Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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Can you point me to a link where a Browns front office official said this? I seemed to have missed it.
I found this, which is a more restrained version of that:
On if the 2014 quarterback class is as great as most people assume it is: “It’s too early to say that. I think there’s a number of prospects out there. It’s too early to say what the storytelling versus the eventual assessments are going to be.”
On if he still believes the 2014 draft would be better than the 2013 draft: “I was optimistic that that was the case. I think from what we’re seeing that I still believe this is going to be a draft that is going to a fairly strong draft. It’s too early to say that conclusively, but the optimism we had about that in April, I’d say we’re even more optimistic now.”
I found this, which is a more restrained version of that:
On if the 2014 quarterback class is as great as most people assume it is: “It’s too early to say that. I think there’s a number of prospects out there. It’s too early to say what the storytelling versus the eventual assessments are going to be.”
On if he still believes the 2014 draft would be better than the 2013 draft: “I was optimistic that that was the case. I think from what we’re seeing that I still believe this is going to be a draft that is going to a fairly strong draft. It’s too early to say that conclusively, but the optimism we had about that in April, I’d say we’re even more optimistic now.”
those quotes aren't even close to what shep said came out of the FO. but you guys can still try to make things up.
Someone was saying Manziel looks like someone but he can't think who:
Hugh Hefner maybe?
yeah he looks like this 'DICK":
acts like him too.
fuck both those pieces of shit.
just what we'd need in cleveland, a QB with the skills of donovan mcnabb, the morals of pacman jones and would show up to the game as drunk as bernie is now.
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Who was that child actor red head kid with the big schnoz... looks just like freakin Manziel.
Can't think of any movies he was in and no idea what his name is.. I think he might have been on some tv show.
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AHA! I fuckin found it god damn I love the internet...remember this dude?
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AHA! I fuckin found it god damn I love the internet...remember this dude?
AHA! I fuckin found it god damn I love the internet...remember this dude?
Not really .... but, yes, looks just like him.
Zombo
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AHA! I fuckin found it god damn I love the internet...remember this dude?
Not really .... but, yes, looks just like him.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Not really .... but, yes, looks just like him.
Zombo
For some reason the photo is not coming up for me.
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Zombo said:
Not really .... but, yes, looks just like him.
Zombo
For some reason the photo is not coming up for me.
For some reason the photo is not coming up for me.
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Our elite d was on the sidelines for two of those scores, had a very short field to defend for a third score, and was constantly left in bad positions because of the offense's ineptitude at moving the ball.
What did you want them to do from the sideline? Throw their shoes?
Our elite d is the only thing that kept the Bengals from dropping 75 on us.
I think the point being made here is that while the D is elite, or close to, they still couldn't help us overcome the giant turd laid by offence and ST. ST are normally fine, so I'm happy writing that off as an aberration, but the O clearly needs to be improved in a big way. The D is there, but they can't win games on their own. They put us in a position to win, and if the offence could get the touchdown on a red zone trip we would have been 21-0 up instead of 13-0.
I think the point being made here is that while the D is elite, or close to, they still couldn't help us overcome the giant turd laid by offence and ST. ST are normally fine, so I'm happy writing that off as an aberration, but the O clearly needs to be improved in a big way. The D is there, but they can't win games on their own. They put us in a position to win, and if the offence could get the touchdown on a red zone trip we would have been 21-0 up instead of 13-0.
Yes. The only person who understood my post.
Our D is excellent, and they play great game-in and game-out, but D alone is not enough to win games. We need to get some sembelance of an offense... right now there is nothing...
#Justsayin' -
Our "elite D" sure helped us when we got slaughtered by the Bengals (in obvious sarcastic voice)... right?
Our D is great... no doubt, and could even be better, but, they can't make up for such abysmal QB play... they just can't... The offense has to move the ball and get first downs to AT LEAST take the field position advantage. Turnovers on your own side of the field and 3-and-outs outweigh what a D can do any day...
The D scored points and didn't get two kicks blocked. Quit talking like you don't know anything.
I don't agree we need a new QB. I think Hoyer can be a good player. I will say I won't mind if we bring in a new QB, be it a polished high rounder or a 2nd or 3rd rounder. To me it's all about improving the team is the best possible way. If that means we have a QB and he actually works out, great. If that means we don't like any we can get, then improve in another area.
It's easy to say get a QB. The problem is sometimes there aren't any to get.
You were probably all over Brady Quinns jock when we drafted him.
The D scored points and didn't get two kicks blocked. Quit talking like you don't know anything.
I don't agree we need a new QB. I think Hoyer can be a good player. I will say I won't mind if we bring in a new QB, be it a polished high rounder or a 2nd or 3rd rounder. To me it's all about improving the team is the best possible way. If that means we have a QB and he actually works out, great. If that means we don't like any we can get, then improve in another area.
It's easy to say get a QB. The problem is sometimes there aren't any to get.
You were probably all over Brady Quinns jock when we drafted him.
This is funny... I pretty much had Quinn as overrated and undraftable...
And... there are plenty of QBs. We need to get one...
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I think the point being made here is that while the D is elite, or close to, they still couldn't help us overcome the giant turd laid by offence and ST. ST are normally fine, so I'm happy writing that off as an aberration, but the O clearly needs to be improved in a big way. The D is there, but they can't win games on their own. They put us in a position to win, and if the offence could get the touchdown on a red zone trip we would have been 21-0 up instead of 13-0.
Yes. The only person who understood my post.
Our D is excellent, and they play great game-in and game-out, but D alone is not enough to win games. We need to get some sembelance of an offense... right now there is nothing...
Yes. The only person who understood my post.
Our D is excellent, and they play great game-in and game-out, but D alone is not enough to win games. We need to get some sembelance of an offense... right now there is nothing...
I don't think you'll find anyone disagreeing with that.
We just don't need to break the bank on a QB who, quite frankly, will probably not be any better than his peers in the draft.
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It's certainly not like all the quarterbacks are equal and you take the one that falls to you. If that were the case, you wouldn't need a scouting department at all. The notion that they're all equally likely to succeed is wrong. The stats on QBs drafted after pick #37 are absolutely dreadful. It's beyond a needle in a haystack. It's a needle in the ocean.
It was like 15 years between Brady and Wilson, guys drafted after round 2 who succeeded for their original team over a period of time... and that's assuming Wilson WILL. It's rare. Super rare. Raw.
The Browns brass and scouting department is certainly being charged with finding the best and most appropriate quarterback for what they want to do. The answer might be Bridgewater, who's unavailable. Then you go to #2. Who is it? Can we get him? And so on. And the guy the Browns love might not be the guy most of the other teams love... meaning he might be there at 9 (current position) without a trade-up. It's certainly fluid, but Manziel is commonly going at #5 to the Vikings now.
By draft time, that might be Carr. Or Petty. It's such a strong QB draft (near the top at least) that I expect an unusual amount of movement. Tajh Boyd plummeted but I have a gut he has a rise left in him.
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It's certainly not like all the quarterbacks are equal and you take the one that falls to you. If that were the case, you wouldn't need a scouting department at all. The notion that they're all equally likely to succeed is wrong. The stats on QBs drafted after pick #37 are absolutely dreadful. It's beyond a needle in a haystack. It's a needle in the ocean.
It was like 15 years between Brady and Wilson, guys drafted after round 2 who succeeded for their original team over a period of time... and that's assuming Wilson WILL. It's rare. Super rare. Raw.
The Browns brass and scouting department is certainly being charged with finding the best and most appropriate quarterback for what they want to do. The answer might be Bridgewater, who's unavailable. Then you go to #2. Who is it? Can we get him? And so on. And the guy the Browns love might not be the guy most of the other teams love... meaning he might be there at 9 (current position) without a trade-up. It's certainly fluid, but Manziel is commonly going at #5 to the Vikings now.
By draft time, that might be Carr. Or Petty. It's such a strong QB draft (near the top at least) that I expect an unusual amount of movement. Tajh Boyd plummeted but I have a gut he has a rise left in him.
It's certainly not like all the quarterbacks are equal and you take the one that falls to you. If that were the case, you wouldn't need a scouting department at all. The notion that they're all equally likely to succeed is wrong. The stats on QBs drafted after pick #37 are absolutely dreadful. It's beyond a needle in a haystack. It's a needle in the ocean.
It was like 15 years between Brady and Wilson, guys drafted after round 2 who succeeded for their original team over a period of time... and that's assuming Wilson WILL. It's rare. Super rare. Raw.
The Browns brass and scouting department is certainly being charged with finding the best and most appropriate quarterback for what they want to do. The answer might be Bridgewater, who's unavailable. Then you go to #2. Who is it? Can we get him? And so on. And the guy the Browns love might not be the guy most of the other teams love... meaning he might be there at 9 (current position) without a trade-up. It's certainly fluid, but Manziel is commonly going at #5 to the Vikings now.
By draft time, that might be Carr. Or Petty. It's such a strong QB draft (near the top at least) that I expect an unusual amount of movement. Tajh Boyd plummeted but I have a gut he has a rise left in him.
Yea, I don't know if scouting has become better or what, but in like the last decade no real decent QBs have come out past like the second round. Here is a list of all semi-decent QBs that have been drafted in the 3rd round or lower since 1990:
1990 Neil O'Donnell 3rd rd.
1992 Brad Johnson 9th rd.
1993 Elvis Grbac 8th rd. (yea, "decent" is relative)
1998 Matt Hasselback 6th rd.
1999 Aaron Brooks 4th rd.
2000 Tom Brady 6th rd.
2002 David Garrard 4th rd.
2004 Matt Schaub 3rd rd.
2005 Derek Anderson ??? 6th rd.
2005 Kyle Orton 4th rd.
2012 Russell Wilson 3rd rd.
And in that same time even a second rounder is a crap shoot. Here is the best of the bunch:
Brett Favre
Drew Brees
Kordell Stewart???
Charlie Batch???
Jake Plummer???
Colin Kaepernick
Andy Dalton
Geno Smith???
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It's certainly not like all the quarterbacks are equal and you take the one that falls to you. If that were the case, you wouldn't need a scouting department at all. The notion that they're all equally likely to succeed is wrong. The stats on QBs drafted after pick #37 are absolutely dreadful. It's beyond a needle in a haystack. It's a needle in the ocean.
It was like 15 years between Brady and Wilson, guys drafted after round 2 who succeeded for their original team over a period of time... and that's assuming Wilson WILL. It's rare. Super rare. Raw.
The Browns brass and scouting department is certainly being charged with finding the best and most appropriate quarterback for what they want to do. The answer might be Bridgewater, who's unavailable. Then you go to #2. Who is it? Can we get him? And so on. And the guy the Browns love might not be the guy most of the other teams love... meaning he might be there at 9 (current position) without a trade-up. It's certainly fluid, but Manziel is commonly going at #5 to the Vikings now.
By draft time, that might be Carr. Or Petty. It's such a strong QB draft (near the top at least) that I expect an unusual amount of movement. Tajh Boyd plummeted but I have a gut he has a rise left in him.
It's certainly not like all the quarterbacks are equal and you take the one that falls to you. If that were the case, you wouldn't need a scouting department at all. The notion that they're all equally likely to succeed is wrong. The stats on QBs drafted after pick #37 are absolutely dreadful. It's beyond a needle in a haystack. It's a needle in the ocean.
It was like 15 years between Brady and Wilson, guys drafted after round 2 who succeeded for their original team over a period of time... and that's assuming Wilson WILL. It's rare. Super rare. Raw.
The Browns brass and scouting department is certainly being charged with finding the best and most appropriate quarterback for what they want to do. The answer might be Bridgewater, who's unavailable. Then you go to #2. Who is it? Can we get him? And so on. And the guy the Browns love might not be the guy most of the other teams love... meaning he might be there at 9 (current position) without a trade-up. It's certainly fluid, but Manziel is commonly going at #5 to the Vikings now.
By draft time, that might be Carr. Or Petty. It's such a strong QB draft (near the top at least) that I expect an unusual amount of movement. Tajh Boyd plummeted but I have a gut he has a rise left in him.
Thank God we have two picks before 37.
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Zombo said:
Not really .... but, yes, looks just like him.
Zombo
For some reason the photo is not coming up for me.
For some reason the photo is not coming up for me.
Kind of looks like a blue box with a question mark in it.
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It's certainly not like all the quarterbacks are equal and you take the one that falls to you. If that were the case, you wouldn't need a scouting department at all. The notion that they're all equally likely to succeed is wrong. The stats on QBs drafted after pick #37 are absolutely dreadful. It's beyond a needle in a haystack. It's a needle in the ocean.
It was like 15 years between Brady and Wilson, guys drafted after round 2 who succeeded for their original team over a period of time... and that's assuming Wilson WILL. It's rare. Super rare. Raw.
The Browns brass and scouting department is certainly being charged with finding the best and most appropriate quarterback for what they want to do. The answer might be Bridgewater, who's unavailable. Then you go to #2. Who is it? Can we get him? And so on. And the guy the Browns love might not be the guy most of the other teams love... meaning he might be there at 9 (current position) without a trade-up. It's certainly fluid, but Manziel is commonly going at #5 to the Vikings now.
By draft time, that might be Carr. Or Petty. It's such a strong QB draft (near the top at least) that I expect an unusual amount of movement. Tajh Boyd plummeted but I have a gut he has a rise left in him.
It's certainly not like all the quarterbacks are equal and you take the one that falls to you. If that were the case, you wouldn't need a scouting department at all. The notion that they're all equally likely to succeed is wrong. The stats on QBs drafted after pick #37 are absolutely dreadful. It's beyond a needle in a haystack. It's a needle in the ocean.
It was like 15 years between Brady and Wilson, guys drafted after round 2 who succeeded for their original team over a period of time... and that's assuming Wilson WILL. It's rare. Super rare. Raw.
The Browns brass and scouting department is certainly being charged with finding the best and most appropriate quarterback for what they want to do. The answer might be Bridgewater, who's unavailable. Then you go to #2. Who is it? Can we get him? And so on. And the guy the Browns love might not be the guy most of the other teams love... meaning he might be there at 9 (current position) without a trade-up. It's certainly fluid, but Manziel is commonly going at #5 to the Vikings now.
By draft time, that might be Carr. Or Petty. It's such a strong QB draft (near the top at least) that I expect an unusual amount of movement. Tajh Boyd plummeted but I have a gut he has a rise left in him.
OK, yes, I agree with you on that. But if you read Banner's most recent comments- they're not going to force the pick at the cost of screwing up the potential for long term success. Speaking of, RG III to the Redskins- is looking more and more like the Deadskins have done exactly that. My crystal ball predicts a 10 loss season for Washington with games & (losses) coming up against the 49ers, Chiefs, and at least one more within the division- and golly gee, they don't have a first round pick this year to fill in one of the many gaping holes on the team. After Andrew Luck, Griffin was everyone's Flavor of the Month Maybe he can turn it around- he certainly has the talent- .but he has to stay healthy. He might just get Carr-ted out of the League.
The draft is still six months away, I'll take Banner at his word that they're doing due diligence on every quarterback out there that might be an improvement over what we have. & it's way too early to say on how it's all going to shake out.
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I don't think anybody MEANS to "force the pick." At the time, at least, they believed it was the right thing to do. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But going all in for the QB in today's league is pretty commonly accepted as the right thing to do. If you don't have The Guy, you desperately need The Guy and it's almost impossible to cap the value of The Guy.
I mean, Brady was a happy accident, but is Belicheck really a genius without him? Was he before? Will he be after? I don't know. Maybe we'll never know.
Bottom line: QB is the first priority and whatever's second (left tackle or pass rusher, neither of which we need) is REALLY down the line. This brass thinks the 2012 draft showed a complete lack of understanding of the how you win in today's NFL, prioritizing a running back over a quarterback. I've heard about 5,000 times since that everybody would've taken Tannehill and Martin (my draft), but I don't recall that much uproar when the Browns actually took Richardson.
But the real point is that this brass hated that draft and they aren't likely to recreate it. I wouldn't put a dime on the quarterback coming second. Or a penny.
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I don't think anybody MEANS to "force the pick." At the time, at least, they believed it was the right thing to do. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But going all in for the QB in today's league is pretty commonly accepted as the right thing to do. If you don't have The Guy, you desperately need The Guy and it's almost impossible to cap the value of The Guy.
I mean, Brady was a happy accident, but is Belicheck really a genius without him? Was he before? Will he be after? I don't know. Maybe we'll never know.
Bottom line: QB is the first priority and whatever's second (left tackle or pass rusher, neither of which we need) is REALLY down the line. This brass thinks the 2012 draft showed a complete lack of understanding of the how you win in today's NFL, prioritizing a running back over a quarterback. I've heard about 5,000 times since that everybody would've taken Tannehill and Martin (my draft), but I don't recall that much uproar when the Browns actually took Richardson.
But the real point is that this brass hated that draft and they aren't likely to recreate it. I wouldn't put a dime on the quarterback coming second. Or a penny.
I don't think anybody MEANS to "force the pick." At the time, at least, they believed it was the right thing to do. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But going all in for the QB in today's league is pretty commonly accepted as the right thing to do. If you don't have The Guy, you desperately need The Guy and it's almost impossible to cap the value of The Guy.
I mean, Brady was a happy accident, but is Belicheck really a genius without him? Was he before? Will he be after? I don't know. Maybe we'll never know.
Bottom line: QB is the first priority and whatever's second (left tackle or pass rusher, neither of which we need) is REALLY down the line. This brass thinks the 2012 draft showed a complete lack of understanding of the how you win in today's NFL, prioritizing a running back over a quarterback. I've heard about 5,000 times since that everybody would've taken Tannehill and Martin (my draft), but I don't recall that much uproar when the Browns actually took Richardson.
But the real point is that this brass hated that draft and they aren't likely to recreate it. I wouldn't put a dime on the quarterback coming second. Or a penny.
OK, so, this FO hated the picks of the prior FO. That doesn't mean that this FO is going to be any better at doing this than the prior FO. In fact this FO....Lombardi at least has proven over and over and over again to have been fairly piss poor at doing this job.
I mean, what have we gotten out of his first foray here at this? A guy that looks like he has potential as a pass rusher....Mingo....and a bunch of other guys who really, really seem like big big question marks. McFadden? Slaughter? Gilkey? Bryant?
Where's the Beef? Lombardi's first effort looks like he hit the Soy/Tofu rack than the meat counter.
Edit note: In terms of what we have on this team, it is all mostly the prior regime(s)' choices that are doing things here. Even the UFAs, Gipson, Robertson, Fort. Cooper are the prior regimes guys.
Kruger and Des Bryant are good pickups of this bunch....but those were fairly proven veterans for which the "no brainer" tag could be applied.
Hoyer was the only other decent pickup....but so much for that. Campbell too....maybe.
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I don't think anybody MEANS to "force the pick." At the time, at least, they believed it was the right thing to do. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But going all in for the QB in today's league is pretty commonly accepted as the right thing to do. If you don't have The Guy, you desperately need The Guy and it's almost impossible to cap the value of The Guy.
I mean, Brady was a happy accident, but is Belicheck really a genius without him? Was he before? Will he be after? I don't know. Maybe we'll never know.
Bottom line: QB is the first priority and whatever's second (left tackle or pass rusher, neither of which we need) is REALLY down the line. This brass thinks the 2012 draft showed a complete lack of understanding of the how you win in today's NFL, prioritizing a running back over a quarterback. I've heard about 5,000 times since that everybody would've taken Tannehill and Martin (my draft), but I don't recall that much uproar when the Browns actually took Richardson.
But the real point is that this brass hated that draft and they aren't likely to recreate it. I wouldn't put a dime on the quarterback coming second. Or a penny.
I don't think anybody MEANS to "force the pick." At the time, at least, they believed it was the right thing to do. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But going all in for the QB in today's league is pretty commonly accepted as the right thing to do. If you don't have The Guy, you desperately need The Guy and it's almost impossible to cap the value of The Guy.
I mean, Brady was a happy accident, but is Belicheck really a genius without him? Was he before? Will he be after? I don't know. Maybe we'll never know.
Bottom line: QB is the first priority and whatever's second (left tackle or pass rusher, neither of which we need) is REALLY down the line. This brass thinks the 2012 draft showed a complete lack of understanding of the how you win in today's NFL, prioritizing a running back over a quarterback. I've heard about 5,000 times since that everybody would've taken Tannehill and Martin (my draft), but I don't recall that much uproar when the Browns actually took Richardson.
But the real point is that this brass hated that draft and they aren't likely to recreate it. I wouldn't put a dime on the quarterback coming second. Or a penny.
Neither would I. But the RG III experiment shows if you go "all in" you had damn better be right- or you're screwed beyond belief. However- "The Guy" the "REAL" guy is damn hard to come by. How many are there in the NFL Shep? Multi-time Pro Bowlers? Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and who else? Plenty of second tier guys maybe knocking on the door- but not yet in my book. Good enough to win with the right talent- the other Manning, Stafford, Flacco.
Quit acting like you can go into the back yard and just pick one off a tree. If it was so damn easy- after 20 tries, the Browns would have found one by dumb luck. I don't have another 5 years of patience to wait out another massive qb screw up.
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I said the opposite of "picking one off the tree." That's why teams have scouting departments. Or did I misunderstand what you wrote?
I said the opposite of "picking one off the tree." That's why teams have scouting departments. Or did I misunderstand what you wrote?
Maybe.
To try and clarify- It's just that "The Guy" doesn't happen every year- and for all we know this may not be the year. To get that super stud you have to be either lucky (Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Montana) or lucky enough to have the #1 overall pick with "the guy" there (Manning, Luck).And having "The Guy" doesn't get you to the Super Bowl- or even the Playoffs every year. Just admit it- I'm right. Try telling any Steeler fan Rothlisberger isn't "The Guy". they're currently tied with the Browns who have trotted out a bust and two backups. Shaub's "The Guy" in Houston, and they're where? Matty Ice is "The Guy" in Atlanta, and the Falcons are where? Griffin was drafted to be "The Guy" in Washington, and it's not working out so well this year in DC, no? & LOL, let's not even get into Weeden or Quinn getting drafted by the Browns to be "The Guy".
Getting back to the Griffin giveaway, to show you how badly it hurts to mess up on the sell the ranch scenario- where would you put RG IIIs trade value right now? I sure as hell wouldn't put it at three firsts and a second- and I have a feeling 31 other GMs would agree with me. Washington would take that sort of deal in a New York minute. I'm going to trust Banner and Lombardi to not make that kind of mistake.
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Zombo said:
Not really .... but, yes, looks just like him.
Zombo
For some reason the photo is not coming up for me.
For some reason the photo is not coming up for me.
I've been unable to upload any photos from the 'reply box' also
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