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  • I'm not a fan of Carr. Many of his throws are to wide open receivers and those that aren't don't have the best placement. I think he is his brother version 2.0.

    He struggles under pressure and when his first read isn't wide open, he tends to panic.

    Even in his highlight video, which is supposed to showcase his highlights, it seems like his big plays are often the result of a player being wide open or a RB taking a dump off and housing it.

    I'd be wary of him if I were a GM.

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I'm not a fan of Carr. Many of his throws are to wide open receivers and those that aren't don't have the best placement. I think he is his brother version 2.0.

    He struggles under pressure and when his first read isn't wide open, he tends to panic.

    Even in his highlight video, which is supposed to showcase his highlights, it seems like his big plays are often the result of a player being wide open or a RB taking a dump off and housing it.

    I'd be wary of him if I were a GM.

    I actually thought the same thing. I hate when you watch a QB highlight reel and all you see is handoff after handoff. OK if it's all the plays from one game, but for a season highlight, I want highlight reel throws.

  • This is a very weak year for free agency unless your needs are WR, RB, or pass rusher. (Vick and Cutler could hit the market and make things interesting) Luckily we need 2 of the those 3 and I'm pretty sure we can get a couple.

    WR- Eric Decker, Jermey Maclin, Kenny Britt, Hakeem Nicks, Denario Alexander, and Ted Ginn would all be great targets. I think the best value, would be to offer Nicks a "prove it" deal. He has battled injuries but has proven to be a productive WR, so he may come with a more reasonable price tag than the others.

    RB- Darren McFadden, Maurice Jones-Drew, and Ben Tate are all talented backs and would be leaps and bounds better than anyone on the current roster. McFadden and Jones-Drew are the best fit, but McFadden may sucker a team into paying top dollar, so I would prefer to make a play for Jones-Drew. Sure he's 30 and has a ton of miles, but he is reliable and can catch the ball out of the backfield. The change of scenery maybe just what he needs to get back to being a top back again, and I'm sure he isn't going to be looking for a blockbuster deal giving his age and decline in production.

    1a- Zach Mettenberger QB- This crop of QBs are being over-hyped. Bridgewater is good, Carr has terrible footwork and throws off his back foot far too often, Manziel has size and maturity issues, and Hundley simply doesn't impress me. Mettenberger has shown that he is coachable and has all the tools. He is inconsistent, but he makes some serious NFL throws and you can see the potential of an all star in the making.

    1b- Cyril Richardson OG- Big mauler that we need to open up holes in the running game. He also can play RT if Schwartz doesn't step up

    2- Kyle Fuller CB- Under rated CB with good size. He is a good cover corner and isn't afraid to make a tackle. Should go in the first, but it is a deep CB pool the year.

    3a- Chris Borland ILB- Undersized LB that plays with some serious intensity and hits like a Mack truck. His fire is what this defense lacks and at very least he should be a ST ace.

    3b- Odell Beckham WR- Fast with decent size. A serious playmaker that can also return kicks. I also like Devante Parker, he reminds me a lot of Greg Little if Greg Little could catch.

    4a- Calvin Pryor FS- Hidden gem with an all around solid game. He covers well, has good hands, and can lay the lumber.

    4b- Andrew Jackson ILB- Huge ILB that plays with a chip on his shoulder. Doesn't fit the mold of Hortons undersized ILB but this guy is an old fashioned thumper that will do wonders to stop the run and eventually take over for DQ

    5- Spencer Long OG- Is currently injured but is a solid player when healthy. Could be a steal in the late rounds.

    6- J.C. Copeland FB- Huge athletic FB that can blast holes and is a decent receiver when need be.

    7- Isiah Crowell HB- Has talent but is coming out of a small school. Could be another late round steal.

    QB- B. Hoyer Z. Mettenberger J. Campbell

    HB- M. Jones-Drew D. Lewis C. Ogbannya I. Crowell

    FB- J. Copeland

    WR- J. Gordon D. Bess O. Beckham

    WR- H. Nicks G. Little T. Benjamin

    TE- J. Cameron G. Barnidge M. Gray

    LT- J. Thomas

    LG- J. Greco S. Luavao

    C- A. Mack

    RG- C. Richardson G. Gilkey

    RT- M. Schwartz C. Faulk

    DE- A. Rubin B. Winn

    NT- P. Taylor J. Hughes I. Kitchen

    DE-D. Bryant A. Bryant

    LOLB- P. Kruger Q. Groves

    LILB-C. Boreland C. Robertson

    RILB-D. Jackson A. Jackson

    ROLB-J. Sheard B. Mingo

    CB-J. Haden B. Skrine

    CB-K. Fuller L. McFadden

    FS-T. Gipson C. Pryor

    SS-T. Ward J Bademosi

  • I don't like the idea of trading picks to get the "latest, greatest" QB. Me, I scratch Manziel & Mariota. I just don't see that style of play working in the AFC North.

    Since Alabama is on TV a lot, I happen to like McCarron. I have no idea how he will grade out at the combine, but he looks sturdy, strong & serviceable. My only fear is these QBs from the SEC & Big 12 play against substandard defenses, as the games all end up being 42-31 (except for "Bama, who actually plays defense).

    We need help at WR, on the O-line real bad, and a difference maker at Safety and ILB. I want to forgive TJ Ward for his outburst, but he needs to start making plays in the passing game. I think he's made 1 all year, vs. the Bills on a Thursday night.

    I guess I was blinded by love, because when we won 3 in a row and were looking like an actual NFL team at 3-2, I only was concerned about Safety, WR, & the right side of the O-line. Now that the season has gone south, we look a lot like the 4-12 or 5-11 teams of the last 5 years.

    DO NOT TRADE. Draft 14 guys with 14 picks, that's my 2 cents.

  • This is a very weak year for free agency unless your needs are WR, RB, or pass rusher

    Well, two of those are primary needs of the Browns.

    4b- Andrew Jackson ILB-

    Have you tried your hand at my trivia quiz?

  • I don't get the Carr fascination, are you guys fans of Fresno? cause he just seems average to me putting up big numbers against crap teams. I was on the johnnyfootball train but he can't stop dropping his shoulder trying to run over defenders, these kinda QB's last only a year or 2 in the NFL.

    I'm thinking Mettenberger is worth betting on

  • If the season ended today we would be picking is 9th and roughly about 24th.

    Teams picking ahead of us are Jax, Houston, Atlanta, Minnesota, Washington, TB, Oakland and NYG. Of those 8, teams that I would say are definitely in the market for a QB are Jax and Minnesota. Houston is borderline definite. TB and Oakland are maybes.

    Of all the QBs out there I have seen Bridgewater, Mariota, Manziel, Mettenberg, Murray and McCarron play. The big two that I haven't seen play are Hundley and Carr. I think with the injury to Murray this past week it is going push Mariota and Manziel towards declaring if they weren't already deadset on it.

    Here is my draft. I have only gone off of the QBs that I have seen play so Hundley and Carr won't be included in my decisions.

    Trade-up version;

    1a/b to trade up plus 2015 1st rounder- Mariota

    2- top WR. Maybe Robinson out of Penn State or Matthews from Vandy.

    3a- top RB. Hyde from Ohio State or Wilder from Florida State.

    3b- top OG.

    Stay where we are at version;

    1a- Carr or Boyd.

    1b- top WR.

    2- top RB.

    3a- top OG.

    3b- top OG/CB.

    Nice. Very nice. And as my name is Shepherd, we're obviously blood relatives.

    @sheepdog said:

    If the season ended today we would be picking is 9th and roughly about 24th.

    Teams picking ahead of us are Jax, Houston, Atlanta, Minnesota, Washington, TB, Oakland and NYG. Of those 8, teams that I would say are definitely in the market for a QB are Jax and Minnesota. Houston is borderline definite. TB and Oakland are maybes.

    Of all the QBs out there I have seen Bridgewater, Mariota, Manziel, Mettenberg, Murray and McCarron play. The big two that I haven't seen play are Hundley and Carr. I think with the injury to Murray this past week it is going push Mariota and Manziel towards declaring if they weren't already deadset on it.

    Here is my draft. I have only gone off of the QBs that I have seen play so Hundley and Carr won't be included in my decisions.

    Trade-up version;

    1a/b to trade up plus 2015 1st rounder- Mariota

    2- top WR. Maybe Robinson out of Penn State or Matthews from Vandy.

    3a- top RB. Hyde from Ohio State or Wilder from Florida State.

    3b- top OG.

    Stay where we are at version;

    1a- Carr or Boyd.

    1b- top WR.

    2- top RB.

    3a- top OG.

    3b- top OG/CB.

  • Remember, that's a "low-light" tape of his worst plays to make a point. AND... if Alo did this, he actually likes Carr quite a bit. Thinks his footwork needs some coaching but loves his upside. He has rare arm talent AND great wheels... and when you say the ball "pops" off a QB's hand, this year you're talking about Carr.

    I just watched his cutup from Higdon of that New Mexico masterpiece... and there's a lot of "wow factor" there. It's tough to put up the numbers he's put up... over a TON of starts... and not be good.

  • Hmmm i haven't seen him once this year tbh, those highlights/lowlights are from the previous i think. I will try to catch the rest of his games since alot of you guys are screaming for him. I read the comments on the vid and someone did say he's fixed some problems but i dismissed it cause all the comments are from haters and fans, not really nothing neutral.

  • It's just really hard to throw 39 TDs and only 4 INTs (Carr). He throws a LOT of quick hit stuff but it sets up the downfield throws, which he lasers. You can either say he has sloppy footwork or that he "can throw from a variety of platforms," as Steve Young prefers to call it. He thinks if you can only throw from a classic set in today's pass-rusher league, you're hosed.

    Carr and Boyd have quite a bit in common. Both guys fit that PFO profile of a ton of starts (both over 30) with great stats... and both will be drafted in the first or second round. If you complete over 60% for your career with over 30 starts and get drafted in the top two rounds, you're guaranteed to succeed (!). Or damn near. It's kind of freaky.

    The other similarity is nobody's gonna question their arm strength or mobility. BUT... on Carr, you question the competition and all the bubble screens. On Boyd, you question the height and shit-on-the-table bad games out of nowhere (for him and his team in general).

  • I would not bundle picks to move up in the draft for any of the QB's. If whoever is available at 10 (QB or otherwise) doesn't floor me I am trading down if possible for a 1st and 2nd round pick. I think with two 1's and two 2's we can get a QB, WR, RT and RB easily. Again if someone drops to us at those slots at other positions that are irresistible snap them up.

    All of those thoughts could change by next years combine but that is how I would see it now.

  • I would not bundle picks to move up in the draft for any of the QB's. If whoever is available at 10 (QB or otherwise) doesn't floor me I am trading down if possible for a 1st and 2nd round pick. I think with two 1's and two 2's we can get a QB, WR, RT and RB easily. Again if someone drops to us at those slots at other positions that are irresistible snap them up.

    All of those thoughts could change by next years combine but that is how I would see it now.

    @jcam222 said:

    I would not bundle picks to move up in the draft for any of the QB's. If whoever is available at 10 (QB or otherwise) doesn't floor me I am trading down if possible for a 1st and 2nd round pick. I think with two 1's and two 2's we can get a QB, WR, RT and RB easily. Again if someone drops to us at those slots at other positions that are irresistible snap them up.

    All of those thoughts could change by next years combine but that is how I would see it now.

    If anything were trading up with the 5 picks we have in rounds 3-5.
  • 1a. Jake Matthews/Taylor Lewan whomever is available

    1b. Mike Evans

    2. Best LB/CB or a QB if a solid one in on the board

    3a. Best RB/LB/CB on the board

    3b. Trey Millard best player on the board

    4a. Best Athlete on the board

    4b. Best Player on the board

    5. Best Player on the board

    6. Best Player on the board

    7. Best Player on the board

  • 1) Trade for Marcus Mariota - Still too enticing with size, elite speed, and arm strength... His production has stagnated a bit but you can put that on the knee trouble and the questionable play calling. Either way he is still having a fantastic season and just turned 20.

    2) Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt

    3) Seantrel Henderson, OT, Miami

    3) Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin

    4) Rob Blanchflower, TE, Massachusetts

    4) Ladarius Perkins, RB, Mississippi State

    5) Kadeem Edwards, OG, Tennessee State

    6) Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon

    7) Marcus Coker, RB, Stony Brook

  • 1a. Jake Matthews/Taylor Lewan whomever is available

    1b. Mike Evans

    2. Best LB/CB or a QB if a solid one in on the board

    3a. Best RB/LB/CB on the board

    3b. Trey Millard best player on the board

    4a. Best Athlete on the board

    4b. Best Player on the board

    5. Best Player on the board

    6. Best Player on the board

    7. Best Player on the board

    Uh, no. But I do assume you played OL! We could field the first Almost All First Round OL in history... which doesn't mean shit!

    @baconhound said:

    1a. Jake Matthews/Taylor Lewan whomever is available

    1b. Mike Evans

    2. Best LB/CB or a QB if a solid one in on the board

    3a. Best RB/LB/CB on the board

    3b. Trey Millard best player on the board

    4a. Best Athlete on the board

    4b. Best Player on the board

    5. Best Player on the board

    6. Best Player on the board

    7. Best Player on the board

  • 1) Trade for Marcus Mariota - Still too enticing with size, elite speed, and arm strength... His production has stagnated a bit but you can put that on the knee trouble and the questionable play calling. Either way he is still having a fantastic season and just turned 20.

    2) Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt

    3) Seantrel Henderson, OT, Miami

    3) Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin

    4) Rob Blanchflower, TE, Massachusetts

    4) Ladarius Perkins, RB, Mississippi State

    5) Kadeem Edwards, OG, Tennessee State

    6) Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon

    7) Marcus Coker, RB, Stony Brook

    I have two problems: I'm starting to question Mariota's mental toughness. It just bugs me and I can't get over it.

    And I think maybe you took the back too late. But I like a lot of your draft.

    @mdmusch said:

    1) Trade for Marcus Mariota - Still too enticing with size, elite speed, and arm strength... His production has stagnated a bit but you can put that on the knee trouble and the questionable play calling. Either way he is still having a fantastic season and just turned 20.
    2) Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt
    3) Seantrel Henderson, OT, Miami
    3) Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin
    4) Rob Blanchflower, TE, Massachusetts
    4) Ladarius Perkins, RB, Mississippi State
    5) Kadeem Edwards, OG, Tennessee State
    6) Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon
    7) Marcus Coker, RB, Stony Brook

  • 1a. Derek Carr QB* - Fresno State

    1b. Davante Adams WR* - Fresno State (if he declares - only a sophomore)

    2. A.J. Johnson ILB* - Tennessee

    3a. Ka'Deem Carey RB* - Arizona

    3b. Loucheiz Purifoy CB* - Florida

    Later Rounds:

    WR

    RB

    CB

    S

  • I have two problems: I'm starting to question Mariota's mental toughness. It just bugs me and I can't get over it.

    And I think maybe you took the back too late. But I like a lot of your draft.

    @mdmusch said:

    1) Trade for Marcus Mariota - Still too enticing with size, elite speed, and arm strength... His production has stagnated a bit but you can put that on the knee trouble and the questionable play calling. Either way he is still having a fantastic season and just turned 20.
    2) Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt
    3) Seantrel Henderson, OT, Miami
    3) Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin
    4) Rob Blanchflower, TE, Massachusetts
    4) Ladarius Perkins, RB, Mississippi State
    5) Kadeem Edwards, OG, Tennessee State
    6) Taylor Hart, DE, Oregon
    7) Marcus Coker, RB, Stony Brook

    @shep said:

    I have two problems: I'm starting to question Mariota's mental toughness. It just bugs me and I can't get over it.

    The biggest drawback to Mariota for me is similiar but it is his killer instinct. Of all the Oregon games I have watched I just don't see the killer instinct that I see with Manziel, who I am not an advocate for at all.

  • Getting into Garoppollo a lot. Watched some highlights. He's a small school guy but he has a gorgeous throwing motion with a lightning fast release... truly looks the part. He'd be there early 3rd if we REALLY love Hoyer. I just don't see us going that way.

    I have this feeling someone's gonna fall in love with him and trade up to draft him late 2nd. If you haven't watched him, do.

  • Getting into Garoppollo a lot. Watched some highlights. He's a small school guy but he has a gorgeous throwing motion with a lightning fast release... truly looks the part. He'd be there early 3rd if we REALLY love Hoyer. I just don't see us going that way.

    I have this feeling someone's gonna fall in love with him and trade up to draft him late 2nd. If you haven't watched him, do.

    @shep said:

    Getting into Garoppollo a lot. Watched some highlights. He's a small school guy but he has a gorgeous throwing motion with a lightning fast release... truly looks the part. He'd be there early 3rd if we REALLY love Hoyer. I just don't see us going that way.

    I have this feeling someone's gonna fall in love with him and trade up to draft him late 2nd. If you haven't watched him, do.

    Garoppollo? Really? Just having a guy on the team with that name could be fun.

  • I am officially in love with Jimmy Garopollo.

    His release is lightning. His size is ideal. His mobility seems to be above average. His production is unrivaled (48 TD 8 INT this season), and he has made every key throw you look for in NFL prospects. He's not an idiot.

    For a third (or second) round pick, I think he'd be a great pick.

    Unfortunately, this reeks of a Lombardi reach. With all this hype, I could see Lombardi salivating and rubbing his fat hands together and taking Garopollo in the first.