Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
My questions about Manziel are not about his physical abilities throwing or running the football....it comes down to his dedication to the game and his teammates. Hes gonna need to grow up real fast to make it in the NFL.
Exactly... I think he's a punk who is going to flame out in the NFL.
Ryan Leaf comes to mind.
Exactly... I think he's a punk who is going to flame out in the NFL.
Ryan Leaf comes to mind.
His "dedication to the game?" Seriously?
I think neither of you guys have watched a game of his. He puts 100% into every play between the lines, sometimes to his own detriment when he fights for extra yards. On-the-field, he seems to have the fire that makes great QBs great. Off-the-field... he's a little cocky. Never met a good QB who was a little cocky, right? hmmm...
He's probably not the best QB coming out this year, but compare his game tapes to Mariota's... not sure it's obvious who will be better...
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I've watched a couple of his games this year and he looks too small to me.
Off the field is my concern. I think he's a jackass.
I've watched a couple of his games this year and he looks too small to me.
Off the field is my concern. I think he's a jackass.
He is small. I'll give you that. If you're going to draft Manziel you're hoping he can play despite his size. He's listed as 6'1" 210lbs, which is probably generous. Only 2 current successful QBs in the NFL at that size are Drew Brees at 6'0" 209lbs, and Russell Wilson at 5'11" 206lbs.
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Browns boards always seem to draw a lot of anti-quarterback sentiment, maybe because we never get to have the great ones, or at least since Otto Graham (Sipe and Kosar were too brief to be included). Every year, I read that there isn't a (NAME HERE) in this draft. Is Andrew Luck really that epic? Certainly not statistically, although I'll say he does win. So does Alex Smith who's having a so-so year at best.
Will Mariota be better than Luck? He certainly CAN be. He's way faster and has more arm, throws a gorgeous ball, proved he can play in crunch time. Can he be better than Kaepernick? Absolutely. He does everything Kaep does just a little better than Kaep and seems more polished at this point.
The guy I compare most to Luck is Bridgewater. Not because of size, because of polish. He plays like he's already in the NFL.
Boyd reminds me a little of Russell Wilson, two inches taller with a stronger arm. Both guys are clearly pass first but can move really well.
Hundley reminds me most of Cam Newton... and I'm not entirely sure how I feel about that. Aaron Murray is Andy Dalton, pretty much even steven with just a little more arm. Johnny Manziel? Hell, he's an original.
It's just a great year to need a quarterback.
Browns boards always seem to draw a lot of anti-quarterback sentiment, maybe because we never get to have the great ones, or at least since Otto Graham (Sipe and Kosar were too brief to be included). Every year, I read that there isn't a (NAME HERE) in this draft. Is Andrew Luck really that epic? Certainly not statistically, although I'll say he does win. So does Alex Smith who's having a so-so year at best.
Will Mariota be better than Luck? He certainly CAN be. He's way faster and has more arm, throws a gorgeous ball, proved he can play in crunch time. Can he be better than Kaepernick? Absolutely. He does everything Kaep does just a little better than Kaep and seems more polished at this point.
The guy I compare most to Luck is Bridgewater. Not because of size, because of polish. He plays like he's already in the NFL.
Boyd reminds me a little of Russell Wilson, two inches taller with a stronger arm. Both guys are clearly pass first but can move really well.
Hundley reminds me most of Cam Newton... and I'm not entirely sure how I feel about that. Aaron Murray is Andy Dalton, pretty much even steven with just a little more arm. Johnny Manziel? Hell, he's an original.
It's just a great year to need a quarterback.
Shep, I'm not averse to drafting a quarterback in the first round next year. I am averse to a Redskins sell the ranch\mortgage the future trade to move up to get a guy, if he goes bust- and you know it can happen, we're screwed for the next 3 years. Rothlisberger got picked @ #9, and Aaron Rodgers fell all the way into the 20s- I'm sure you remember.
If the qb class is as deep as you think it is, no reason we shouldn't be able to sit at say #12 (my projection) and still get a quality guy to groom behind Hoyer.Plus, half the college quarterbacks you're drooling over now are going to bust in the NFL- history says so.
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Hasn't been the case over the past five years or so. Successful starters have been flooding into the league.
Best way to not get one is to not try. Then at least you know for certain you're gonna suck ass. Takes the guesswork out of it. Best teams have the best quarterbacks, as Aikman said and Dilfer quoted. Is what it is.
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Top QB Prospects, by QBR in all of NCAAF this year...
#3 - T. Bridgewater - LOU - 191.8 - Was the consensus #1 pick, but I'm starting to think there's some competition there.
#4 - Zach Mettenberger - LSU - 184.1 - Moving up some draft charts I'm sure. At 6'5" 230lbs. He's got the size. Not sure he's played well enough to bet the future on him.
#5 - Marcus Mariota - ORE - 182.4 - Have to assume he's coming out this year, but he doesn't have to. I think he will enter the draft overrated, and hope he gets taken before we get a chance. He is a "run-first" QB, which is something I do not think you can change at the next level, despite his throwing skills.
#6 - Johnny Manziel - T A&M - 179.5 - Playmaker. I discussed him above.
#8 - Tajh Boyd - CLEM - 172.0 - 3rd year in a row he's played well. The game against FSU will be telling. He puts up great yards and his accuracy has improved. He's thrown a few too many INTs the past 2 years, but this year is doing much better at protecting the football. He's smaller than ideal, but has great arm strength.
#12 Brett Hundley - UCLA - 165.0 - Can't wait to watch the game against Stanford. I haven't watched him play. I'm assuming he's coming out this year as well, despite he has 2 more years of eligibility.
#13 Aaron Murray - UGA - 164.4 - Undersized and undertalented (is that a word?). Struggles under pressure. Sliding down draft boards after the loss to Missouri.
#14 AJ McCarron - ALA - 161.2 - Here's the Champ! Doesn't do anything great, but even better, doesn't make big mistakes. Add him to the list of "good" Alabama QBs who have followed their team to the title. He has not shown anything but game-manager ability. Will get drafted, and I'd take him if I needed a backup.
#17 Kevin Hogan - STAN - 158.6 - Another guy who can opt to return to college. He has good size and skills, but another guy who doesn't do anything spectacular. It will be fun to watch him go against Hundley on Saturday. If he makes some noise, he might choose to enter the draft.
#25 Stephen Morris - MIA - 153.1 - I don't see it, but a lot of "experts" think this guy can be good at the next level.
#28 Derek Carr - FRES - 152.2 - Very solid QB who puts up great numbers, against weak competition. The senior has been doing it for 3 years now and seems to be getting better. He struggled against Hawaii, but did enough for his team to win. Played great against Boise St and got the win. I think he's a sleeper who could be drafted in the 3rd and end up starting.
Those are the only "draftable" Qbs who are ranked in the top 30 in QBR. David Fales ranked #48 at 141.6. That's 11 QBs with high QBRs, for whatever that's worth. Usually, players who finish over 160 get a shot to start in the league at some point, if they have the measurables to match. That makes 8 potential starters, according to that "estimate." Many great starters have had lower QBRs in college, just to put that out there.
Last year the top drafted QB (EJ Manuel) finished with a QBR of 156.0, and in 2011 Russell Wilson finished with the best at 191.8 (the best QBR in the last 10 years in NCAAF) and A.Luck finished at 169.7. Weeden's was 159.8 the year he was drafted. Just for a little comparison...
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Exactly... I think he's a punk who is going to flame out in the NFL.
Ryan Leaf comes to mind.
His "dedication to the game?" Seriously?
I think neither of you guys have watched a game of his. He puts 100% into every play between the lines, sometimes to his own detriment when he fights for extra yards. On-the-field, he seems to have the fire that makes great QBs great. Off-the-field... he's a little cocky. Never met a good QB who was a little cocky, right? hmmm...
He's probably not the best QB coming out this year, but compare his game tapes to Mariota's... not sure it's obvious who will be better...
Yes, his dedication. Will he be the guy spending endless hours in the film room or the guy posing for GQ? My moneys on the latter.His "dedication to the game?" Seriously?
I think neither of you guys have watched a game of his. He puts 100% into every play between the lines, sometimes to his own detriment when he fights for extra yards. On-the-field, he seems to have the fire that makes great QBs great. Off-the-field... he's a little cocky. Never met a good QB who was a little cocky, right? hmmm...
He's probably not the best QB coming out this year, but compare his game tapes to Mariota's... not sure it's obvious who will be better...
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Hasn't been the case over the past five years or so. Successful starters have been flooding into the league.
Best way to not get one is to not try. Then at least you know for certain you're gonna suck ass. Takes the guesswork out of it. Best teams have the best quarterbacks, as Aikman said and Dilfer quoted. Is what it is.
Hasn't been the case over the past five years or so. Successful starters have been flooding into the league.
Best way to not get one is to not try. Then at least you know for certain you're gonna suck ass. Takes the guesswork out of it. Best teams have the best quarterbacks, as Aikman said and Dilfer quoted. Is what it is.
I'm not saying don't try- Lord knows we've tried. First round- Quinn and Weeden. Third round- Frye and McCoy. Free agents, you name it. I'm just sayin' DON'T PUT ALL YOUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET.
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Hasn't been the case over the past five years or so. Successful starters have been flooding into the league.
Best way to not get one is to not try. Then at least you know for certain you're gonna suck ass. Takes the guesswork out of it. Best teams have the best quarterbacks, as Aikman said and Dilfer quoted. Is what it is.
I'm not saying don't try- Lord knows we've tried. First round- Quinn and Weeden. Third round- Frye and McCoy. Free agents, you name it. I'm just sayin' DON'T PUT ALL YOUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET.
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This alleged scout isn't gushing over Bridgewater. I haven't seen anything spectacular out of him either. I kind of don't even care about him in the slightest.
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Rumor has it that Hundley has caught the eye of the FO.
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Rumor has it that Hundley has caught the eye of the FO.
Rumor has it that Hundley has caught the eye of the FO.
link?
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Rumor has it that Hundley has caught the eye of the FO.
link?
link?
I don't have an exact link but I've seen comments on walterfootball.com's mock drafts that Cleveland loves Hundley. I've also heard on WKNR that the FO really likes him. They've also had scouts at every UCLA game thus far this year.
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I've heard that about Hundley... but I've also heard it about Manziel and Mariota. They seem to want somebody who can really move AND throw and don't think they can get to Bridgewater.
Mayock drools over Bridgewater. Not sure who said nobody's making over him... because everybody is.
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link?
I don't have an exact link but I've seen comments on walterfootball.com's mock drafts that Cleveland loves Hundley. I've also heard on WKNR that the FO really likes him. They've also had scouts at every UCLA game thus far this year.
I don't have an exact link but I've seen comments on walterfootball.com's mock drafts that Cleveland loves Hundley. I've also heard on WKNR that the FO really likes him. They've also had scouts at every UCLA game thus far this year.
I didn't watch the Louisville- UCF game tonight- but after work, I sat next to a guy who (I value his opinion on) did- and he wasn't all that high on Bridgewater. I did catch the last minute of the game, and nice arm on the Hail Mary- too bad it was 5 yards off for one of his WRS to make a play on the ball.
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I don't have an exact link but I've seen comments on walterfootball.com's mock drafts that Cleveland loves Hundley. I've also heard on WKNR that the FO really likes him. They've also had scouts at every UCLA game thus far this year.
I didn't watch the Louisville- UCF game tonight- but after work, I sat next to a guy who (I value his opinion on) did- and he wasn't all that high on Bridgewater. I did catch the last minute of the game, and nice arm on the Hail Mary- too bad it was 5 yards off for one of his WRS to make a play on the ball.
I didn't watch the Louisville- UCF game tonight- but after work, I sat next to a guy who (I value his opinion on) did- and he wasn't all that high on Bridgewater. I did catch the last minute of the game, and nice arm on the Hail Mary- too bad it was 5 yards off for one of his WRS to make a play on the ball.
Are you judging a quarterback off of a hail mary pass?
Bridgewater went 29/38 for 341 yards and had a touchdown in the final five minutes. It's not Bridgewater's fault his team sucks, have you ever seen a QB this many people are high on with so little talent around him?
Walterfootball has us taking Johnny Football btw.
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link?
I don't have an exact link but I've seen comments on walterfootball.com's mock drafts that Cleveland loves Hundley. I've also heard on WKNR that the FO really likes him. They've also had scouts at every UCLA game thus far this year.
I don't have an exact link but I've seen comments on walterfootball.com's mock drafts that Cleveland loves Hundley. I've also heard on WKNR that the FO really likes him. They've also had scouts at every UCLA game thus far this year.
wtf? NO! Anyone but Hundley, dink and dunk game manager. No thanks.
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6'1 Case Keenum (or something like that) leapfrogged TJ Yates brian-hoyer-style and gets the start this Sunday for the Texans against the Chiefs.
I know virtually nothing about him other than his height and his yuppyish name.
Any thoughts on him.
I'm assuming the Chiefs will be undefeated when we get them next week.
Total Trap Game.
Zombo
Zombo said:
6'1 Case Keenum (or something like that) leapfrogged TJ Yates brian-hoyer-style and gets the start this Sunday for the Texans against the Chiefs.
I know virtually nothing about him other than his height and his yuppyish name.
Any thoughts on him.
I'm assuming the Chiefs will be undefeated when we get them next week.
Total Trap Game.
Zombo
He was a monster in the FCS. HOU fans will have to hope the only reason he went undrafted was because of BCS elitism.
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