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None of them are very interesting, Chud and Norv are going to have to go back to the drawing board on this whole running game thing and there are things they might want to discuss with the personnel department too, subjects up for discussion could include: why they have a line that can't run block, why they don't have a fullback, why they have no talent at running back and how all those pass attempts got three QBs injured and just four wins.
Zombo
Zombo said:
None of them are very interesting, Chud and Norv are going to have to go back to the drawing board on this whole running game thing and there are things they might want to discuss with the personnel department too, subjects up for discussion could include: why they have a line that can't run block, why they don't have a fullback, why they have no talent at running back and how all those pass attempts got three QBs injured and just four wins.
Zombo
How about getting a QB that can run an offense from under center, being in shotgun 99% of the time is what's killing our run game.
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Running backs come from all over, almost polar opposite of QBs. Bobby Rainey has like 470 yards for the Bucs. Hell, Jamaal Charles was a low pick or undrafted, right? The Lions have a guy platooning with Bush I've never heard of, but he looks fantastic. And the Chiefs have a guy spelling Charles who looks terrific (#34). James Starks. Etc.
Not really groundbreaking if Edwin Baker becomes really good. There are more guys who can run with a football than there are positions available in the league. There's nothing I saw from Baker that tells me he couldn't become an important cog in an NFL team's running attack. He's built low, he cuts decisively, and he can catch.
Bam. Nothing wrong with all of that. For me, right now from "the tryouts" this year, knowing we can't do much without consistent high level QB play anyway? I'd say Dion Lewis, Edwin Baker, and Obie can be joined by Carlos Hyde and there ain't nothing wrong with that group.
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Running backs come from all over, almost polar opposite of QBs. Bobby Rainey has like 470 yards for the Bucs. Hell, Jamaal Charles was a low pick or undrafted, right? The Lions have a guy platooning with Bush I've never heard of, but he looks fantastic. And the Chiefs have a guy spelling Charles who looks terrific (#34). James Starks. Etc.
Not really groundbreaking if Edwin Baker becomes really good. There are more guys who can run with a football than there are positions available in the league. There's nothing I saw from Baker that tells me he couldn't become an important cog in an NFL team's running attack. He's built low, he cuts decisively, and he can catch.
Bam. Nothing wrong with all of that. For me, right now from "the tryouts" this year, knowing we can't do much without consistent high level QB play anyway? I'd say Dion Lewis, Edwin Baker, and Obie can be joined by Carlos Hyde and there ain't nothing wrong with that group.
Running backs come from all over, almost polar opposite of QBs. Bobby Rainey has like 470 yards for the Bucs. Hell, Jamaal Charles was a low pick or undrafted, right? The Lions have a guy platooning with Bush I've never heard of, but he looks fantastic. And the Chiefs have a guy spelling Charles who looks terrific (#34). James Starks. Etc.
Not really groundbreaking if Edwin Baker becomes really good. There are more guys who can run with a football than there are positions available in the league. There's nothing I saw from Baker that tells me he couldn't become an important cog in an NFL team's running attack. He's built low, he cuts decisively, and he can catch.
Bam. Nothing wrong with all of that. For me, right now from "the tryouts" this year, knowing we can't do much without consistent high level QB play anyway? I'd say Dion Lewis, Edwin Baker, and Obie can be joined by Carlos Hyde and there ain't nothing wrong with that group.
Charles was a third round pick. Not necessarily low, but not a big name either.
I firmly believe that there is fantastic RB talent available in the 3-4th round. The biggest factor is scheme fit. McCoy wouldn't be nearly as productive on a power run team, just as Gerhart wouldn't be as productive in the spread.
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@mike-h said:
They should trade up and draft another Bama RB No. 3 overall.
Funny how all of T Richs lovers and people who claimed RB was worth drafting that high either disappear when it gets brought up or changed their tune.
How is that funny? What did you expect? lol
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@mike-h said:
They should trade up and draft another Bama RB No. 3 overall.
Funny how all of T Richs lovers and people who claimed RB was worth drafting that high either disappear when it gets brought up or changed their tune.
Of course they would change their tune....unless they were freeking idiots.
A guy that said then "TR is worth the #3 pick in the draft".....would certainly have a different opinion now.
I, for one, certainly thought that TR was worth a high draft pick......every single professional draft guru agreed with that contention.
I don't think you could go back to any draft evaluation service and find one that did not say that TR was a Top Ten pick material.
So if all the Mel Kipers/Todd McShays/Ourlads/CBS/Scouts Inc./Walter Football etc. etc. etc. guys were all wrong....why shouldn't we ordinary schlubs be wrong as well?
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@mike-h said:
They should trade up and draft another Bama RB No. 3 overall.
Funny how all of T Richs lovers and people who claimed RB was worth drafting that high either disappear when it gets brought up or changed their tune.
Funny how if there are any that still think TR was worth a high pick you'd be calling them boneheaded or something. Mistakes are made.
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In the spirit of this committee'ed up backfield, what's HIllis up to? Still on the Giants IR? Bring him in. We'll have 10 RB's on the roster next year.
Seriously though, Obi as our FB? that's a joke, it had better be remedied by next year. FB is actually a position we need to take a good hard look at. We need a dedicated every down FB that will target LB'ers and put his helmet on em on every fucking down....we had a guy like that, was responsible for the best running game we've had since the Byner/Mack days.
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@mike-h said:
That's the whole problem with posting on a forum and "debating", people are forming opinions from others' work and then defending them like they're their own. Which adds emotion to it.
I watched T Rich's tape, argued with Dane Brugler for weeks, and told him he wasnt worth a high pick. I was called plenty of names on forums and at the bottom of my articles.
Just think it's funny those same people flopped to the other side: devaluing the RB position in general.
I guess my point is to do your own research if you're going to call people names and insult their intelligence and/or manhood.
Another good point is don't assume that you're the only one who does research. There's plenty of people who do their due diligence on here, just as there are plenty who don't. It's easy to weed out the blowhards and the ill-informed and equally as easy to take those opinions with a grain of salt.
With that said, we're all fans, regardless of our backgrounds. We all have opinions and, in the grand scheme of things, none of our opinions are more important than the rest. I can be very condescending and standoffish, but I also check this site multiple times throughout the day because I enjoy conversing about the Browns and respect the dialogue that takes place here.
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@mike-h said:
That's the whole problem with posting on a forum and "debating", people are forming opinions from others' work and then defending them like they're their own. Which adds emotion to it.
I watched T Rich's tape, argued with Dane Brugler for weeks, and told him he wasnt worth a high pick. I was called plenty of names on forums and at the bottom of my articles.
Just think it's funny those same people flopped to the other side: devaluing the RB position in general.
I guess my point is to do your own research if you're going to call people names and insult their intelligence and/or manhood.
But you are making your point bass ackwards. You are claiming that some of those people that you argued with about TRs value would still be claiming that he was still worth the #3 spot in the draft. I am saying they would NOT continue to hold that position. How could/would they.
And I am sure you have held high opinions about certain players that have turned out to be busts as well.....so those other people could likewise go nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah to your choices.....the way you seem to doing to theirs.
What goes around comes around.
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I wanted us to trade up and take RG3, and Washington is a mess right now, so what do I know? I don't do a "lot of reasearch", I just get gut feelings about guys I watch, but I have been right a LOT more than the Browns front office has ... I'm sure we all have.
It's funny that Steeler fans think their smarter because their team is more successful ... we are the fan base that should be giving advise to other fan bases because we are always smarter than our front office!
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