All you former Weeden supporters need to apologize

[Kosar_For_President]

I apologize, the worse miss of my judgement ever. FYI he has a concussion, Tawney in.

[Rooster Dick]

Zombo said:

Ya, we hoped for goods things from our first round draft pick, then we realized he sucked ... A long time ago.

Your posts were not deleted, they were merged into the "I have Colt McCoy's pubes in my teeth" thread.

Z

And you're telling me you wouldn't want Colt McCoy on this team? Please, we would be an easy playoff team with him at the helm. You guys rip people apart for not going along with your Weeden dick riding escapade.

[Zombo]

@rooster-dick said:

And you're telling me you wouldn't want Colt McCoy on this team? Please, we would be an easy playoff team with him at the helm. You guys rip people apart for not going along with your Weeden dick riding escapade.

Yes, I am saying I would not want Colt McCoy on this team.

I gave up on Colt McCoy right about the same time I gave up Weeden ... right around the 16th start.

I had equal hope and support for both ... and I equally gave up on them when they sucked.

They both suck, dude, it's not our fault, what do you want us to say?

Zombo

[gftChris]

Everyone was saying that Weeden looked decent in the pre-season, was in a system that apparently suited him, with a guy renowned for improving QBs - he had a legitimate chance to get better, and many of us were expecting it. Turns out he actually got worse than last year, somehow. if he can't succeed in this offense, he can't succeed anywhere.

[Tour2ma]

@miktoxic said:

we do have a lot of talent on this team. from JT to mack on the OL is solid. we've got a serious#1WR and a decent #2. even with old retread RBs we had a decent running game today. i get it, we have no QB BUT how come other teams with worswe guys can win games? horton is supposed to be some defensive genious that will be hired as a head coach next year. fine with me, see ya. people say we don't need to draft a real #2 CB. well they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. the krueger signing was a waste and mingo and sheard need to bulk up and go to some serious lawrence taylor camp in the off-season. i thought we were only a couple of guys away from completing the defense, but i was wrong. if the FO was smart they'd pick 4 out of 5 picks on D next year.

the coaching staff blows. no creativity. no balance. pure shit. and we had a TE who was #2 in the league the first 5 games. what happened there? you can't coach the guy to get off his blocks mr. TE coach? cameron should be growing and acheiving more. yet he has fallen by the wayside. and what does chud do for anyone? gobble gobble gobble?

Offensively our OL is nowhere near "solid". Both guards and Schwartz have serious limitations.

Defensively we are suffering from the conversion to the 3-4. A conversion that has taken me from skeptical to optimistic to disappointed. The parallel time line to my path is the league's OCs figuring out how to attack us.

The D-line is solid. Taylor is approaching elite status at NT and Hughes has far exceeded my draft day expectations. Our DE's are space eaters capable of generating QB pressure albeit not on a consistent basis. Where the 3-4 conversion is foundering is at the LBs and for the 3-4 there is not a worse position at which to founder.

It's hard to find a pass cover capable LB in the lot. Sheard is still playing like a DE. Ditto for the 270# Kruger, who was a DE/ ILB "tweener" with the Ravens. Neither is fast enough to speed rush from an upright stance. Our designated speed rusher is not strong enough/ lacks the technique to bull rush and play the run.

While fast our ILBs lack the size and strength to stop the run on their own. I love DQ's heart and speed, but he is not the impact ILB we need. Thus TJW is called upon to stuff the run... a job he has excelled at this year. But with his focus on the run, pass defense suffers.

Secondaries really don't care what alignment the front 7 are in. They just need consistent QB pressure from as few defenders as possible. The number that defines "few" in our case has risen steadily through the year.

@gftchris said:

Everyone was saying that Weeden looked decent in the pre-season, was in a system that apparently suited him, with a guy renowned for improving QBs - he had a legitimate chance to get better, and many of us were expecting it. Turns out he actually got worse than last year, somehow. if he can't succeed in this offense, he can't succeed anywhere.

People really need to stop saying "everyone". What you are saying was said was said, but not by everyone.

[gftChris]

@tour2ma said:

People really need to stop saying "everyone". What you are saying was said was said, but not by everyone.

Fair enough. But when someone says 'everyone was saying' it should basically just read as 'what seemed to me to be the overriding opinion on the board'

[Mark O]

The majority opinion was that who knew how good he could be after last year and Shurmurs outdated offense. Let's see what he can do this year in an offense that seemed to be tailor made for Weeden to succeed. We found out that it was tailor made for him to suck at even higher levels of suckiness than he displayed last year which is hard to believe since he sucked pretty bad last year as well.

[Westside Steve]

Well boys and girls I don't apologize for jack shit. If Brandon Weeden starts next week I'll root for him then and the week after and the week after that. I hope he gets his shit together and beats the Pittsburgh fucking Steelers.

Speaking of sucking somebody's pecker could you guys maybe dust off your knees for a minute and look at some replays from the defensive side of the ball? I sat here watching that game with one of our esteemed posters and we watched play after play after play as the faguars converted just about every third down they faced. 4, 8, 13, 12, six, 5 yards every time the bastards touched the ball.

And that wasn't with a Joe Namath at the helm.

And Gordon can't catch any ball that's not near him. That means somebody got it ther.

Am I disappointed that Brandon Weeden hasn't led the Cleveland Browns to a stack of winds? No shit. Just like the other 60 fucking quarterbacks that everyone hates that kept such a great Super Bowl caliber team from their destiny of greatness.

WSS

[nickers]

@miktoxic said:

hated both the TR and weeden picks.

just goes to show you what happens when your FO misses on picks. sets you back years.

fucking gordon is leadin the league today with ctches/yac and they only threw it to him what, 12 times?

shows how much confidence this coaching staff (WHO I PUT MY STAMP ON IT NOW.........SUCKS!!) has in him.

I was meh on the TR pick too...I wanted tannehill over weeds.what still gets Me is Lomtardi wanted nothing to do with Josh Gordon and the kid is playing lights out football. and this years draft outside of Mingo looks..."shitty"...Im really leery of the upcomming draft...but I'll give Lomtardi props on bringing Hoyer on board.

[gftChris]

This FO has been a bit hit and miss on bringing in players to be honest.

Bess - Miss

Kruger - I'm calling it a miss

D Bryant - Hit

Mingo - too early

Groves - injury riddled hit (when he plays our rotation is much better and we tend to get more sacks)

McFadden - way too early, but hasn't done much good yet

Slaughter - miss, thus far

Gilkey - promising

A Bryant - hit

McGahee - miss - though I'm not sure what else we could have done

Hoyer - hit

Campbell - hit

Greco's new, 5 year contract - not looking great so far

Dion Lewis - too early, but promising

[hoorta]

@rooster-dick said:

I agree, basically this whole forum including the Mods were all WEeden supporters. All my posts get deleted. Unreal.

For the same reason we're Browns fans- that is unless you want to see a first round pick flop. I was of the "show me" mode. I've never deleted any of your posts. But keep on being a jerk, we can arrange that.

@rooster-dick said:

And you're telling me you wouldn't want Colt McCoy on this team? Please, we would be an easy playoff team with him at the helm. You guys rip people apart for not going along with your Weeden dick riding escapade.

McCoy might possibly be an upgrade over Tanney, definitely over Weeden, but not Campbell. His ship sailed, and I'm not regretting it.

@mark-o said:

The majority opinion was that who knew how good he could be after last year and Shurmurs outdated offense. Let's see what he can do this year in an offense that seemed to be tailor made for Weeden to succeed. We found out that it was tailor made for him to suck at even higher levels of suckiness than he displayed last year which is hard to believe since he sucked pretty bad last year as well.

Nostradamus is blowing his horn he just knew Wee-Done was gonna suck from the get-go. He was only slightly ahead of the curve.

[miktoxic]

i was a big mccoy supporter for the longest time, only because under mangini and with a running game the team played hard and looked very young and hungry and rob ryan defense WAS pretty good.

then the holmgren/shurmur under the table deal. holmgren basically drafted mccoy and when he saw that he wasn't all that lied to the kid's face and drafted weeden. mccoy's skillset just wasn't there for a downfield attacking style of offense and his height diminished his skills even further from not being able to see over the line. sure he could scramble but he ain't no russell wilson.

it was time to part ways when holmgren ran for the hills with his pot 'o gold, never apologizing for anything.

mccoy might have had a better record than weeden at this point only if he threw 15 yd. slants and outs and gordon ran for 50 yds a catch. but dude, the guy is gone. there's nothing anyone can do about it.

weeden just plain sucks with his decision making and his total lack of pocket presence and not being able to throw the ball with touch. just nothing but fastballs.

this draft will be huge.

[hoorta]

@gftchris said:

This FO has been a bit hit and miss on bringing in players to be honest.

Bess - Miss was brought in to be a possession receiver- Developed some dropitis, but what are you looking for in a #3 WR?

Kruger - I'm calling it a miss expensive, but does not suck

D Bryant - Hit

Mingo - too early

Groves - injury riddled hit (when he plays our rotation is much better and we tend to get more sacks)

McFadden - way too early, but hasn't done much good yet

Slaughter - miss, thus far

Gilkey - promising

A Bryant - hit

McGahee - miss - though I'm not sure what else we could have done was brought in as a one year rent-a-player. Stats as good or better than Richardson's. You were expecting LeSean McCoy numbers?

Hoyer - hit

Campbell - hit

Greco's new, 5 year contract - not looking great so far

Dion Lewis - too early, but promising

[gftChris]

@hoorta said:

@gftchris said:

This FO has been a bit hit and miss on bringing in players to be honest.

Bess - Miss was brought in to be a possession receiver- Developed some dropitis, but what are you looking for in a #3 WR?

Kruger - I'm calling it a miss expensive, but does not suck

McGahee - miss - though I'm not sure what else we could have done was brought in as a one year rent-a-player. Stats as good or better than Richardson's. You were expecting LeSean McCoy numbers?

Call Bess a miss because of the dropitis - for a possession receiver, it's the worst possible thing. Plus, he seems to have been promoted to #2 receiver, under the radar. 28ypg not great for a number 2 or 3.

Kruger doesn't suck, but we need more than that from a major offseason acquisition.

McGahee - it's difficult to see what else we could have done, but I'm sure we could have got 35 ypg, 2.8 ypc from any of the backs we have had available this year - Ogbonnaya, Rainey, Whittaker, or whoever.

[Zombo]

Bess - Miss was brought in to be a possession receiver- Developed some dropitis, but what are you looking for in a #3 WR?

Catching the football? Besides, he's officially the #2 receiver ... although they are both pretty much worthless, except for the one game where Campbell got them both involved.

Zombo

[Buck The Frowns]

Weeden is not horrible, he is just a middling type of QB. I never understood why he was worth a first round pick, and was mystified by that decision. He is only a year and a half younger than Roethlisberger, and you can put an upper limit on a player like that, only notable exception that I can think of being Roger Staubach. He was destined to only develop to a certain level.

Why they did not trade that pick for multiple lower rounders I do not know. Weeden surely would have been there later.

[gftChris]

@buck-the-frowns said:

Weeden is not horrible, he is just a middling type of QB. I never understood why he was worth a first round pick, and was mystified by that decision. He is only a year and a half younger than Roethlisberger, and you can put an upper limit on a player like that, only notable exception that I can think of being Roger Staubach. He was destined to only develop to a certain level.

Why they did not trade that pick for multiple lower rounders I do not know. Weeden surely would have been there later.

If we're going to repick that draft, you take Luke Kuechly with the 22nd pick.

Middling QB? Middle of what? Not a middling starter for sure. A middling backup? Somewhere in the middle of the 90+ qbs in the league? Even that might be a stretch.

[The Gipper]

@buck-the-frowns said:

Weeden is not horrible, he is just a middling type of QB. I never understood why he was worth a first round pick, and was mystified by that decision. He is only a year and a half younger than Roethlisberger, and you can put an upper limit on a player like that, only notable exception that I can think of being Roger Staubach. He was destined to only develop to a certain level.

Why they did not trade that pick for multiple lower rounders I do not know. Weeden surely would have been there later.

Of course that is all hindsight. What Holmgren/Heckert wanted was a taller/stronger/stronger armed QB than they had in McCoy.

Well, they DID get that. Weeden is much taller and his arm is much stronger. He has great arm strength. Arm strength isn't his problem. Brain strength is his problem. If Arm strength was all that mattered we would have had one of the most stable QB situations in the NFL the last 6-7 years because Derek Anderson would still be here as our starting QB.

I mean, Derek Anderson is right now just 30 years old....an age where he should be in the prime of his career.....if his career had held the arc that he established in 2007.

But DA and Weeden, besides being the same age (DA born June 1983, BW Oct. 1983) seemed to have come out of the same womb when it comes to QB intellect.

[Buck The Frowns]

@gftchris said:

If we're going to repick that draft, you take Luke Kuechly with the 22nd pick.

Middling QB? Middle of what? Not a middling starter for sure. A middling backup? Somewhere in the middle of the 90+ qbs in the league? Even that might be a stretch.

I rechecked the QB ratings, and you are right, he is lower than I thought. But what has not been answered is, why on earth did they pick him? A first round draft choice is a valuable commodity. And I felt at the time that Weeden equivalents are around on the waiver list all the time, so why draft one? Every team has draft busts, and every team also has overachievers who come from Podunk State, but this pick just made no sense from the get go.

[hoorta]

@buck-the-frowns said:

I rechecked the QB ratings, and you are right, he is lower than I thought. But what has not been answered is, why on earth did they pick him? A first round draft choice is a valuable commodity. And I felt at the time that Weeden equivalents are around on the waiver list all the time, so why draft one? Every team has draft busts, and every team also has overachievers who come from Podunk State, but this pick just made no sense from the get go.

He's averaging only 50% completion rate, (and don't blame that all on Bess or Little- he's wildly inaccurate) 9\9 TD-INT ratio and a qbr of 70. most importantly, hasn't really won a game yet this year. That screams backup at best. He's had almost 2 seasons to show what he's got- and it isn't enough.

Weeden- and Richardson for that matter- were panic picks by H&H. Both were major reaches. Win now or bust- well, they busted big time. What they thought they saw in Brandon was a mature guy who could step right in and light up the league. They saw college tapes of that cannon arm tossing rainbows to a wide open Blackmon. What they didn't count on were his major flaws- panics under pressure- How many underhand bloopers has he tossed so far? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I count 4. Let's add in those strip sacks that have killed drives and games. Until he got into the Big Boy League, his other major failing wasn't apparent- between his ears- can't process the speed of the pro game adequately.

The guy is anti-clutch, take it to the bank he's gone after this year. He may possibly hang around the league a few years as a backup- mainly because of that cannon arm- but honestly, Colt McCoy has better credentials as a backup than Wee-Done.