Leave Well Enough Alone
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I disagree with Grossi. When you're dealt a 2 of hearts and 7 of clubs, you're pretty much screwed. I think Lombardi and Banner have been trying to get some look-see's at guys they see as having potential. Given this is their first year in the seat, I give them a pass to try shopping in the clearance section hoping to find a great deal... The problem is, they haven't really found the "gems" they've been looking for... Lombardi is the GM and Banner is the CEO. I'm giving these guys the benefit-of-the-doubt when it comes to their personnel decisions b/c I really want to see what these guys can build in Cleveland... So far, I like what they've done and I'm really excited to see what this offseason brings...
man i wish i had the optimism you have. not in my genes.
i understand these last four games we're starting to get a 'look-see' at guys like baker and cooper and some others and some have played well and some have stunk it up.
BUT they knew what they had coming out of training camp (you know the time after the draft and after FA signings) so to find out some guys who YOU selected can't hold their own or even play at this level is why lombardi is a tinkerer. because he is trying to make up for his intial fuckups.
if i was haslam and banner i'd have to pull the reigns in a little tighter this year come draft time and not let him go all CBS SPORTS crazy on this franchise next year.
you pick 'em. you play 'em. if they suck and don't pan out we all know whose shoulders that blunder would fall on. yep, haslam for hiring these guys. and i'm not saying fire anyone. i'm excited to see what happens come april next year and during FA signing period and training camp.
BUT there sure as hell can't be any craig powell or courtney brown blunders or they'll be a lot more at stake than the team sucking. they'll be people's jobs at stake.
man i wish i had the optimism you have. not in my genes.
i understand these last four games we're starting to get a 'look-see' at guys like baker and cooper and some others and some have played well and some have stunk it up.
BUT they knew what they had coming out of training camp (you know the time after the draft and after FA signings) so to find out some guys who YOU selected can't hold their own or even play at this level is why lombardi is a tinkerer. because he is trying to make up for his intial fuckups.
if i was haslam and banner i'd have to pull the reigns in a little tighter this year come draft time and not let him go all CBS SPORTS crazy on this franchise next year.
you pick 'em. you play 'em. if they suck and don't pan out we all know whose shoulders that blunder would fall on. yep, haslam for hiring these guys. and i'm not saying fire anyone. i'm excited to see what happens come april next year and during FA signing period and training camp.
BUT there sure as hell can't be any craig powell or courtney brown blunders or they'll be a lot more at stake than the team sucking. they'll be people's jobs at stake.
I think you fairly well make my point: the lower third of the roster contains very little holdover from last year. Coming out of training camp those "bottom 15" of the roster were pretty much newbies brought in by Lombardi....and he has kept shuffling that 15 card deck.
OK, maybe he has found an upgrade from a 3 of clubs to a 5 of spades......he ain't found no Jacks/Queens/Kings/Aces.
And the problem with all this shuffling is that these special teams guys mostly are not getting proper training. Sure, perhaps a new player has a sliver more talent than the guy he replaced....but the guy he replaced had at least learned how to play in the system....but the new guys doesn't. So you have a total lack of continuity....and that causes complete breakdown.
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I disagree with Grossi. When you're dealt a 2 of hearts and 7 of clubs, you're pretty much screwed. I think Lombardi and Banner have been trying to get some look-see's at guys they see as having potential. Given this is their first year in the seat, I give them a pass to try shopping in the clearance section hoping to find a great deal... The problem is, they haven't really found the "gems" they've been looking for... Lombardi is the GM and Banner is the CEO. I'm giving these guys the benefit-of-the-doubt when it comes to their personnel decisions b/c I really want to see what these guys can build in Cleveland... So far, I like what they've done and I'm really excited to see what this offseason brings...
man i wish i had the optimism you have. not in my genes.
i understand these last four games we're starting to get a 'look-see' at guys like baker and cooper and some others and some have played well and some have stunk it up.
BUT they knew what they had coming out of training camp (you know the time after the draft and after FA signings) so to find out some guys who YOU selected can't hold their own or even play at this level is why lombardi is a tinkerer. because he is trying to make up for his intial fuckups.
if i was haslam and banner i'd have to pull the reigns in a little tighter this year come draft time and not let him go all CBS SPORTS crazy on this franchise next year.
you pick 'em. you play 'em. if they suck and don't pan out we all know whose shoulders that blunder would fall on. yep, haslam for hiring these guys. and i'm not saying fire anyone. i'm excited to see what happens come april next year and during FA signing period and training camp.
BUT there sure as hell can't be any craig powell or courtney brown blunders or they'll be a lot more at stake than the team sucking. they'll be people's jobs at stake.
man i wish i had the optimism you have. not in my genes.
i understand these last four games we're starting to get a 'look-see' at guys like baker and cooper and some others and some have played well and some have stunk it up.
BUT they knew what they had coming out of training camp (you know the time after the draft and after FA signings) so to find out some guys who YOU selected can't hold their own or even play at this level is why lombardi is a tinkerer. because he is trying to make up for his intial fuckups.
if i was haslam and banner i'd have to pull the reigns in a little tighter this year come draft time and not let him go all CBS SPORTS crazy on this franchise next year.
you pick 'em. you play 'em. if they suck and don't pan out we all know whose shoulders that blunder would fall on. yep, haslam for hiring these guys. and i'm not saying fire anyone. i'm excited to see what happens come april next year and during FA signing period and training camp.
BUT there sure as hell can't be any craig powell or courtney brown blunders or they'll be a lot more at stake than the team sucking. they'll be people's jobs at stake.
^^ This 10000%
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Here is EVERY move to the active, 53-man roster (and the obvious reason) since the season started...
Tori Gurley to active roster (as replacement for Gordon)
Tori Gurley waived (when Gordon came back from suspension)
Willis McGahee signed (when we traded Richardson)
Fozzy Whittaker signed from SD (to be our #3 RB at the time, waived Josh Cooper)
Charles Johnson signed (when Hoyer went on IR)
Julian Posey and Tori Gurley activated (Bobby Rainey waived, Josh Aubrey went to IR)
Jordan Poyer signed from Philly (as an upgrade to Posey)
Brian Tyms signed from MIA (Tori Gurley waived)
Darius Eubanks activated (as an upgrade to Magee at LB)
Armanti Edwards signed (after Benjamin went to IR)
Reid Fragel signed from Cincy (after C.Johnson went to IR)
Jason Pinkston activated (Rashad Butler waived)
Magee re-activated (after Quentin Groves went to IR)
Josh Cooper activated (after Armanti Edwards went to IR)
Alex Tanney signed (b/c we only had 1 healthy QB) (Brian Tyms waived)
Andre Smith signed from DAL (Patrick Lewis waived)
Caleb Hanie signed (as insurance and after Magee went to IR)
Julian Posey activated (after Chris Ownes went to IR)
Brian Tyms activated (after Desmond Bryant placed on non-football illness list)
Edwin Baker signed (Caleb Hanie waived b/c we did not need him)
Brian Sanford signed (after Davone Bess was placed on reserve list)
I put in bold the moves we made b/c of injury, trade, or suspension... Most of the "tinkering" has been done on the practice squad, which happens to every team throughout the season b/c other teams can just sign your players away, and you want to keep those PS spots filled...
That leaves only 4 moves made during the entire season that seemed to be in hopes of upgrading a position, not purely b/c of need. That's not very many, especially not enough to "ruin" an entire special teams unit. Maybe the "blame" should be placed on Chud b/c he picks which 45 out of 53 suite up each week... or Tabor who picks his special teams units... or, the truth is we could just blame all the injuries... it's been another tough season for us with regards to injuries...
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Where is the Bobby Rainey transaction, Marquise Gray, Poyer, and others. Sorry, I don't think you have the whole story here.
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Where is the Bobby Rainey transaction, Marquise Gray, Poyer, and others. Sorry, I don't think you have the whole story here.
Where is the Bobby Rainey transaction, Marquise Gray, Poyer, and others. Sorry, I don't think you have the whole story here.
I have Poyer on there. Marquise Gray has been on the active roster all season. I did miss Bobby Rainey. Let me dbl check and edit...
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Where is the Bobby Rainey transaction, Marquise Gray, Poyer, and others. Sorry, I don't think you have the whole story here.
I have Poyer on there. Marquise Gray has been on the active roster all season. I did miss Bobby Rainey. Let me dbl check and edit...
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I have Poyer on there. Marquise Gray has been on the active roster all season. I did miss Bobby Rainey. Let me dbl check and edit...
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Missed Armonti Edwards being released again?
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How about this. Every move since Sept. 1:
December 26, 2013 Signed DL Brian Sanford. Signed WR Conner Vernon to the practice squad. Released RB Jamaine Cook from the practice squad.
At it again today. Cannot keep still. Motherfucker has ADD.
December 21, 2013 Placed WR Davone Bess on the reserve/non-football illness list.
December 18, 2013 Waived WR Armanti Edwards and CB Chris Owens.
December 10, 2013 Signed RB Edwin Baker from the practice squad of Houston. Waived QB Caleb Hanie. Re-signed LB Justin Staples to the practice squad. Released LB Jonathan Stewart from the practice squad.
December 4, 2013 Signed WR Brian Tyms from the practice squad. Placed DL Desmond Bryant on the reserve/non-football illness list. Released LB Justin Staples from the practice squad. Signed DB T.J. Heath, DL Cam Henderson and LB Johnathan Stewart to the practice squad.
December 3, 2013 Signed QB Caleb Hanie. Placed LB Brandon Magee and DB Chris Owenson injured reserve. Signed DB Julian Posey from the practice squad.
NOVEMBER DATE TRANSACTIONNovember 26, 2013 Agreed to terms with QB Alex Tanney. Claimed TE Andre Smith off waivers from Dallas. Waived OL Patrick Lewis and WR Brian Tyms.November 20, 2013 Signed WR Josh Cooper from the practice squad. Placed WR Armanti Edwards on the injured reserve list. Signed WR Reggie Dunn to the practice squad.November 12, 2013 Re-signed LB Justin Staples to the practice squad.November 11, 2013 Placed LB Quentin Groves on injured reserve. Signed LB Brandon Magee from the practice squad.OCTOBER DATE TRANSACTIONOctober 29, 2013 Signed OL Reid Fragel from the practice squad of Cincinnati. Signed WR Armanti Edwards. Placed WR Travis Benjamin on injured reserve. Re-signed WR Tori Gurley to the practice squad.October 26, 2013 Signed LB Darius Eubanks from the practice squad. Waived LB Brandon Magee.October 22, 2013 Signed WR Brian Tyms off Miami's practice squad. Waived WR Tori Gurley.October 21, 2013 Waived DB Julian Posey. Claimed DB Jordan Poyer off waivers from Philadelphia.October 18, 2013 Signed WR Tori Gurley and DB Julian Posey from the practice squad. Placed DB Josh Aubrey on injured reserve. Waived RB Bobby Rainey.October 12, 2013 Signed WR Charles Johnson from the Green Bay practice squad. Placed QB Brian Hoyer in injured reserve.SEPTEMBER DATE TRANSACTIONSeptember 30, 2013 Claimed RB Fozzy Whittaker off waivers from San Diego. Waived WR Josh Cooper and RB Montario Hardesty.September 24, 2013 Signed OL Jeremiah Warren to the practice squad. Released DB Kip Edwards from the practice squad.September 19, 2013 Signed RB Willis McGahee.September 18, 2013 Traded RB Trent Richardson to Indianapolis for a 2014 first-round draft pick.September 17, 2013 Waived WR Tori Gurley. Released WR Arceto Clark.September 7, 2013 Signed WR Tori Gurley from the practice squad. Waived RB Dennis Johnson.September 3, 2013 Agreed to terms with K Billy Cundiff. Placed OL Jason Pinkston on injured reserve/designated.September 2, 2013 Signed WR Jasper Collins, DB Kip Edwards, DB Darius Eubanks, DB Terrence Frederick, WR Tori Gurley, DB Julian Posey and DB Jamoris Slaughter to the practice squad.September 1, 2013 Claimed TE MarQueis Gray (San Francisco), RB Dennis Johnson (Houston), OL Patrick Lewis (Green Bay), LB Brandon Magee (Dallas), TE Keavon Milton (New Orleans) and Bobby Rainey (Baltimore) off waivers. -
Missed Armonti Edwards being released again?
He was released from IR, never made it back to the active roster
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How about this. Every move since Sept. 1:
December 26, 2013 Signed DL Brian Sanford. Signed WR Conner Vernon to the practice squad. Released RB Jamaine Cook from the practice squad.
At it again today. Cannot keep still. Motherfucker has ADD.
December 21, 2013 Placed WR Davone Bess on the reserve/non-football illness list.
December 18, 2013 Waived WR Armanti Edwards and CB Chris Owens.
December 10, 2013 Signed RB Edwin Baker from the practice squad of Houston. Waived QB Caleb Hanie. Re-signed LB Justin Staples to the practice squad. Released LB Jonathan Stewart from the practice squad.
December 4, 2013 Signed WR Brian Tyms from the practice squad. Placed DL Desmond Bryant on the reserve/non-football illness list. Released LB Justin Staples from the practice squad. Signed DB T.J. Heath, DL Cam Henderson and LB Johnathan Stewart to the practice squad.
December 3, 2013 Signed QB Caleb Hanie. Placed LB Brandon Magee and DB Chris Owenson injured reserve. Signed DB Julian Posey from the practice squad.
NOVEMBER DATE TRANSACTIONNovember 26, 2013 Agreed to terms with QB Alex Tanney. Claimed TE Andre Smith off waivers from Dallas. Waived OL Patrick Lewis and WR Brian Tyms.November 20, 2013 Signed WR Josh Cooper from the practice squad. Placed WR Armanti Edwards on the injured reserve list. Signed WR Reggie Dunn to the practice squad.November 12, 2013 Re-signed LB Justin Staples to the practice squad.November 11, 2013 Placed LB Quentin Groves on injured reserve. Signed LB Brandon Magee from the practice squad.OCTOBER DATE TRANSACTIONOctober 29, 2013 Signed OL Reid Fragel from the practice squad of Cincinnati. Signed WR Armanti Edwards. Placed WR Travis Benjamin on injured reserve. Re-signed WR Tori Gurley to the practice squad.October 26, 2013 Signed LB Darius Eubanks from the practice squad. Waived LB Brandon Magee.October 22, 2013 Signed WR Brian Tyms off Miami's practice squad. Waived WR Tori Gurley.October 21, 2013 Waived DB Julian Posey. Claimed DB Jordan Poyer off waivers from Philadelphia.October 18, 2013 Signed WR Tori Gurley and DB Julian Posey from the practice squad. Placed DB Josh Aubrey on injured reserve. Waived RB Bobby Rainey.October 12, 2013 Signed WR Charles Johnson from the Green Bay practice squad. Placed QB Brian Hoyer in injured reserve.SEPTEMBER DATE TRANSACTIONSeptember 30, 2013 Claimed RB Fozzy Whittaker off waivers from San Diego. Waived WR Josh Cooper and RB Montario Hardesty.September 24, 2013 Signed OL Jeremiah Warren to the practice squad. Released DB Kip Edwards from the practice squad.September 19, 2013 Signed RB Willis McGahee.September 18, 2013 Traded RB Trent Richardson to Indianapolis for a 2014 first-round draft pick.September 17, 2013 Waived WR Tori Gurley. Released WR Arceto Clark.September 7, 2013 Signed WR Tori Gurley from the practice squad. Waived RB Dennis Johnson.September 3, 2013 Agreed to terms with K Billy Cundiff. Placed OL Jason Pinkston on injured reserve/designated.September 2, 2013 Signed WR Jasper Collins, DB Kip Edwards, DB Darius Eubanks, DB Terrence Frederick, WR Tori Gurley, DB Julian Posey and DB Jamoris Slaughter to the practice squad.September 1, 2013 Claimed TE MarQueis Gray (San Francisco), RB Dennis Johnson (Houston), OL Patrick Lewis (Green Bay), LB Brandon Magee (Dallas), TE Keavon Milton (New Orleans) and Bobby Rainey (Baltimore) off waivers.How about this. Every move since Sept. 1:
December 26, 2013 Signed DL Brian Sanford. Signed WR Conner Vernon to the practice squad. Released RB Jamaine Cook from the practice squad.
At it again today. Cannot keep still. Motherfucker has ADD.
December 21, 2013 Placed WR Davone Bess on the reserve/non-football illness list.
December 18, 2013 Waived WR Armanti Edwards and CB Chris Owens.
December 10, 2013 Signed RB Edwin Baker from the practice squad of Houston. Waived QB Caleb Hanie. Re-signed LB Justin Staples to the practice squad. Released LB Jonathan Stewart from the practice squad.
December 4, 2013 Signed WR Brian Tyms from the practice squad. Placed DL Desmond Bryant on the reserve/non-football illness list. Released LB Justin Staples from the practice squad. Signed DB T.J. Heath, DL Cam Henderson and LB Johnathan Stewart to the practice squad.
December 3, 2013 Signed QB Caleb Hanie. Placed LB Brandon Magee and DB Chris Owenson injured reserve. Signed DB Julian Posey from the practice squad.
NOVEMBER DATE TRANSACTIONNovember 26, 2013 Agreed to terms with QB Alex Tanney. Claimed TE Andre Smith off waivers from Dallas. Waived OL Patrick Lewis and WR Brian Tyms.November 20, 2013 Signed WR Josh Cooper from the practice squad. Placed WR Armanti Edwards on the injured reserve list. Signed WR Reggie Dunn to the practice squad.November 12, 2013 Re-signed LB Justin Staples to the practice squad.November 11, 2013 Placed LB Quentin Groves on injured reserve. Signed LB Brandon Magee from the practice squad.OCTOBER DATE TRANSACTIONOctober 29, 2013 Signed OL Reid Fragel from the practice squad of Cincinnati. Signed WR Armanti Edwards. Placed WR Travis Benjamin on injured reserve. Re-signed WR Tori Gurley to the practice squad.October 26, 2013 Signed LB Darius Eubanks from the practice squad. Waived LB Brandon Magee.October 22, 2013 Signed WR Brian Tyms off Miami's practice squad. Waived WR Tori Gurley.October 21, 2013 Waived DB Julian Posey. Claimed DB Jordan Poyer off waivers from Philadelphia.October 18, 2013 Signed WR Tori Gurley and DB Julian Posey from the practice squad. Placed DB Josh Aubrey on injured reserve. Waived RB Bobby Rainey.October 12, 2013 Signed WR Charles Johnson from the Green Bay practice squad. Placed QB Brian Hoyer in injured reserve.SEPTEMBER DATE TRANSACTIONSeptember 30, 2013 Claimed RB Fozzy Whittaker off waivers from San Diego. Waived WR Josh Cooper and RB Montario Hardesty.September 24, 2013 Signed OL Jeremiah Warren to the practice squad. Released DB Kip Edwards from the practice squad.September 19, 2013 Signed RB Willis McGahee.September 18, 2013 Traded RB Trent Richardson to Indianapolis for a 2014 first-round draft pick.September 17, 2013 Waived WR Tori Gurley. Released WR Arceto Clark.September 7, 2013 Signed WR Tori Gurley from the practice squad. Waived RB Dennis Johnson.September 3, 2013 Agreed to terms with K Billy Cundiff. Placed OL Jason Pinkston on injured reserve/designated.September 2, 2013 Signed WR Jasper Collins, DB Kip Edwards, DB Darius Eubanks, DB Terrence Frederick, WR Tori Gurley, DB Julian Posey and DB Jamoris Slaughter to the practice squad.September 1, 2013 Claimed TE MarQueis Gray (San Francisco), RB Dennis Johnson (Houston), OL Patrick Lewis (Green Bay), LB Brandon Magee (Dallas), TE Keavon Milton (New Orleans) and Bobby Rainey (Baltimore) off waivers.Like I said before. You posted all the practice squad moves... those are inconsequental, and should not AT ALL affect the team that takes the field on Sundays! EVERY team moves PS players around... it's inevitable... The list I posted are ALL the moves made regarding the 53-man roster this year, which are the ONLY ones affecting Sundays. And as xxDaBuckeyexx said, they were mostly necessary due to injury...
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How about this. Every move since Sept. 1:
December 26, 2013 Signed DL Brian Sanford. Signed WR Conner Vernon to the practice squad. Released RB Jamaine Cook from the practice squad.
At it again today. Cannot keep still. Motherfucker has ADD.
December 21, 2013 Placed WR Davone Bess on the reserve/non-football illness list.
December 18, 2013 Waived WR Armanti Edwards and CB Chris Owens.
December 10, 2013 Signed RB Edwin Baker from the practice squad of Houston. Waived QB Caleb Hanie. Re-signed LB Justin Staples to the practice squad. Released LB Jonathan Stewart from the practice squad.
December 4, 2013 Signed WR Brian Tyms from the practice squad. Placed DL Desmond Bryant on the reserve/non-football illness list. Released LB Justin Staples from the practice squad. Signed DB T.J. Heath, DL Cam Henderson and LB Johnathan Stewart to the practice squad.
December 3, 2013 Signed QB Caleb Hanie. Placed LB Brandon Magee and DB Chris Owenson injured reserve. Signed DB Julian Posey from the practice squad.
NOVEMBER DATE TRANSACTIONNovember 26, 2013 Agreed to terms with QB Alex Tanney. Claimed TE Andre Smith off waivers from Dallas. Waived OL Patrick Lewis and WR Brian Tyms.November 20, 2013 Signed WR Josh Cooper from the practice squad. Placed WR Armanti Edwards on the injured reserve list. Signed WR Reggie Dunn to the practice squad.November 12, 2013 Re-signed LB Justin Staples to the practice squad.November 11, 2013 Placed LB Quentin Groves on injured reserve. Signed LB Brandon Magee from the practice squad.OCTOBER DATE TRANSACTIONOctober 29, 2013 Signed OL Reid Fragel from the practice squad of Cincinnati. Signed WR Armanti Edwards. Placed WR Travis Benjamin on injured reserve. Re-signed WR Tori Gurley to the practice squad.October 26, 2013 Signed LB Darius Eubanks from the practice squad. Waived LB Brandon Magee.October 22, 2013 Signed WR Brian Tyms off Miami's practice squad. Waived WR Tori Gurley.October 21, 2013 Waived DB Julian Posey. Claimed DB Jordan Poyer off waivers from Philadelphia.October 18, 2013 Signed WR Tori Gurley and DB Julian Posey from the practice squad. Placed DB Josh Aubrey on injured reserve. Waived RB Bobby Rainey.October 12, 2013 Signed WR Charles Johnson from the Green Bay practice squad. Placed QB Brian Hoyer in injured reserve.SEPTEMBER DATE TRANSACTIONSeptember 30, 2013 Claimed RB Fozzy Whittaker off waivers from San Diego. Waived WR Josh Cooper and RB Montario Hardesty.September 24, 2013 Signed OL Jeremiah Warren to the practice squad. Released DB Kip Edwards from the practice squad.September 19, 2013 Signed RB Willis McGahee.September 18, 2013 Traded RB Trent Richardson to Indianapolis for a 2014 first-round draft pick.September 17, 2013 Waived WR Tori Gurley. Released WR Arceto Clark.September 7, 2013 Signed WR Tori Gurley from the practice squad. Waived RB Dennis Johnson.September 3, 2013 Agreed to terms with K Billy Cundiff. Placed OL Jason Pinkston on injured reserve/designated.September 2, 2013 Signed WR Jasper Collins, DB Kip Edwards, DB Darius Eubanks, DB Terrence Frederick, WR Tori Gurley, DB Julian Posey and DB Jamoris Slaughter to the practice squad.September 1, 2013 Claimed TE MarQueis Gray (San Francisco), RB Dennis Johnson (Houston), OL Patrick Lewis (Green Bay), LB Brandon Magee (Dallas), TE Keavon Milton (New Orleans) and Bobby Rainey (Baltimore) off waivers.Like I said before. You posted all the practice squad moves... those are inconsequental, and should not AT ALL affect the team that takes the field on Sundays! EVERY team moves PS players around... it's inevitable... The list I posted are ALL the moves made regarding the 53-man roster this year, which are the ONLY ones affecting Sundays. And as xxDaBuckeyexx said, they were mostly necessary due to injury...
Like I said before. You posted all the practice squad moves... those are inconsequental, and should not AT ALL affect the team that takes the field on Sundays! EVERY team moves PS players around... it's inevitable... The list I posted are ALL the moves made regarding the 53-man roster this year, which are the ONLY ones affecting Sundays. And as xxDaBuckeyexx said, they were mostly necessary due to injury...
But there were 9000 moves taking a guy off the practice squad, putting him back on, releasing him, then signing him again.
That sure as hell affects the roster on Sundays.
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