Coach Chud Fired
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Then Chudzinski flat out lied about it. I heard him say out of his own mouth that Richardson was traded because he didn't fit his (CHUDZINSKI'S [he said "my"]) system.
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Again, I'm not sure what you're arguing. Do you just want to say that Richardson is terrible? Fine. Richardson is terrible. Now... can we get back to the actual claim? The original claim that I was arguing against was that Chud was the victim of having McGahee and Whitaker at RB. My opposing claim was that Chud can't be considered a true victim of a decision he played a part in making.
Now, I can't argue against the claim that Chud was the victim of not having a decent QB, because I don't know that he had anything to do with that. I did hear him say that the RB decisions were made based on what fit his system, though, so I think he shares a little responsibility there.
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I agree with you. I also don't think it matters who was running the ball. We were either tied or had the lead in 10 games this year and won only 4 and lost 7 in a row. That doesn't even count the number of times we gave up the lead in the last 2 minutes of a half.
The team clearly had enough talent to be in that situation at half time of that many games, losing that many when we were in that situation has to fall on the head coach.
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Im sorry I think a lot of you who are happy about this firing really dont know what your talking about. I pray the Redskins hire Chud as the head coach of the Skins immediately. I think hes the next great coach out there. If Brian Hoyer doesnt get injured the Browns would have won the division. I cant believe they only gave Chud 1 year. Its just a shame.
For goodness sake he made Jason Campbell look good at times.
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How was Chud responsible for that O line?
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Im sorry I think a lot of you who are happy about this firing really dont know what your talking about. I pray the Redskins hire Chud as the head coach of the Skins immediately. I think hes the next great coach out there. If Brian Hoyer doesnt get injured the Browns would have won the division. I cant believe they only gave Chud 1 year. Its just a shame.
For goodness sake he made Jason Campbell look good at times.
Im sorry I think a lot of you who are happy about this firing really dont know what your talking about. I pray the Redskins hire Chud as the head coach of the Skins immediately. I think hes the next great coach out there. If Brian Hoyer doesnt get injured the Browns would have won the division. I cant believe they only gave Chud 1 year. Its just a shame.
For goodness sake he made Jason Campbell look good at times.
Winning the division with Hoyer is too big of a reach. I strongly doubt it would have even came close.
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Im sorry I think a lot of you who are happy about this firing really dont know what your talking about. I pray the Redskins hire Chud as the head coach of the Skins immediately. I think hes the next great coach out there. If Brian Hoyer doesnt get injured the Browns would have won the division. I cant believe they only gave Chud 1 year. Its just a shame.
For goodness sake he made Jason Campbell look good at times.
Winning the division with Hoyer is too big of a reach. I strongly doubt it would have even came close.
Winning the division with Hoyer is too big of a reach. I strongly doubt it would have even came close.
I think the defense would have kept playing if Hoyer had stayed in there. I honestly think the defense started to coast a little after that. They kind of played for a couple more weeks but then you could see they were just getting tired of being on the field the whole time. I think Hoyer keeps the defense fresh enough for the whole season that we win the division. I say that with relative certainty only because of the downturn in the North this year. In any other year I'd say Hoyer would have at least given us a sniff. This was the year to step on the North's throat....we fucked it up.
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I think it is important to keep in mind that Chud's first choice at QB when the season started was Weeden, not Hoyer. People keep defending Chud by claiming that he was done in by the Hoyer injury, and things may very well have gone better had Hoyer not been injured, but it's not like Chud came into the season with this great idea to start Hoyer and his whole plan was wrecked when Hoyer got hurt. He actually made the poor decision to start Weeden first, then ended up going with Hoyer when his first choice Weeden needed to be replaced.
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Winning the division with Hoyer is too big of a reach. I strongly doubt it would have even came close.
I think the defense would have kept playing if Hoyer had stayed in there. I honestly think the defense started to coast a little after that. They kind of played for a couple more weeks but then you could see they were just getting tired of being on the field the whole time. I think Hoyer keeps the defense fresh enough for the whole season that we win the division. I say that with relative certainty only because of the downturn in the North this year. In any other year I'd say Hoyer would have at least given us a sniff. This was the year to step on the North's throat....we fucked it up.
I think the defense would have kept playing if Hoyer had stayed in there. I honestly think the defense started to coast a little after that. They kind of played for a couple more weeks but then you could see they were just getting tired of being on the field the whole time. I think Hoyer keeps the defense fresh enough for the whole season that we win the division. I say that with relative certainty only because of the downturn in the North this year. In any other year I'd say Hoyer would have at least given us a sniff. This was the year to step on the North's throat....we fucked it up.
I agree with your last part. We aren't going to get too many opportunities such as this one to catch the Steelers and Ravens in an off year.
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I think the defense would have kept playing if Hoyer had stayed in there. I honestly think the defense started to coast a little after that. They kind of played for a couple more weeks but then you could see they were just getting tired of being on the field the whole time. I think Hoyer keeps the defense fresh enough for the whole season that we win the division. I say that with relative certainty only because of the downturn in the North this year. In any other year I'd say Hoyer would have at least given us a sniff. This was the year to step on the North's throat....we fucked it up.
I agree with your last part. We aren't going to get too many opportunities such as this one to catch the Steelers and Ravens in an off year.
I agree with your last part. We aren't going to get too many opportunities such as this one to catch the Steelers and Ravens in an off year.
We shouldn't have to rely on the AFC North having a down year to compete in it.
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I think it is important to keep in mind that Chud's first choice at QB when the season started was Weeden, not Hoyer. People keep defending Chud by claiming that he was done in by the Hoyer injury, and things may very well have gone better had Hoyer not been injured, but it's not like Chud came into the season with this great idea to start Hoyer and his whole plan was wrecked when Hoyer got hurt. He actually made the poor decision to start Weeden first, then ended up going with Hoyer when his first choice Weeden needed to be replaced.
I think it is important to keep in mind that Chud's first choice at QB when the season started was Weeden, not Hoyer. People keep defending Chud by claiming that he was done in by the Hoyer injury, and things may very well have gone better had Hoyer not been injured, but it's not like Chud came into the season with this great idea to start Hoyer and his whole plan was wrecked when Hoyer got hurt. He actually made the poor decision to start Weeden first, then ended up going with Hoyer when his first choice Weeden needed to be replaced.
I only fault Chud for putting Weeden back in there after the Hoyer injury and not Campbell. Starting the season with Weeden was a no brainer, nobody knew that the offense would respond like it did with Hoyer back there. It was just one of those things, right time right place. Hoyer had been a career backup and was viewed as such...his only playing time was going to come as a result of an injury. But they knew he had "something" didn't they? Otherwise they would have started Campbell over him. Why they put Weeden back in there I have zero clue, that was my one fault on them the whole season. To can the guy before he had an opportunity to draft and groom his own qb? bullshit
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I agree with your last part. We aren't going to get too many opportunities such as this one to catch the Steelers and Ravens in an off year.
We shouldn't have to rely on the AFC North having a down year to compete in it.
We shouldn't have to rely on the AFC North having a down year to compete in it.
Technically you are correct. But this is Cleveland..it would have been nice to step on their throats. We could have banised them to the basement for years to come. We can and should still be competitive though.
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I agree with your last part. We aren't going to get too many opportunities such as this one to catch the Steelers and Ravens in an off year.
We shouldn't have to rely on the AFC North having a down year to compete in it.
We shouldn't have to rely on the AFC North having a down year to compete in it.
I agree. However, we know how tough this division is, and we know how consistent Pittsburgh and Baltimore have been. Now Cincinnati is finally getting their act together! Quite honestly, I'm sick of having to resort to rooting for anyone playing against one of our AFC North rivals, because my team isn't in it, and because I hate the other shit head teams that much! It would be nice to be able have some confidence in my team and not worry about what the other teams in our division are doing, because we'll kick their ass anyway! It has last been since the mid to late 80s since I've felt like that! Now, it's more like "God I just hope we make it a game, and don't get killed!"
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Chud may have started with Weeden but it was also his idea to put Hoyer in as early as he did and his idea to start him over campbell. I mean, honestly, no one thought Hoyer was going to be a starter but maybe Chud believed in him. And honestly, Hoyer looked elite. I dont care what anyone says I watched those games and Hoyer should be your qb going forward. Id trade you RG3 for Hoyer right now.
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I think it is important to keep in mind that Chud's first choice at QB when the season started was Weeden, not Hoyer. People keep defending Chud by claiming that he was done in by the Hoyer injury, and things may very well have gone better had Hoyer not been injured, but it's not like Chud came into the season with this great idea to start Hoyer and his whole plan was wrecked when Hoyer got hurt. He actually made the poor decision to start Weeden first, then ended up going with Hoyer when his first choice Weeden needed to be replaced.
I think it is important to keep in mind that Chud's first choice at QB when the season started was Weeden, not Hoyer. People keep defending Chud by claiming that he was done in by the Hoyer injury, and things may very well have gone better had Hoyer not been injured, but it's not like Chud came into the season with this great idea to start Hoyer and his whole plan was wrecked when Hoyer got hurt. He actually made the poor decision to start Weeden first, then ended up going with Hoyer when his first choice Weeden needed to be replaced.
I think if we were privy to the inside information the FO had a strong hand in starting Weeden to see what they did or didn't have. No matter how they spin it they pretty much geared the majority of the personnel plan to 2014. IF they are right in that Chud is completely incapable to take the team forward after the 2014 infusion of talent Banner should have been fired as well. I would assume in Banners role that during the first year one of, if not the largest single responsibility is hiring the right coach. If he stands by what he is saying he should resign.
By the end of the year we were expecting a freshman coach to "show progress" with a team that featured practice team running backs, discarded veteran QB and several wide receivers who cant catch if their life depended on it. We needed to stay the course and stick with a system here for a few years for once.
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ClevFan,
That's what it all comes down to: Does a new coach get to waste a year or years trying to get the components together to improve a team, or is he expected to begin improving the team right away. Now, you and I agreed on Mangini in the other thread. I think he should have gotten more time. However, I thought at the time (I don't remember the details now) that Mangini was headed in a positive direction, and SOMETHING made me think that. Nothing made me feel like Chud was moving things in a positive direction this year. To me, the best that he offered was a claim that he might be able to improve things after a year or more, but that he had no improvements to offer this year.
I'm not in love with the idea of firing a coach after just one year. However, I do think that a new coach is immediately responsible for showing SOME signs of at least the POTENTIAL for improvement. There has got to be some middle ground between "immediately turned the team around" and "took the year off to wait for the draft". I felt like, at best, even if he was going to eventually build a great team, Chud took the year off and waited for the draft.
Maybe there's no explaining what the front office did this year. If there is an explanation though, I think it was that they were prepared for the team to not be good and for it to take some time for the team to become competitive, but that they wanted to at least see SOME sign of potential improvement, and all they got was, "Well, maybe when and if I get a great QB we'll start to get better."
Oh, and Skinsfan,... Hoyer started Week 3 (yes, ahead of Campbell) after Weeden got hurt in Week 2. I don't think we can definitively say when Chud would have replaced Weeden if he hadn't hurt his thumb in Week 2. What we can say is that all three played in the pre-season, and Weeden got the Week 1 and 2 starts.
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Then Chudzinski flat out lied about it. I heard him say out of his own mouth that Richardson was traded because he didn't fit his (CHUDZINSKI'S [he said "my"]) system.
Then Chudzinski flat out lied about it. I heard him say out of his own mouth that Richardson was traded because he didn't fit his (CHUDZINSKI'S [he said "my"]) system.
I can't recall Chud ever saying that. Nor can I find any textual evidence of it either. As a matter of fact, the only evidence I can find seems to point in the direct opposite of what you claim.
From the press conference following Richardson's trade:
On whether Trent Richardson fit into the Rob Chudzinski/Norv Turner offense, and whether the trade reflected that notion: (Rob Chudzinski) No, not at all. It really had nothing to do with Trent from that standpoint.
On clarifying the earlier question about whether the trade means that Richardson doesnt fit the offense: (Rob Chudzinski) Well, the question was whether he fit the offense. It really has nothing to do with Trent from that standpoint. The opportunity as an organization was there for us to have a chance to get better, ultimately, and I felt like it was the right decision overall.
On whether the trade potentially comes too early in the season: (Joe Banner)As Coach just said, this was more about the moment that presented itself based on the situation the Colts found themselves in. It wasnt something where we could say, Can you wait three weeks and let us think about this or learn more? We had to decide whether we thought it was a move that would make us better, and we had to make that decision now. We decided to move forward.
On whether the Browns expect Richardson to play better with the Colts given the quality of players around him: (Joe Banner) I just think Trents a really good player, so I think he would have done really well here, and I think hes going to do really well there. Thats at least my opinion.
I'm sorry, but you're just wrong.
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The reasons for Chud's termination can be found here, as can a couple of historical facts that should give us some hope for Cleveland's future.
http://factoryofsadness.sportsblog.com/posts/239409/chudzinski_fired_a_closer_look.html
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It's like a divorce, while it's horribly tough, it's better for everyone to do it quickly so everyone can move on and improve their lives. Yes the FO hired him and fired him quickly, but at least they didn't drag out their mistake for several seasons.
It's like a divorce, while it's horribly tough, it's better for everyone to do it quickly so everyone can move on and improve their lives. Yes the FO hired him and fired him quickly, but at least they didn't drag out their mistake for several seasons.
I've been divorced... this is worse...
I would take 3 Steelers fans to take your place on this board than have to read the dumb shit you make us read.
Thank you, ED...
Im sorry I think a lot of you who are happy about this firing really dont know what your talking about. I pray the Redskins hire Chud as the head coach of the Skins immediately. I think hes the next great coach out there. If Brian Hoyer doesnt get injured the Browns would have won the division. I cant believe they only gave Chud 1 year. Its just a shame.
For goodness sake he made Jason Campbell look good at times.
Good to see you again... Thanks for the objective view, just please do not send Shanahan our way.
I think it is important to keep in mind that Chud's first choice at QB when the season started was Weeden, not Hoyer.
Based on practice and pre-season, it was a more than understandable decision.
How about a little credit for leap-frogging Hoyer over Campbell when Wheezy went down? Or was that a bad decision as well?
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