Official Browns QB Prospect Discussion!
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I can absolutely see Carr. I'm getting down to him and Hundley because Hoyer buys us some time.
I usually wouldn't draft a back as high as early 2nd round, but we might get great value there. We'll be "drafting" Pinkston and Faulk (not to mention Dion Lewis) next year, so I'm not that into the guard thing. Before Campbell went out, our offense seemed to be ticking along pretty well. I saw definite running lanes for Obie and Fozzy.
I would argue that getting a top 10 guard would set us up better for NEXT year than getting a QB. I'm not sure what game youre watching lol. Our guards are awful. They're servicable in the pass game and they can open holes on dives but we cannot run outside the tackles at all, and that's because of our plodding guards. If we go the route of getting a mobile QB we definitely need a new G. Id bet we could get a lot more out of the backs we already have if we upgrade there (and if we could bring in a good blocking FB/TE that would go a long way also.)I can absolutely see Carr. I'm getting down to him and Hundley because Hoyer buys us some time.
I usually wouldn't draft a back as high as early 2nd round, but we might get great value there. We'll be "drafting" Pinkston and Faulk (not to mention Dion Lewis) next year, so I'm not that into the guard thing. Before Campbell went out, our offense seemed to be ticking along pretty well. I saw definite running lanes for Obie and Fozzy.
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Speaking of guards, how long before Joe Thomas loses a step and moves to guard like Ryan Tucker did?
I thought Tucker was a damn good guard.
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I honestly am NOT sold on any of the "big name" QBs for the 2014 draft, but here's a kid I really DO like...Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Illinois. His "Welker clone" WR Erik Lora is interesting too in later rounds. Garoppolo has broken most, if not all, of Tony Romo's records there & check out his lightning quick release. I read where all 32 NFL teams have scouted him.
Mike
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Carr punched his ticket to the Heisman cermoney yesterday with 500 yards and 5 TDs. His numbers are sick.
I thought Hundley played very well in a loss that can't be pinned on him (38-33). If the Browns are still smitten with Hoyer (I am), and Hundley does declare, the math works fantastically. A full year of coaching from Chud and Norv would be exactly what he needs. Good kid, off the charts ability.
Carr punched his ticket to the Heisman cermoney yesterday with 500 yards and 5 TDs. His numbers are sick.
I thought Hundley played very well in a loss that can't be pinned on him (38-33). If the Browns are still smitten with Hoyer (I am), and Hundley does declare, the math works fantastically. A full year of coaching from Chud and Norv would be exactly what he needs. Good kid, off the charts ability.
Not so fast my friend... competition level counts... If he wins out, then AJ takes the Heisman and I will not hold that against him.
Watched some more of Hundley this past weekend vs. ASU... mostly first half. Reminded me of a slightly shorter/ faster version of Campbell. Also while I knew he was an underclassman, I did not realize he's a red shirt sophomore. Not a lot of seasoning there... I am still not sold on him.
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Carr punched his ticket to the Heisman cermoney yesterday with 500 yards and 5 TDs. His numbers are sick.
I thought Hundley played very well in a loss that can't be pinned on him (38-33). If the Browns are still smitten with Hoyer (I am), and Hundley does declare, the math works fantastically. A full year of coaching from Chud and Norv would be exactly what he needs. Good kid, off the charts ability.
Not so fast my friend... competition level counts... If he wins out, then AJ takes the Heisman and I will not hold that against him.
Watched some more of Hundley this past weekend vs. ASU... mostly first half. Reminded me of a slightly shorter/ faster version of Campbell. Also while I knew he was an underclassman, I did not realize he's a red shirt sophomore. Not a lot of seasoning there... I am still not sold on him.
Not so fast my friend... competition level counts... If he wins out, then AJ takes the Heisman and I will not hold that against him.
Watched some more of Hundley this past weekend vs. ASU... mostly first half. Reminded me of a slightly shorter/ faster version of Campbell. Also while I knew he was an underclassman, I did not realize he's a red shirt sophomore. Not a lot of seasoning there... I am still not sold on him.
I think Hundley's experience (or lack thereof) is what enamors him to most.
He's putting up very solid numbers against solid (and occasionally great) competition and he's only been a starter for one full season. His ceiling is sky high. With the right coaching, he could be very good.
Our situation seems to be the perfect scenario for him, we have a QB already on our roster who has shown glimpses of being a starting caliber player. He's played and showed enough for us to be intrigued, but not long enough for us to know what exactly we have in him.
Hundley is a top notch talent who's only real knock is that he hasn't had enough coaching. We're in the market for a talented QB, we have a supposed QB guru as our OC, and we have a guy who is talented and smart enough to keep the seat warm for Hundley while we groom him.
We could even go the route of Washington and take another middle round guy as insurance.
Hundley and Bortles...I think I would crap my pants, honestly.
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I honestly am NOT sold on any of the "big name" QBs for the 2014 draft, but here's a kid I really DO like...Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Illinois. His "Welker clone" WR Erik Lora is interesting too in later rounds. Garoppolo has broken most, if not all, of Tony Romo's records there & check out his lightning quick release. I read where all 32 NFL teams have scouted him.
Mike
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I've been getting curious about Garoppolo. Lots of draftnick types dig him.
I honestly am NOT sold on any of the "big name" QBs for the 2014 draft, but here's a kid I really DO like...Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Illinois. His "Welker clone" WR Erik Lora is interesting too in later rounds. Garoppolo has broken most, if not all, of Tony Romo's records there & check out his lightning quick release. I read where all 32 NFL teams have scouted him.
Mike
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Hundley isn't a guy you draft this season and expect to start.
He's a guy like Rodgers. You ease him in. Let him experience different scenarios. You can run the risk of letting him become RG3 if not brought along correctly, i.e. a guy who relies on pure physical talent when things get rough.
There's 64 players in the league like that. They're called backups. A real QB knows what the defense is doing, and has the talent to make them pay.
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What's a top 10 guard? You mean, like one of the top 10 guards? Not a guard drafted in the top 10, right???
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The Browns will draft Bortles, Carr, or Garoppolo.
Take it to the bank.
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I honestly am NOT sold on any of the "big name" QBs for the 2014 draft, but here's a kid I really DO like...Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Illinois. His "Welker clone" WR Erik Lora is interesting too in later rounds. Garoppolo has broken most, if not all, of Tony Romo's records there & check out his lightning quick release. I read where all 32 NFL teams have scouted him.
Mike
I honestly am NOT sold on any of the "big name" QBs for the 2014 draft, but here's a kid I really DO like...Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Illinois. His "Welker clone" WR Erik Lora is interesting too in later rounds. Garoppolo has broken most, if not all, of Tony Romo's records there & check out his lightning quick release. I read where all 32 NFL teams have scouted him.
Garoppolo is not a big name? How many letters do you need?
His release is very quick to be sure, but really did not see arm strength in vid #1... even in the one red zone slant he threw. After the fifth, wide-open streak he completed for a TD, I started losing interest.
Hundley isn't a guy you draft this season and expect to start.
Easy to agree there since with one possible exception I do not see an instant starter at QB in the draft. When I evaluate the heads in this QB draft, I only see one that is currently NFL calibre... McCarron. The kid makes reads...
Since I only get to see heads on the field, it is possible that others, including Hundley, have one, but file that under facts not in evidence for now.
I have a real hard time drafting a QB "high" that I do not believe is ready to start. Where does high end? Somewhere nearing the end of round one.
The Browns will draft Bortles, Carr, or Garoppolo.
Take it to the bank.
Unless they draft Manziel or Hundley or McCarron or...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I honestly am NOT sold on any of the "big name" QBs for the 2014 draft, but here's a kid I really DO like...Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Illinois. His "Welker clone" WR Erik Lora is interesting too in later rounds. Garoppolo has broken most, if not all, of Tony Romo's records there & check out his lightning quick release. I read where all 32 NFL teams have scouted him.
Garoppolo is not a big name? How many letters do you need?
His release is very quick to be sure, but really did not see arm strength in vid #1... even in the one red zone slant he threw. After the fifth, wide-open streak he completed for a TD, I started losing interest.
Hundley isn't a guy you draft this season and expect to start.
Easy to agree there since with one possible exception I do not see an instant starter at QB in the draft. When I evaluate the heads in this QB draft, I only see one that is currently NFL calibre... McCarron. The kid makes reads...
Since I only get to see heads on the field, it is possible that others, including Hundley, have one, but file that under facts not in evidence for now.
I have a real hard time drafting a QB "high" that I do not believe is ready to start. Where does high end? Somewhere nearing the end of round one.
The Browns will draft Bortles, Carr, or Garoppolo.
Take it to the bank.
Unless they draft Manziel or Hundley or McCarron or...
Garoppolo is not a big name? How many letters do you need?
His release is very quick to be sure, but really did not see arm strength in vid #1... even in the one red zone slant he threw. After the fifth, wide-open streak he completed for a TD, I started losing interest.
Easy to agree there since with one possible exception I do not see an instant starter at QB in the draft. When I evaluate the heads in this QB draft, I only see one that is currently NFL calibre... McCarron. The kid makes reads...
Since I only get to see heads on the field, it is possible that others, including Hundley, have one, but file that under facts not in evidence for now.
I have a real hard time drafting a QB "high" that I do not believe is ready to start. Where does high end? Somewhere nearing the end of round one.
Unless they draft Manziel or Hundley or McCarron or...
I believe Garopollo has plenty enough arm strength, but I quickly grew disinterested for the same reason you did.
I watched a couple videos of Garopollo and thought "This guy is easily the best prospect in the draft". But then I watched a couple more videos, and then a couple more. I realized that his success comes more from beating up on the lack of speed and talent in the FCS level corners.
His go to move is a pump fake to a play side slant, and then hitting the backside receiver on a 9 route against man coverage. In every video I've watched, that play has been present once or twice. In the NFL, he's not going to have that gift wrapped for him.
Another concern is that I haven't seen him throw an out. A QB who can throw a perfect out route can throw just about any other pass needed. It's a timing route that, by the time the QB reaches his drop back, will have to travel about 25 yards and be on point. Of the "short" passes, it's actually a decently long pass.
I still think he's a very interesting prospect. He has nearly everything you'd want, but I think he may be more suited for an offense like KC's. A spread offense to widen the field with WCO-like short routes intended to set up the run.
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He might indeed fit the WCO best... but he has some huge fans who say he has a legit NFL arm and makes every throw.
Still: Mariota, Hundley, Manziel, Carr. I bet we get one of those four and Hoyer starts the opener.
He might indeed fit the WCO best... but he has some huge fans who say he has a legit NFL arm and makes every throw.
Still: Mariota, Hundley, Manziel, Carr. I bet we get one of those four and Hoyer starts the opener.
I don't deny the fact that he's capable of making all the throws.
I'm just worried that he hasn't yet, and that's a throw you certainly need in your arsenal to play in the NFL.
He's in an offense that is really set up for him to succeed. Fast receivers, spread offense, quick underneath routes and what I believe to be a great hot route system.
This is only a guess, but with what I've seen so far, I believe that the wide outs are primarily given option routes and are taught to diagnose the defense pre snap and determine their own routes.
If the wide out recognizes man coverage, based on the play call, he either has a slant or a go. Zone coverage, it seems like a hitch or a post.
This could be completely wrong and I'm sure it is. It's very possible that the OC is just an expert at analyzing situational defenses and calling plays to beat them.
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I can't wait until next October so we can talk about the 2015 draft.
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I can't wait until next October so we can talk about the 2015 draft.
I can't wait until next October so we can talk about the 2015 draft.
and all the good QB prospects out there cuz the one we traded picks for, moved up to get in 2014 is a bust.
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calfoxwc, on 28 Nov 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:
The Browns will draft Bortles, Carr, or Garoppolo.
Take it to the bank.
Unless they draft Manziel or Hundley or McCarron or... Tour
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Well, I forgot McCarron.
But the Browns won't draft Manziel. Not a chance. Face it, they
can't take the chance.
And Hundley... he amazing, but I don't see him as a sure fire
NFL read defenses great guy.
But if Chud and co. draft him, they will do it knowing he can.
It's all so complicated this year.
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