Joe Haden
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In many of their schemes Haden typically gives a ton of space at the line of scrimmage. If you blitz the opposing team will get it out quick. Add that to the fact that Mingo is too small and Kruger is too slow and in a 3-4 you aren't getting to the QB.
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He might get voted to the pro bowl. and he might deserve it. But when there was 40 seconds left against the jags, and all he had to do was keep some schmuck wr in front of him..............HE FAILED.
He might get voted to the pro bowl. and he might deserve it. But when there was 40 seconds left against the jags, and all he had to do was keep some schmuck wr in front of him..............HE FAILED.
This thread should qualify for the dumb fuck of the year award. Make your mind up as well, in a prior post you said in caps "HE'S NOT PRO BOWL MATERIAL". Now in this post you say he may go the the pro bowl and he might deserve it? Which is it??
Why don't you enlighten us as to who 6 better DB's in the league are.
Every athlete including those who are elite has failed at one time or another in a clutch situation. They are still human. Again point out any elite athlete you are aware of that has NEVER failed in a clutch situation.
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Still in denial.... take away Weeden's 13 gift points and what the score? Now go away. Simple.
even with weeden's 13 point gifts, we were WINNING until Haden blew that play. And then we lost. You obviously live in the what if life.
What if Colt was a good QB, or we would've draft LaDainian............ would've Holmgen wasn't a fat cash hungry idiot
even with weeden's 13 point gifts, we were WINNING until Haden blew that play. And then we lost. You obviously live in the what if life.
What if Colt was a good QB, or we would've draft LaDainian............ would've Holmgen wasn't a fat cash hungry idiot
It's a TEAM sport and a TEAM loss. You can't pin the loss on Haden's blown coverage anymore than Weeden's failures or those of others on the team that allowed scoring drives to continue and succeed.
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I have been saying this for 4 years.
Joe Haden is NOT a top flite CB
Top Flite CB's are 1 yard in front of the best WR. He NEVER plays that close, He might line up and play the other teams best WR, but he gets beat all day long by them. He never jams ANYONE and just thinks he can make up the space.
This is the NFL...........JOE, not the SEC, unless you are Dion Sanders or Darrell Green, you have to be in the guys face at the snap.
Haden can pick off passes when the QB pulls a Weeden, but when a WR is allowed to run off the line, Haden is an average DB.
If they want him to play the other teams best WR, then put him 1 yard infront of said WR and let the defense worry about the rest
Haden has been burned on TOO MANY plays
I have been saying this for 4 years.
Joe Haden is NOT a top flite CB
Top Flite CB's are 1 yard in front of the best WR. He NEVER plays that close, He might line up and play the other teams best WR, but he gets beat all day long by them. He never jams ANYONE and just thinks he can make up the space.
This is the NFL...........JOE, not the SEC, unless you are Dion Sanders or Darrell Green, you have to be in the guys face at the snap.
Haden can pick off passes when the QB pulls a Weeden, but when a WR is allowed to run off the line, Haden is an average DB.
If they want him to play the other teams best WR, then put him 1 yard infront of said WR and let the defense worry about the rest
Haden has been burned on TOO MANY plays
You are nuts. Joe would start for 32 teams in this league.
Chew on that.
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Why wont videos post anymore??? This is gay.
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Why wont videos post anymore??? This is gay.
why are you underlining the link?
just copy the link and paste it into your response.
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This thread pisses me off. The guy is phenomenal. Yea he screwed up yesterday. He knows it. We know it. Everyone knows it. Let's just forget how great he's been against some of the league's best because he had a touchdown scored on him yesterday that paved the way for our loss. Even the best screw up sometimes. Peyton Manning has 9 INTs this year and I highly doubt there are threads criticizing him and his game because he's screwed up 9 times. Quit hating on one of our best players when the problem isn't just him.
The best part about yesterday was the fact that Haden took it so personally. That's a leader. That's passion. That's someone that you want as the face of your organization. His tears and emotions yesterday are exactly like all of ours as fans. We're tired of losing and know we deserve better. Haden deserves better. I don't know how far this team is away from competing, but I know we're closer to it WITH Haden than we are without him.
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why are you underlining the link?
just copy the link and paste it into your response.
I don't know, I'm not underlining it, just looks like that normally... I don't know, I clicked in the html, once highlighted I right click, copy, come here, paste, then I get underlined text no video.... hmmm...
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just did the same thing.
gotta be a windows prob.
get a mac and save your hair.
don't you have a command key shortcut to copy and paste? i.e. mac is: command c (to copy) and command v (to paste. try it that way, maybe that will solve the prob.
OR once you do paste it in and you see that it's underlined, highlight the link and hit the underline icon in reply window and maybe it will undo the underline.
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This thread pisses me off. The guy is phenomenal. Yea he screwed up yesterday. He knows it. We know it. Everyone knows it. Let's just forget how great he's been against some of the league's best because he had a touchdown scored on him yesterday that paved the way for our loss. Even the best screw up sometimes. Peyton Manning has 9 INTs this year and I highly doubt there are threads criticizing him and his game because he's screwed up 9 times. Quit hating on one of our best players when the problem isn't just him.
The best part about yesterday was the fact that Haden took it so personally. That's a leader. That's passion. That's someone that you want as the face of your organization. His tears and emotions yesterday are exactly like all of ours as fans. We're tired of losing and know we deserve better. Haden deserves better. I don't know how far this team is away from competing, but I know we're closer to it WITH Haden than we are without him.
This thread pisses me off. The guy is phenomenal. Yea he screwed up yesterday. He knows it. We know it. Everyone knows it. Let's just forget how great he's been against some of the league's best because he had a touchdown scored on him yesterday that paved the way for our loss. Even the best screw up sometimes. Peyton Manning has 9 INTs this year and I highly doubt there are threads criticizing him and his game because he's screwed up 9 times. Quit hating on one of our best players when the problem isn't just him.
The best part about yesterday was the fact that Haden took it so personally. That's a leader. That's passion. That's someone that you want as the face of your organization. His tears and emotions yesterday are exactly like all of ours as fans. We're tired of losing and know we deserve better. Haden deserves better. I don't know how far this team is away from competing, but I know we're closer to it WITH Haden than we are without him.
Perfectly said! Give me 22 players with Haden's ability, passion & PRIDE & I would have a slam dunk Super Bowl winner.
Joe Haden & Joe Thomas...maybe we should draft ALL Joes!!!
Mike
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even with weeden's 13 point gifts, we were WINNING until Haden blew that play. And then we lost. You obviously live in the what if life.
What if Colt was a good QB, or we would've draft LaDainian............ would've Holmgen wasn't a fat cash hungry idiot
It's a TEAM sport and a TEAM loss. You can't pin the loss on Haden's blown coverage anymore than Weeden's failures or those of others on the team that allowed scoring drives to continue and succeed.
It's a TEAM sport and a TEAM loss. You can't pin the loss on Haden's blown coverage anymore than Weeden's failures or those of others on the team that allowed scoring drives to continue and succeed.
Exactly what I'm trying to say- plenty of the other guys on defense had opportunities on that final drive to make stops, there were several third down conversions that can't be laid at Joe's feet. But it's ALL on Joe he gave up that TD?
I'll trust TCPO's opinion on that TD the Browns were in cover 2, and Gipson got caught with his pants down not recognizing Haden needed deep help.
Hehe- our pal said in another thread Baily is an elite corner- I agree 100% with our Bronco poster- make that WAS. Champ has been in the league since 1999, and it's safe to say he's lost a step or two due to age and injury.
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After watching Joe Haden's interview yesterday, I have the world of respect for him,
hugely more than I even did before, which I wouldn't have thought possible.
He just said that on 3 and 9, he went to break on the ball, and should never have
done it. Shook his head sadly, and admitted his big mistake.
Peyton Manning throws an interception. Does that make him a piece
of crap qb?
Come ON, man. Haden is a human being, too. And very close to being the very best
cb in the entire NFL. But Shorts III? Track star? High hurdler? and anybody wants
to get po'd that Joe made a split second mistake, and Shorts gets the big step on him?
Seriously? When the defense is going for broke, trying to still win the game, with
Weeden giving up three really dumb ass turnovers for points?
I really wish our Browns had several Joe Hadens.
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I think what some of the posters on here were saying was that when Haden got suckerd in on that double move that pretty much was the ball game. The odds of weeds going 80 yards for TD were slim. I don't think anyone meant to imply that one poor play from Haden is the sole reason we lost the game, but one of many reasons. Now whether an "elite" CB, gets tooled like that at that stage of the game with his team leading with under a minute, is another matter. I not knowlegable enough to say either way. I don't believe however that anyone was denying that he is a very good CB! Thank You.
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I think what some of the posters on here were saying was that when Haden got suckerd in on that double move that pretty much was the ball game. The odds of weeds going 80 yards for TD were slim. I don't think anyone meant to imply that one poor play from Haden is the sole reason we lost the game, but one of many reasons. Now whether an "elite" CB, gets tooled like that at that stage of the game with his team leading with under a minute, is another matter. I not knowlegable enough to say either way. I don't believe however that anyone was denying that he is a very good CB! Thank You.
I think what some of the posters on here were saying was that when Haden got suckerd in on that double move that pretty much was the ball game. The odds of weeds going 80 yards for TD were slim. I don't think anyone meant to imply that one poor play from Haden is the sole reason we lost the game, but one of many reasons. Now whether an "elite" CB, gets tooled like that at that stage of the game with his team leading with under a minute, is another matter. I not knowlegable enough to say either way. I don't believe however that anyone was denying that he is a very good CB! Thank You.
very good?
the dude is top five.
i guess you didn't see all the other posts from fans of other teams even condemning the thought that joe haden is average.
we are lucky to have the guy and need his twin (imaginary) to hurry up and get off of IR and come in and play across from him.
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Would Joe Haden shut down Josh Gordon?
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he prob does 80% of the time in practice.
i mean he shut down calvin johson and aj green. can we put gordon on that level yet?
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He might get voted to the pro bowl. and he might deserve it. But when there was 40 seconds left against the jags, and all he had to do was keep some schmuck wr in front of him..............HE FAILED.
He might get voted to the pro bowl. and he might deserve it. But when there was 40 seconds left against the jags, and all he had to do was keep some schmuck wr in front of him..............HE FAILED.
You fail at life....Haden is as elite as it gets. He doesny call the plays bud. Horton tells him where to line up. Name 3 better corners in the league right now.
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He might get voted to the pro bowl. and he might deserve it. But when there was 40 seconds left against the jags, and all he had to do was keep some schmuck wr in front of him..............HE FAILED.
You fail at life....Haden is as elite as it gets. He doesny call the plays bud. Horton tells him where to line up. Name 3 better corners in the league right now.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
You fail at life....Haden is as elite as it gets. He doesny call the plays bud. Horton tells him where to line up. Name 3 better corners in the league right now.
The corner in Winslow Arizona.
The corner of 12th Street and Vine in Kansas City where all the pretty little women walk by.
The Four Corners where Colorado, Utah, Arizona and New Mexico meet.
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