be any worse I suppose? I do know one thing, I've seen enough of Brandon Weeden! What a wasted pick! At least it isn't this current regime that drafted this guy! You really have to wonder what in the Hell Mike Holmgren was thinking last year? IMO That fat fuck sat here and collected a big payday and did jack shit to improve the team! In fact the ONLY pick that I liked last year was Gordon in the supplemental draft.
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True enough Z.
Still the Lions marched down the field at will for the entire second half. I doubt Campbell or Hoyer would have won the game.
WSS
True enough Z.
Still the Lions marched down the field at will for the entire second half. I doubt Campbell or Hoyer would have won the game.
WSS
The defense let us down, but I think Hoyer wins that game. Holding the Lions to seven in the first half would have been enough for to keep us in the lead throughout the game, IMO.
Here is our second half drive chart:
Cleveland Browns at 15:006-S.Martin kicks 65 yards from DET 35 to end zone, Touchback. Kick out of the endzone.1-10-CLE 20(15:00) PENALTY on CLE-84-J.Cameron, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at CLE 20 - No Play.1-15-CLE 15(15:00) (Shotgun) 26-W.McGahee left guard to CLE 17 for 2 yards (55-S.Tulloch; 9-M.Stafford).2-13-CLE 17(14:26) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short right to 25-C.Ogbonnaya to CLE 20 for 3 yards (98-N.Fairley).3-10-CLE 20(13:46) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 25-C.Ogbonnaya to CLE 29 for 9 yards (28-D.Bentley; 23-C.Houston).4-1-CLE 29(13:04) (Punt formation) 5-S.Lanning punts 50 yards to DET 21, Center-57-C.Yount, fair catch by 15-M.Spurlock.Cleveland Browns at 08:576-S.Martin kicks 72 yards from DET 35 to CLE -7. 18-G.Little, Touchback.1-10-CLE 20(8:57) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass incomplete deep right to 18-G.Little.2-10-CLE 20(8:54) PENALTY on DET-90-N.Suh, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards, enforced at CLE 20 - No Play.2-5-CLE 25(8:54) 12-J.Gordon left end to CLE 25 for no gain (54-D.Levy). end around3-5-CLE 25(8:14) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden scrambles left tackle to CLE 26 for 1 yard (90-N.Suh).4-4-CLE 26(7:34) (Punt formation) 5-S.Lanning punts 44 yards to DET 30, Center-57-C.Yount. 15-M.Spurlock to DET 41 for 11 yards (58-B.Magee). PENALTY on DET-32-D.Carey, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DET 41.Cleveland Browns at 01:401-10-CLE 30(1:40) 26-W.McGahee left guard to CLE 32 for 2 yards (99-C.Mosley).2-8-CLE 32(1:05) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short right to 82-G.Barnidge to CLE 30 for -2 yards (27-G.Quin; 30-D.Slay) [55-S.Tulloch].3-10-CLE 30(1:05) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden sacked at CLE 21 for -9 yards (79-W.Young).END QUARTER 34th QuarterCleveland Browns continues ...4-19-CLE 21(15:00) (Punt formation) 5-S.Lanning punts 48 yards to DET 31, Center-57-C.Yount. 15-M.Spurlock to DET 33 for 2 yards (59-T.Carder).Cleveland Browns at 10:356-S.Martin kicks 73 yards from DET 35 to CLE -8. 18-G.Little, Touchback.1-10-CLE 20(10:35) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 12-J.Gordon to CLE 34 for 14 yards (26-L.Delmas).1-10-CLE 34(9:57) 3-B.Weeden pass incomplete deep right [98-N.Fairley]. PENALTY on CLE-3-B.Weeden, Intentional Grounding, 10 yards, enforced at CLE 34.2-20-CLE 24(9:57) (Shotgun) PENALTY on CLE-84-J.Cameron, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at CLE 24 - No Play.2-25-CLE 19(9:49) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass incomplete deep right to 18-G.Little. Play Challenged by CLE and Upheld. (Timeout #1.)3-25-CLE 19(9:41) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 25-C.Ogbonnaya to CLE 32 for 13 yards (23-C.Houston).4-12-CLE 32(9:05) 5-S.Lanning punts 44 yards to DET 24, Center-57-C.Yount. 15-M.Spurlock to DET 26 for 2 yards (96-P.Hazel; 59-T.Carder). PENALTY on CLE-24-J.Bademosi, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced at DET 26.Cleveland Browns at 06:046-S.Martin kicks 70 yards from DET 35 to CLE -5. 18-G.Little to CLE 16 for 21 yards (30-D.Slay).1-10-CLE 16(5:59) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 12-J.Gordon to CLE 31 for 15 yards (23-C.Houston).1-10-CLE 31(5:37) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass incomplete short right to 80-T.Benjamin (28-D.Bentley).2-10-CLE 31(5:31) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 84-J.Cameron to CLE 38 for 7 yards (23-C.Houston).3-3-CLE 38(5:11) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short right to 12-J.Gordon to DET 44 for 18 yards (55-S.Tulloch).1-10-DET 44(4:44) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left intended for 25-C.Ogbonnaya INTERCEPTED by 54-D.Levy at CLE 49. 54-D.Levy ran ob at CLE 49 for no gain.Cleveland Browns at 02:016-S.Martin kicks 72 yards from DET 35 to CLE -7. 35-F.Whittaker, Touchback.1-10-CLE 20(2:01) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 18-G.Little to CLE 30 for 10 yards (30-D.Slay).Two-Minute Warning1-10-CLE 30(1:54) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass incomplete short right to 25-C.Ogbonnaya.2-10-CLE 30(1:50) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass incomplete short left to 25-C.Ogbonnaya.3-10-CLE 30(1:45) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short right to 84-J.Cameron to CLE 39 for 9 yards (28-D.Bentley; 55-S.Tulloch).4-1-CLE 39(1:17) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 25-C.Ogbonnaya right guard to CLE 45 for 6 yards (79-W.Young).1-10-CLE 45(:57) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short middle to 25-C.Ogbonnaya to DET 40 for 15 yards (54-D.Levy).1-10-DET 40(:57) 3-B.Weeden spiked the ball to stop the clock.2-10-DET 40(:41) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden sacked at CLE 46 for -14 yards (92-D.Taylor). FUMBLES (92-D.Taylor), recovered by CLE at CLE 46.3-24-CLE 46(:26) 3-B.Weeden pass short right to 84-J.Cameron to DET 21 for 33 yards (54-D.Levy).1-10-DET 21(:17) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass incomplete deep right to 18-G.Little. DET-27-G.Quin was injured during the play. His return is Doubtful.2-10-DET 21(:17) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 15-D.Bess ran ob at DET 9 for 12 yards (28-D.Bentley).1-9-DET 9(:05) (Shotgun) 3-B.Weeden pass short left to 84-J.Cameron to DET 8 for 1 yard (54-D.Levy).END GAME -
I know the game was over, but how does an NFL QB throw a 1 yard pass when they are on the 9 yard line on the last play of the game?
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Drive chart notwithstanding the Lions went to the well 3 times and luckily Stafford threw an interception in the endzone. Look I wish Weeden wouldn't have thrown the interception. But you can't let teams like the Lions run all over you. And we are getting a little bit Kelly Holcomb esque about Hoyer Yeah I'd like to see him succeed but who the hell knows.
But no matter what happens next season you guys will be booing Bridgewater or McCarron off the field too.
or Hoyer after his first two interceptions game.
WSS
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Good point. I really hated it when Weeden committed pass interference in the red zone...
WSS
Good point. I really hated it when Weeden committed pass interference in the red zone...
WSS
Weeden committed just as much PI as Haden did on that play.
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Good point. I really hated it when Weeden committed pass interference in the red zone...
WSS
Good point. I really hated it when Weeden committed pass interference in the red zone...
WSS
Did you watch any of the Patriots-Saints game? Compared to the ticky-tack calls that got the Lions their first TD, Graham and Colston were getting mugged on virtually EVERY play, saw at least 8 plays that should have been called at least illegal contact or PI. BTW, that late hit on Stafford penalty was BS too.
How desperate are we that we as Browns fans are asking for Derek Anderson to come back?
Even at this worst, was DA this bad?
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I know the game was over, but how does an NFL QB throw a 1 yard pass when they are on the 9 yard line on the last play of the game?
I know the game was over, but how does an NFL QB throw a 1 yard pass when they are on the 9 yard line on the last play of the game?
That just put a bow on things, didn't it?
Zombo
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True enough Z.
Still the Lions marched down the field at will for the entire second half. I doubt Campbell or Hoyer would have won the game.
WSS
In today's league, by design, good offense beats good defense. The "defense" is to keep up, which requires a quarterback who can duel a suddenly hot Matt Stafford.
We don't have that. Take this team, as is, trade QBs? We win. I know you're all tired of me saying it, but that's the NFL today.
True enough Z.
Still the Lions marched down the field at will for the entire second half. I doubt Campbell or Hoyer would have won the game.
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Sad he was having a decent game till then too. Till that stupid ass pass this game was soley on the coaching staff. Weeden bailed the coaches out to having to shoulder this loss.
Sad he was having a decent game till then too. Till that stupid ass pass this game was soley on the coaching staff. Weeden bailed the coaches out to having to shoulder this loss.
ehhhh, not sure how good a game he was really having. The balls didn't get intercepted which is why no one remembers those throws but he made at least two passes during the game that had he thrown the ball right would have been scores. One of them would have no question been a TD but it would have gotten called back on the penalty anyway. The one where he overthrew possibly the fastest man in the NFL right now by a couple yards streaking down a sideline route with nothing but Cleveland lakeside real estate infront of him....that one made me look up at the sky. He did the same exact thing with obgannaya the other week. Average qb's make that mistake "maybe" once a year. Open receivers streaking down the sideline are some of the easiest throws for a qb to make because the receiver is running almost directly away from him. I can understand timing issues with some of these speed freaks streaking across the middle and you have a miniscule window to fit the ball in so that he doesn't have to stretch for the ball and get killed but also keep it away from the CB's and LB'ers flashing through your throwing lane. I get those mistakes. He just doesn't understand his receivers at all. He's had last years camp, preseason and full regular season and also this years. If he doesn't understand how to throw the ball to his guys by now he's not going to.
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btw for those that doubt it, there's no way Hoyer loses that game. Weedon left at least 7-14 points on the board. If Hoyer had 120 yds on the ground behind him from our RB's, he easily gets us another TD or two just in the 1st half. Can't speculate how he would have done in the 2nd once Detroit makes their adjustments....but 1st half for sure Hoyer gets us more points. And who knows that could have broken the Lions going into the 2nd half. Hoyer would have kept our Defense fresher for sure. Alot of the front 7 seven guys were sucking wind in the 4th quarter...which is why Groves saw alot more snaps yesterday.
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Sad he was having a decent game till then too. Till that stupid ass pass this game was soley on the coaching staff. Weeden bailed the coaches out to having to shoulder this loss.
ehhhh, not sure how good a game he was really having. The balls didn't get intercepted which is why no one remembers those throws but he made at least two passes during the game that had he thrown the ball right would have been scores. One of them would have no question been a TD but it would have gotten called back on the penalty anyway. The one where he overthrew possibly the fastest man in the NFL right now by a couple yards streaking down a sideline route with nothing but Cleveland lakeside real estate infront of him....that one made me look up at the sky. He did the same exact thing with obgannaya the other week. Average qb's make that mistake "maybe" once a year. Open receivers streaking down the sideline are some of the easiest throws for a qb to make because the receiver is running almost directly away from him. I can understand timing issues with some of these speed freaks streaking across the middle and you have a miniscule window to fit the ball in so that he doesn't have to stretch for the ball and get killed but also keep it away from the CB's and LB'ers flashing through your throwing lane. I get those mistakes. He just doesn't understand his receivers at all. He's had last years camp, preseason and full regular season and also this years. If he doesn't understand how to throw the ball to his guys by now he's not going to.
ehhhh, not sure how good a game he was really having. The balls didn't get intercepted which is why no one remembers those throws but he made at least two passes during the game that had he thrown the ball right would have been scores. One of them would have no question been a TD but it would have gotten called back on the penalty anyway. The one where he overthrew possibly the fastest man in the NFL right now by a couple yards streaking down a sideline route with nothing but Cleveland lakeside real estate infront of him....that one made me look up at the sky. He did the same exact thing with obgannaya the other week. Average qb's make that mistake "maybe" once a year. Open receivers streaking down the sideline are some of the easiest throws for a qb to make because the receiver is running almost directly away from him. I can understand timing issues with some of these speed freaks streaking across the middle and you have a miniscule window to fit the ball in so that he doesn't have to stretch for the ball and get killed but also keep it away from the CB's and LB'ers flashing through your throwing lane. I get those mistakes. He just doesn't understand his receivers at all. He's had last years camp, preseason and full regular season and also this years. If he doesn't understand how to throw the ball to his guys by now he's not going to.
I agree. I gave him a pass last year, only because we had a moron for a head coach and I thought that maybe this year with 2 offensive minded coaches like Chud, and Norv along with Gordon, Cameron and Bess it would make a difference. But from what I'm seeing even someone like Jerry Rice couldn't help this fool!
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It's too bad btw that I wasn't at this board last year, I got torched at another board after the Philly game which was Weedens first game. He didn't pass the sniff test that game although his stats weren't terrible. I mentioned that there seems to be some serious issues with certain throws, for instance Weeden cannot throw over the top of LB'ers but infront of the secondary. I got blown up for about 3 or so weeks before people were like hey...maybe there is something wrong here. Took till the end of the season before people were like holy fucking christ he's throwing perfect strikes to the other teams secondary. I bring this up cause you see the exact same and i mean "exact" same procedural errors in his game that you saw on DAY FUCKING 1!! I don't know if you all remember but our D line chased Vick all over the field that game, he was literally running for his life after every snap. That was a game we should have won but rookie Weeds got a major pass from the Cleveland media. Then he comes back the next week and again throws for near 300 yds but was still making those errors and misreads that eventually defense's are going to sodomize you on.
Moral of the story is that the "sniff" test is not entirely invalid. It works on the underwear so I see no reason why that doesn't translate to evaluating football talent. lols
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It's too bad btw that I wasn't at this board last year, I got torched at another board after the Philly game which was Weedens first game. He didn't pass the sniff test that game although his stats weren't terrible. I mentioned that there seems to be some serious issues with certain throws, for instance Weeden cannot throw over the top of LB'ers but infront of the secondary. I got blown up for about 3 or so weeks before people were like hey...maybe there is something wrong here. Took till the end of the season before people were like holy fucking christ he's throwing perfect strikes to the other teams secondary. I bring this up cause you see the exact same and i mean "exact" same procedural errors in his game that you saw on DAY FUCKING 1!! I don't know if you all remember but our D line chased Vick all over the field that game, he was literally running for his life after every snap. That was a game we should have won but rookie Weeds got a major pass from the Cleveland media. Then he comes back the next week and again throws for near 300 yds but was still making those errors and misreads that eventually defense's are going to sodomize you on.
Moral of the story is that the "sniff" test is not entirely invalid. It works on the underwear so I see no reason why that doesn't translate to evaluating football talent. lols
It's too bad btw that I wasn't at this board last year, I got torched at another board after the Philly game which was Weedens first game. He didn't pass the sniff test that game although his stats weren't terrible. I mentioned that there seems to be some serious issues with certain throws, for instance Weeden cannot throw over the top of LB'ers but infront of the secondary. I got blown up for about 3 or so weeks before people were like hey...maybe there is something wrong here. Took till the end of the season before people were like holy fucking christ he's throwing perfect strikes to the other teams secondary. I bring this up cause you see the exact same and i mean "exact" same procedural errors in his game that you saw on DAY FUCKING 1!! I don't know if you all remember but our D line chased Vick all over the field that game, he was literally running for his life after every snap. That was a game we should have won but rookie Weeds got a major pass from the Cleveland media. Then he comes back the next week and again throws for near 300 yds but was still making those errors and misreads that eventually defense's are going to sodomize you on.
Moral of the story is that the "sniff" test is not entirely invalid. It works on the underwear so I see no reason why that doesn't translate to evaluating football talent. lols
My wife said from day 1 the guy sucked. Remember opening day last year during pregame when they unfurled that huge flag on the field, and he was caught underneath it. My wife was like "oh shit, I got a bad feeling about this guy." Bottom line: this guy does not have what it takes to be an NFL QB. As I said, maybe now that he is a 2 sport failure he can try his luck at basketball? 3's a charm, right?
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Drive chart notwithstanding the Lions went to the well 3 times and luckily Stafford threw an interception in the endzone. Look I wish Weeden wouldn't have thrown the interception. But you can't let teams like the Lions run all over you. And we are getting a little bit Kelly Holcomb esque about Hoyer Yeah I'd like to see him succeed but who the hell knows.
But no matter what happens next season you guys will be booing Bridgewater or McCarron off the field too.
or Hoyer after his first two interceptions game.
WSS
Drive chart notwithstanding the Lions went to the well 3 times and luckily Stafford threw an interception in the endzone. Look I wish Weeden wouldn't have thrown the interception. But you can't let teams like the Lions run all over you. And we are getting a little bit Kelly Holcomb esque about Hoyer Yeah I'd like to see him succeed but who the hell knows.
But no matter what happens next season you guys will be booing Bridgewater or McCarron off the field too.
or Hoyer after his first two interceptions game.
WSS
fuck i'll boo mccarron on draft day if that's who we end up picking. That boo train will be bright and eyed and bushy tailed every fucking morning till opening day.
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Good point. I really hated it when Weeden committed pass interference in the red zone...
WSS
Did you watch any of the Patriots-Saints game? Compared to the ticky-tack calls that got the Lions their first TD, Graham and Colston were getting mugged on virtually EVERY play, saw at least 8 plays that should have been called at least illegal contact or PI. BTW, that late hit on Stafford penalty was BS too.
How desperate are we that we as Browns fans are asking for Derek Anderson to come back?
Even at this worst, was DA this bad?
Did you watch any of the Patriots-Saints game? Compared to the ticky-tack calls that got the Lions their first TD, Graham and Colston were getting mugged on virtually EVERY play, saw at least 8 plays that should have been called at least illegal contact or PI. BTW, that late hit on Stafford penalty was BS too.
Even at this worst, was DA this bad?
^^^ Yes. Think DA against Buffalo.
Weeden just isn't NFL material.
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By the way no, I didn't watch the Patriots game. As a matter of fact I don't know that I've ever watched an entire game that didn't include the Cleveland Browns.
but so what? There are always bad calls. Live with it. They're also bad plays.
Eli Manning.
Is he the worst quarterback in the league now?
WSS
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By the way no, I didn't watch the Patriots game. As a matter of fact I don't know that I've ever watched an entire game that didn't include the Cleveland Browns.
but so what? There are always bad calls. Live with it. They're also bad plays.
Eli Manning.
Is he the worst quarterback in the league now?
WSS
By the way no, I didn't watch the Patriots game. As a matter of fact I don't know that I've ever watched an entire game that didn't include the Cleveland Browns.
but so what? There are always bad calls. Live with it. They're also bad plays.
Eli Manning.
Is he the worst quarterback in the league now?
WSS
No, but he's 2 years older than our quarterback and I think we know how everyone feels about his age.
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