Jonathan Paul Manziel
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They didn't move up, the 22nd was the pick that Atlanta would have had.
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McCarron... hmm. He reminds me a bit of Andy Dalton. But then again, Dalton (like Brees) seems to be getting stronger-armed each year. He was a bit noodly coming out. I honestly don't think either is an elite talent but those aren't falling off trees.
I think Bridgewater and Boyd are elite. Manziel is certainly fun as hell to watch. His punkdom doesn't seem to bother me much for some reason. I think Boyd has quite a bit more arm, certainly a quicker release, and better wheels.
Right now, today, I'd put the chances of the Browns drafting a QB in the top 10 at about 99.999875.
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so we got it in a trade.
symantics.
It was a trade from the year before, it's not like they had any idea that they would be drafting BW at that position, or indeed what position that pick would be.
McCarron... hmm. He reminds me a bit of Andy Dalton. But then again, Dalton (like Brees) seems to be getting stronger-armed each year. He was a bit noodly coming out. I honestly don't think either is an elite talent but those aren't falling off trees.
I think Bridgewater and Boyd are elite. Manziel is certainly fun as hell to watch. His punkdom doesn't seem to bother me much for some reason. I think Boyd has quite a bit more arm, certainly a quicker release, and better wheels.
Right now, today, I'd put the chances of the Browns drafting a QB in the top 10 at about 99.999875.
You'd find it hard to disagree with this if Weeden continues. There's no sure fire, Megatron-style WR coming out, as far as I know, which would be hard to pass up. The only player that's ready to dominate is Clowney, who really isn't a position of need - if we're lucky, he falls to us at whatever position we're drafting and some team gives up a shit ton of picks for him.
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Teddy Twatwater is the real deal. Great fundamentals, intelligent and as close to a choir boy as a young man can get
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Teddy Twatwater is the real deal. Great fundamentals, intelligent and as close to a choir boy as a young man can get
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Teddy Twatwater is the real deal. Great fundamentals, intelligent and as close to a choir boy as a young man can get
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McCarron... hmm. He reminds me a bit of Andy Dalton. But then again, Dalton (like Brees) seems to be getting stronger-armed each year. He was a bit noodly coming out. I honestly don't think either is an elite talent but those aren't falling off trees.
I think Bridgewater and Boyd are elite. Manziel is certainly fun as hell to watch. His punkdom doesn't seem to bother me much for some reason. I think Boyd has quite a bit more arm, certainly a quicker release, and better wheels.
Right now, today, I'd put the chances of the Browns drafting a QB in the top 10 at about 99.999875.
McCarron... hmm. He reminds me a bit of Andy Dalton. But then again, Dalton (like Brees) seems to be getting stronger-armed each year. He was a bit noodly coming out. I honestly don't think either is an elite talent but those aren't falling off trees.
I think Bridgewater and Boyd are elite. Manziel is certainly fun as hell to watch. His punkdom doesn't seem to bother me much for some reason. I think Boyd has quite a bit more arm, certainly a quicker release, and better wheels.
Right now, today, I'd put the chances of the Browns drafting a QB in the top 10 at about 99.999875.
Yeah, if we have the opportunity to pick up a good QB next year we're going to do.
I'm not saying start him right away either (in case Weeden/whoever improves).
Train/Coach them up while we get the rest of the O in shape, then put them in (don't want them Sacked to death).
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What are the Pros and Cons on the Browns drafting Johnny Manziel? Here are perhaps a few:
1. Pro: Publicity. No player, I believe, will provoke more discussion/debate/controversy than Johnny Football. Whichever team drafts him will have ESPN and the national media sniffing their hind quarters the whole year, the way they did with RGIII, fair to say?
1. Con: This sucker is short. He is listed at spots at 6ft. 1 in. Fairly short in todays world....(issue, can he overcome that ala Brees/Vick/Russell)
2. Pro: He is brash and a risk taker which could mean good positive plays for the Browns.
2. Con: He is brash and a risk taker which could mean bad negative plays for the Browns.
3. Pro: Leadership. He seems to be the kind of kid that can take a team by the horns and will it to win on occasion. He played well against some of his toughest competition (like Alabama etc.)
3. Con. Selfishness? The opposite side of the coin of leadership is selfishness. Will he try to do too much himself, and not rely on the talent around him. He will learn that the NFL is not a one man sport.
4. Pro: Mobility. He has Fran Tarkenton like scrambling ability that could allow him to make positive plays out of potential negative plays.
4. Con: Durability. But, with his penchant for scrambling, will he turn into a Michael Vick type that is always getting busted up. He is a smaller player going in amongst the Redwoods. Can he survive? Unknown.
Feel free to add your own Pros and Cons about him.
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4. Con: Durability. But, with his penchant for scrambling, will he turn into a Michael Vick type that is always getting busted up. He is a smaller player going in amongst the Redwoods. Can he survive? Unknown.
I think he will be a good pro, but the combination of small size and running around really is a big, big, injury concern.
Zombo
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I think he could be a decent pro, if he doesn't get hurt, and he goes somewhere where he sits and learns from a Pro QB. If he is thrust into playing early into his career I think he's in trouble. He will run first until he learns the pro game. And for QB's in the NFL that run first, they don't last long
The size and running like a mad man might get him killed. He needs time to develop more arm strength and how to read a defense.
I would not take him until the second round at the earliest, but some team will not wait that long, and I see him being over-drafted in the low teens by someone
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I don't think he has the stature and arm to do well in bad winter weather, and
punishing defenses in the Browns' division.
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I don't think he has the stature and arm to do well in bad winter weather, and
punishing defenses in the Browns' division.
Johnny has a top 3 arm in this draft. He has the highest completion percentage from the pocket in college football. Derek Carr weighs the same as Manziel and he's 3 inches taller, nobody is questioning his size. Manziel has done this against the best competition in college football. He worked on his throwing a lot and ran a lot less this year. He seems to have a knack for avoididng big hits and he gets down/out of bounds. My vote is for Johnny Football right now if you xant tell.I don't think he has the stature and arm to do well in bad winter weather, and
punishing defenses in the Browns' division.
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Johnny has a top 3 arm in this draft. He has the highest completion percentage from the pocket in college football. Derek Carr weighs the same as Manziel and he's 3 inches taller, nobody is questioning his size. Manziel has done this against the best competition in college football. He worked on his throwing a lot and ran a lot less this year. He seems to have a knack for avoididng big hits and he gets down/out of bounds. My vote is for Johnny Football right now if you xant tell.I don't think he has the stature and arm to do well in bad winter weather, and
punishing defenses in the Browns' division.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Johnny has a top 3 arm in this draft. He has the highest completion percentage from the pocket in college football. Derek Carr weighs the same as Manziel and he's 3 inches taller, nobody is questioning his size. Manziel has done this against the best competition in college football. He worked on his throwing a lot and ran a lot less this year. He seems to have a knack for avoididng big hits and he gets down/out of bounds. My vote is for Johnny Football right now if you xant tell.
No one would be questioning Manziel's size if he were 3 inches taller too!.
Those 3 inches are a big deal to football GMs.
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Pro: The kid's TOUGH! He gets cranked & he's right back out there. Teammates notice that.
Con: We don't know whether or not he can handle northern weather.
As Gipper already stated, some of his pros may also be cons, but Johnny IS a playmaker!
We'll see what happens, but there's just something about him................
Mike
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XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Johnny has a top 3 arm in this draft. He has the highest completion percentage from the pocket in college football. Derek Carr weighs the same as Manziel and he's 3 inches taller, nobody is questioning his size. Manziel has done this against the best competition in college football. He worked on his throwing a lot and ran a lot less this year. He seems to have a knack for avoididng big hits and he gets down/out of bounds. My vote is for Johnny Football right now if you xant tell.
No one would be questioning Manziel's size if he were 3 inches taller too!.
Those 3 inches are a big deal to football GMs.
every year they become less of a big deal. He has an NFL sized line now and he's doin alright.No one would be questioning Manziel's size if he were 3 inches taller too!.
Those 3 inches are a big deal to football GMs.
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I don't think he has the stature and arm to do well in bad winter weather, and
punishing defenses in the Browns' division.
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Don't like his off-field autograph shenanigans.
Like the fact that he's a winner.
Don't like his less-than-ideal height.
Like the fact that he's a playmaker.
Don't like the fact that he'll be a distraction.
Like the attention that he'll bring to the Browns.
Don't like the haunting visual of NFL linebackers breaking him into pieces.
All the other stuff is an unknown, as it is with all current quarterback prospects:
Can he read NFL defenses accurately?
Can he throw a tight spiral into small windows in the AFC North winds?
Will he make the correct decisions while under the pressure of an NFL blitz, or pass the ball underhanded to the opposition?
Can he lead the Browns to the playoffs?
I wouldn't want the Browns to select Manziel with their first of two picks in the first round - I'd prefer that they draft Sammy Watkins there. If Manziel still there when the Browns draft later in the round (23rd-ish) then, cool, grab him.
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Pro: he's got swagger.
Con: he's gonna get killed
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He's got the one thing you can't teach....Pocket awareness...he feels pressure and has the ability to move around and keep his eyes down field. In today's nfl were its all about getting pressure on the QB, in my opinion this is the most important trait of a NFL QB. Everything else can be taught, if you can't feel pressure and extend plays instinctively your gonna look like Brandon Weeden. And be injured most of your career
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