Remarks about gays prompt suspension of 'Duck Dynasty' star
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Just had a couple of hot dogs for lunch and saw the restaurant example that was posted.
I don't know why individuals successful in a business tend to venture into gray areas like this. Remember Jack Nicklaus in the early 90s when asked about blacks in golf?
Nicklaus responded by saying "blacks have different muscles that react in different ways."
Now, I love Jack Nicklaus, used to cut the grass in his neighborhood in Dublin, Ohio, but, unless I am mistaken, he doesn't have a degree in physiology. So why would he say that?
Another guy here in town where I work has a restaurant. He plays Fox News the whole time he is open with the sound turned down, which is fine, I don't have to look and ESPN is on another TV. I am sitting at the bar on lunch and this guy starts feeding me the latest talking points about things that neither one of us seem to have a good grasp on. Screw me, I just want a hot dog, not hot dogma. How about asking whether or not my food is any good first at least? Bottom line, I get my hot dogs at a place now that doesn't even have a TV. The owner, well, acts like an owner instead of a political operative.
Now, I know next to nothing about duck dynasty, this is the most I have ever heard of the show and I have never seen it. Yet again, here is a successful individual complaining explicitly about butt sex and a host of other "sins". Pretty freaking far from duck calls unless they are up someone's rectum...Now I learn he is also a pastor, a "missionary who just happens to be on TV". Again, somehow pastors all across the country guide their flocks without explicitly comparing anuses and vaginas in public, especially in GQ, so why must he again? Surely he knows some missionaries were boiled in water and eaten for spreading the gospel, so what's the problem with a little blow back now? God is on his side after all...and in duck dude's mind good chefs stir the pot apparently...what's the issue? Oh yeah, he may lose some money...
Objectively, someone could posit that he was trying to build up his audience, congregation and duck call sales by publicly sharing his beliefs. Why else appear in GQ? If that was the case then he has to accept the flak with the kudos. He does play himself on tv and not Jesus of Nazareth...so it is easy to connect his "outside" opinions with his on-screen "character".
Bottom line: the LGBTQ folk are out of the closet and organized and aggressive. They are not the easy targets they used to be. I had to take a required class with someone whose specialty was identifying the centuries-old put-downs that people used to use for gay and transgender folks in Europe. Talk about looking to be offended, digging in the past to be offended more like it. Anyone else know a 500-year-old Spanish word for "fag"? Add to that the publicity of the high suicide rates for LGBTQ teens over the last ten years (many due to bullying) and you begin to see some of the reasons for their aggression.
Flip it around and look at it this way: what if Christian teens were suiciding in concerning numbers over Christianity and the LGBTQ folks were on TV and in magazines saying that Christianity is an abomination and that Christians are damned in this life and the next? Would that be considered free speech as well or a provocation?
Also, they are not just seeking "tolerance" as some have suggested. Tolerance for them is a joke, they want acceptance and do not appear to be willing to stop short of their goal.
As for Duck Dude, I wonder if he would like another chance at answering the question? As we see on these forums every day:
FREE SPEECH = FREEDOM TO PROVOKE CONSEQUENCES
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Yes, he would. Would gays stop being gay because of the consequences?
The left generally is extremely intolerant of any different opinion. MMGW. Check. gay? Check.
Christian viewpoints? Check.
2nd Amendment? Check. Against the welfare state? Check. Against abortion? Check.
Support the military? Check.
And on and on it goes. Any leftwing agenda demands conformity. that's why they hate what they can't control.
Perversion and sin, is perversion and sin. Free to be gay - freedom to provoke consequences.
Wait, that isn't correct to the left. And, it's said to be wrong, because the left is anti-everything they don't like,
and they use priciples like using two sides of a piece of paper. They go with one when it's convenient, then
they go the opposite principle, when it's convenient. And it all ends up no principles at all. Just a bunch
of flip flopping garbage rationalization.
Here's an excellent article defending Phil (who HAS at least seen the show....)
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Sorry Cal, I tend to have good instincts even without watching garbage tv...
Looks like they hooked themselves a sucker. I thought it was all about the money, looks like I was right.
You can rail on about libs all you want, These guys are fake. I know you met them, you were fooled.
This link has the best pics and quotes bible verses to contradict Phil's entire being pretty much. I chose the site because it has the before and after pictures. There are other sites reporting this, check out Crooks and Liars too.
Add a beard and camo and you have instant redneck. LOVE the quote where Phil says he hates yuppies,..hilarious. Can we be done with these fools now?
Seriously bro, you need to lighten up and use some of your vaunted critical thinking skills. I'm willing to give you a break, but not when you act the fool.
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Except that Phil's looked that way for 30 years. Go check out his 1st hunting video: "Duckmen of Louisiana" (except you can't, it's from 1988)
As for the kids, I bet you can drum up some pics of yourself from your teenage years when you probably looked pretty douchey. I know I've got some in my parent's attic.
They adopted the "duck man" look when they started doing the videos with Phil and when they bought the company from him - well before reality TV.
Source: me, someone who's duck hunted with my dad since Bernie was our QB.
Here's a less vindictive, butt-hurt article on the Robertson's pre-fame & pre-"controversy"
http://www.sportsspectrum.com/articles/2013/03/23/duck-dynasty-how-it-almost-never-happened/
Sure, luck means a lot in football. Not having a good quarterback is bad luck. -Don Shula -
Sorry Cal, I tend to have good instincts even without watching garbage tv...
Looks like they hooked themselves a sucker. I thought it was all about the money, looks like I was right.
You can rail on about libs all you want, These guys are fake. I know you met them, you were fooled.
This link has the best pics and quotes bible verses to contradict Phil's entire being pretty much. I chose the site because it has the before and after pictures. There are other sites reporting this, check out Crooks and Liars too.
Add a beard and camo and you have instant redneck. LOVE the quote where Phil says he hates yuppies,..hilarious. Can we be done with these fools now?
Seriously bro, you need to lighten up and use some of your vaunted critical thinking skills. I'm willing to give you a break, but not when you act the fool.
Sorry Cal, I tend to have good instincts even without watching garbage tv...
Looks like they hooked themselves a sucker. I thought it was all about the money, looks like I was right.
You can rail on about libs all you want, These guys are fake. I know you met them, you were fooled.
This link has the best pics and quotes bible verses to contradict Phil's entire being pretty much. I chose the site because it has the before and after pictures. There are other sites reporting this, check out Crooks and Liars too.
Add a beard and camo and you have instant redneck. LOVE the quote where Phil says he hates yuppies,..hilarious. Can we be done with these fools now?
Seriously bro, you need to lighten up and use some of your vaunted critical thinking skills. I'm willing to give you a break, but not when you act the fool.
For someone so intelligent, you sure picked a stupid link to prove your point.
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Two fairly meaningless replies. First let me quote the lyrics to the theme song of Mystery Science Theater 3000. "Remind yourself it's just a show I should really just relax."
Haha! Anyway I can't help but suspect this whole thing is set up to sell products.
Point number 2 is even less meaningful... Just as Schopenhauer was writing his post I was simultaneously having two hotdogs for lunch.
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Schopen,
Really, that link? Seriously?
Come on, man. Read Phil's book. He's been who he is for the last 38 years, and before that,
he was who he was, which was not a very good guy.
Read his book. There isn't anything fake about him. That's the point, in a big way.
And "these guys are fake" ??? Read the other two books. See it from when they were kids.
That goes for Phil and Si, and the three sons. Your instincts are that much on this subject.
We met people in West Munroe, in passing, who admire the Robertsons because they really are, and
always have been, exactly the people you see on TV.
Cept you never watched the show, never read the books, never been there, never talked to folks
that know them.
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Yes, he would. Would gays stop being gay because of the consequences?
The left generally is extremely intolerant of any different opinion. MMGW. Check. gay? Check.
Christian viewpoints? Check.
2nd Amendment? Check. Against the welfare state? Check. Against abortion? Check.
Support the military? Check.
And on and on it goes. Any leftwing agenda demands conformity. that's why they hate what they can't control.
Perversion and sin, is perversion and sin. Free to be gay - freedom to provoke consequences.
Wait, that isn't correct to the left. And, it's said to be wrong, because the left is anti-everything they don't like,
and they use priciples like using two sides of a piece of paper. They go with one when it's convenient, then
they go the opposite principle, when it's convenient. And it all ends up no principles at all. Just a bunch
of flip flopping garbage rationalization.
Here's an excellent article defending Phil (who HAS at least seen the show....)
Yes, he would. Would gays stop being gay because of the consequences?
The left generally is extremely intolerant of any different opinion. MMGW. Check. gay? Check.
Christian viewpoints? Check.
2nd Amendment? Check. Against the welfare state? Check. Against abortion? Check.
Support the military? Check.
And on and on it goes. Any leftwing agenda demands conformity. that's why they hate what they can't control.
Perversion and sin, is perversion and sin. Free to be gay - freedom to provoke consequences.
Wait, that isn't correct to the left. And, it's said to be wrong, because the left is anti-everything they don't like,
and they use priciples like using two sides of a piece of paper. They go with one when it's convenient, then
they go the opposite principle, when it's convenient. And it all ends up no principles at all. Just a bunch
of flip flopping garbage rationalization.
Here's an excellent article defending Phil (who HAS at least seen the show....)
Good to know
Disagreeing with Cal = being extremely intolerant
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Well, Cracker Barrel put their Duck Dynasty/Phil Robertson stuff right back on the shelves,
and now A&E has reinstated Phil Robertson to the show immediately.
Perhap they thought all of America is gay and black.
Freakin idiots, wiser now, since Real America stood up to them, and lambasted them
with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of signatures on petitions, insisted they
immediately do what they just did.
Real America isn't perverse, nor hateful of religion, nor freedom of speech, and they'll stand
up for what's right.
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oh god.... that "Real America" bullshit. I haven't heard that in awhile.
Cracker Barrel is fantastic though. So I guess I can't argue. Not that I would, because it was all A&Es decision.
Please Cal. Define "Real America" for me. Tell me what is and isn't part of "Real America". Then look at your list and figure out why "Real America" lost the last two elections...
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oh god.... that "Real America" bullshit. I haven't heard that in awhile.
Cracker Barrel is fantastic though. So I guess I can't argue. Not that I would, because it was all A&Es decision.
Please Cal. Define "Real America" for me. Tell me what is and isn't part of "Real America". Then look at your list and figure out why "Real America" lost the last two elections...
oh god.... that "Real America" bullshit. I haven't heard that in awhile.
Cracker Barrel is fantastic though. So I guess I can't argue. Not that I would, because it was all A&Es decision.
Please Cal. Define "Real America" for me. Tell me what is and isn't part of "Real America". Then look at your list and figure out why "Real America" lost the last two elections...
The nature of elections is cyclical. That's just s stupid uninformed remark. Liberals lost the two before that. Conservatives lost two before that. Liberals lost three before that. Get with the program. Don't worry. Next election the liberals will be out on their asses crying about gay marriage and legal pot from the sidelines. I chuckle a little that you still think your awesome generation is going to change the world, because my awesome generation was going to change the world, remember? My parents awesome generation of hippies was supposed to change the world. You know what they changed? The same thing your generation will. Jack shit.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
You ask for a definition, woody, then you ascribe a definition to it that
is completely off base and invalid so you can bitch about said "definition"..
"smarting off" is all you have, woody. That's pretty sad.
Hint:
Real America isn't perverted, and is comprised of reps, dems, and inds...and religious and not religious.
Real America respects our Constitution, our military, and freedom. Real America knows there are opinions
differing everywhere, but mostly they respect others' disagreeing as fine.
Real America isn't woodpeckers. You aren't real America.
Get a clue for once.
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Woody let's say there were a bigger number of people who believed in a lot of usavory things that most of us would disagree with. Let's say they want to bring back slavery, do not I women blacks and Hispanics the right to vote, instill Sharia law make homosexuality illegal and punishable by death. Perhaps they think since we are all human beings on earth there should be no borders. Maybe they would like to see a Russian style communism as our form of government. Everybody's free to believe what they want no?
Would you be upset if someone called them un American? Or do you think that they are good, real, Americans even though their views are not the mainstream? I know you don't like questions (if you can't answer them without showing the holes in your logic) but just to clarify a few things you belly ache about...
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www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
And just to be the devil's advocate (read pain in the ass
) allow me to remind you of the greatest American of all George Washington. A British subject who decided to rebel against his country and King. One of the richest men in the land who wanted to keep the tax money for himself and his other wealthy cohorts. A mutineer, a traitor who, using terrorist tactics, killed thousands of his fellow British subjects in order to achieve that goal. Real American? What, then, set him apart from Osama bin Laden?
WSS
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Woody let's say there were a bigger number of people who believed in a lot of usavory things that most of us would disagree with. Let's say they want to bring back slavery, do not I women blacks and Hispanics the right to vote, instill Sharia law make homosexuality illegal and punishable by death. Perhaps they think since we are all human beings on earth there should be no borders. Maybe they would like to see a Russian style communism as our form of government. Everybody's free to believe what they want no?
Would you be upset if someone called them un American? Or do you think that they are good, real, Americans even though their views are not the mainstream? I know you don't like questions (if you can't answer them without showing the holes in your logic) but just to clarify a few things you belly ache about...
WSS
Woody let's say there were a bigger number of people who believed in a lot of usavory things that most of us would disagree with. Let's say they want to bring back slavery, do not I women blacks and Hispanics the right to vote, instill Sharia law make homosexuality illegal and punishable by death. Perhaps they think since we are all human beings on earth there should be no borders. Maybe they would like to see a Russian style communism as our form of government. Everybody's free to believe what they want no?
Would you be upset if someone called them un American? Or do you think that they are good, real, Americans even though their views are not the mainstream? I know you don't like questions (if you can't answer them without showing the holes in your logic) but just to clarify a few things you belly ache about...
WSS
I don't like to answer questions? 90% of the shit on this board isn't a question worth answering. "Now prove how those damn libs and Obamao aren't ruining America!" No need to waste that time.
Steve, your description there really had nothing to do with the whole "Real America" bullshit. Yes everyone is free to believe what they want, I have said that multiple times. This is not a distinction between American and unamerican. It is "Real America" I am looking at.
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You ask for a definition, woody, then you ascribe a definition to it that
is completely off base and invalid so you can bitch about said "definition"..
"smarting off" is all you have, woody. That's pretty sad.
Hint:
Real America isn't perverted, and is comprised of reps, dems, and inds...and religious and not religious.
Real America respects our Constitution, our military, and freedom. Real America knows there are opinions
differing everywhere, but mostly they respect others' disagreeing as fine.
Real America isn't woodpeckers. You aren't real America.
Get a clue for once.
You ask for a definition, woody, then you ascribe a definition to it that
is completely off base and invalid so you can bitch about said "definition"..
"smarting off" is all you have, woody. That's pretty sad.
Hint:
Real America isn't perverted, and is comprised of reps, dems, and inds...and religious and not religious.
Real America respects our Constitution, our military, and freedom. Real America knows there are opinions
differing everywhere, but mostly they respect others' disagreeing as fine.
Real America isn't woodpeckers. You aren't real America.
Get a clue for once.
Oh bullshit Cal. You "Real America" is some small town, mom and pop, christian, god fearing, 1950s whatever. I'm sure I messed up what you were going to say by insulting it before you actually said it. My bad. That caused you to try to change it no doubt.
I would love to know, if that is your definition of "Real America", how I don't fit? Do you think I am trying to "oppress" your opinion and squash it out? You seem to not understand the meaning of hypocrisy, so I am not surprised. I love how you can turn it and say I am the one who won't respect another idea when we constantly here from you how those damn libs just fucked everything up.
Idk why I tried to get an actual response from you. That was stupid.
Trying to distinguish at all between "Real America" and "not Real America" is dumb. We are all Americans. Differing ideas or whatever. Using the term "Real America" at any point is closed minded, condescending, ignorant, etc. It was born to make you "real patriots" feel better about yourselves. Like you are fighting some kind of culture war to save apple pies and baseball.
"Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin apologized yesterday for implying that some parts of the country are more American than others, even as similar comments by two Republican congressmen were causing a backlash that threatened their chances for reelection. In an interview on CNN, Palin said comments she made last week in North Carolina praising small towns as "the real America" and the "pro-America areas of this great nation" were not intended to suggest that other parts of the country are less patriotic or less American."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102449.html
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oh god.... that "Real America" bullshit. I haven't heard that in awhile.
Cracker Barrel is fantastic though. So I guess I can't argue. Not that I would, because it was all A&Es decision.
Please Cal. Define "Real America" for me. Tell me what is and isn't part of "Real America". Then look at your list and figure out why "Real America" lost the last two elections...
The nature of elections is cyclical. That's just s stupid uninformed remark. Liberals lost the two before that. Conservatives lost two before that. Liberals lost three before that. Get with the program. Don't worry. Next election the liberals will be out on their asses crying about gay marriage and legal pot from the sidelines. I chuckle a little that you still think your awesome generation is going to change the world, because my awesome generation was going to change the world, remember? My parents awesome generation of hippies was supposed to change the world. You know what they changed? The same thing your generation will. Jack shit.
The nature of elections is cyclical. That's just s stupid uninformed remark. Liberals lost the two before that. Conservatives lost two before that. Liberals lost three before that. Get with the program. Don't worry. Next election the liberals will be out on their asses crying about gay marriage and legal pot from the sidelines. I chuckle a little that you still think your awesome generation is going to change the world, because my awesome generation was going to change the world, remember? My parents awesome generation of hippies was supposed to change the world. You know what they changed? The same thing your generation will. Jack shit.
Jesus christ you cynical bastard. I don't think I said 1/6th of any of that in my post. Of course elections are cynical. I never said they weren't. You could say in this last cycle most of America didn't want to hear that "Real America" bullshit. We will see how next election goes, but it looks like the Republicans might have to loosen up their stance on some social issues. When did I say my awesome generation is going to change the world? Literally, show me where I typed that. No its cool, I'll wait....
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Woody let's say there were a bigger number of people who believed in a lot of usavory things that most of us would disagree with. Let's say they want to bring back slavery, do not I women blacks and Hispanics the right to vote, instill Sharia law make homosexuality illegal and punishable by death. Perhaps they think since we are all human beings on earth there should be no borders. Maybe they would like to see a Russian style communism as our form of government. Everybody's free to believe what they want no?
Would you be upset if someone called them un American? Or do you think that they are good, real, Americans even though their views are not the mainstream? I know you don't like questions (if you can't answer them without showing the holes in your logic) but just to clarify a few things you belly ache about...
WSS
I don't like to answer questions? 90% of the shit on this board isn't a question worth answering. "Now prove how those damn libs and Obamao aren't ruining America!" No need to waste that time.
Steve, your description there really had nothing to do with the whole "Real America" bullshit. Yes everyone is free to believe what they want, I have said that multiple times. This is not a distinction between American and unamerican. It is "Real America" I am looking at.
Then I would have to suppose that there is no real America except for an ideal. And I probably don't differ very much from Cals opinion, but that's a guess. I don't think it was ever exactly as we now imagine it was in the 50's but I don't have a problem with that ideal. (with a few exceptions)I don't like to answer questions? 90% of the shit on this board isn't a question worth answering. "Now prove how those damn libs and Obamao aren't ruining America!" No need to waste that time.
Steve, your description there really had nothing to do with the whole "Real America" bullshit. Yes everyone is free to believe what they want, I have said that multiple times. This is not a distinction between American and unamerican. It is "Real America" I am looking at.
WSS
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Except that Phil's looked that way for 30 years. Go check out his 1st hunting video: "Duckmen of Louisiana" (except you can't, it's from 1988)
As for the kids, I bet you can drum up some pics of yourself from your teenage years when you probably looked pretty douchey. I know I've got some in my parent's attic.
They adopted the "duck man" look when they started doing the videos with Phil and when they bought the company from him - well before reality TV.
Source: me, someone who's duck hunted with my dad since Bernie was our QB.
Here's a less vindictive, butt-hurt article on the Robertson's pre-fame & pre-"controversy"
http://www.sportsspectrum.com/articles/2013/03/23/duck-dynasty-how-it-almost-never-happened/
Except that Phil's looked that way for 30 years. Go check out his 1st hunting video: "Duckmen of Louisiana" (except you can't, it's from 1988)
Well, I did characterize him as a successful businessman in my first post, so I am not totally ignorant of his success with calls and videos. I didn't express myself well saying they destroyed his existence, meant they "tried" to destroy it...touche. Fact is, you go quoting the Bible and people will quote back. Every actually read the thing? Technically, we are not allowed to go to the bathroom...
As for the kids, I bet you can drum up some pics of yourself from your teenage years when you probably looked pretty douchey. I know I've got some in my parent's attic.
Actually, no, I can't. I really am rather photogenic. No shit. Also, these boys have families and such in the pics...they are not teenagers...weird thing to say on your part, like someone is picking on kids or something. These are grown men who should own their choices.
They adopted the "duck man" look when they started doing the videos with Phil and when they bought the company from him - well before reality TV.
You say they adopted the persona, I say they dress like daddy for $. Fair enough.
Source: me, someone who's duck hunted with my dad since Bernie was our QB.
Do his calls work that well? They must, for all his success. I am familiar with turkey calling but never went after ducks, not enough around I suppose...
Here's a less vindictive, butt-hurt article on the Robertson's pre-fame & pre-"controversy"
http://www.sportsspectrum.com/articles/2013/03/23/duck-dynasty-how-it-almost-never-happened/
Well, I did add a disclaimer about the pics... and wanted to rile you a little...
Plus, you drop the hammer on somebody, you better be ready to get nailed yourself...Cal, you mentioned that Phil would not like another chance to answer the question, yet he did take an opportunity to clarify.
Actually appreciated his clarification. His comments about dangerous "microbes" out there are spot on and more discussion needs to happen on those topics, especially in religious circles.
Amazing what you can do when someone holds your feet to the fire...
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Well, Cracker Barrel put their Duck Dynasty/Phil Robertson stuff right back on the shelves,
and now A&E has reinstated Phil Robertson to the show immediately.
Perhap they thought all of America is gay and black.
Freakin idiots, wiser now, since Real America stood up to them, and lambasted them
with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of signatures on petitions, insisted they
immediately do what they just did.
Real America isn't perverse, nor hateful of religion, nor freedom of speech, and they'll stand
up for what's right.
Well, Cracker Barrel put their Duck Dynasty/Phil Robertson stuff right back on the shelves,
and now A&E has reinstated Phil Robertson to the show immediately.
Perhap they thought all of America is gay and black.
Freakin idiots, wiser now, since Real America stood up to them, and lambasted them
with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of signatures on petitions, insisted they
immediately do what they just did.
Real America isn't perverse, nor hateful of religion, nor freedom of speech, and they'll stand
up for what's right.
Sorry Cal, anyone who knows anything knows Cracker Barrel is prejudiced against blacks at least. No wonder they love Phil.
Also, LOVE how the Duck Dynasty producer starred in a movie about Gay Porn. This is all about the money and publicity. A&E & DD got their publicity, now back to filming...
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