Coach Chud Fired
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TCPO, I'm with you on that. There are people on these boards that try to act like Chud lost his job because Hoyer got hurt. Maybe it worked out that way, but Chud didn't have some preseason plan to use Hoyer to win games.
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Another view of the situation from Bill Barnwell and grantland.com
The Browns fired head coach Rob Chudzinski on Sunday night after just one year at the helm. It was one of the more surprising NFL terminations in recent memory. While rumors naturally circle around bad teams and their coaches during the second half of the season, there hadn't been as much as a peep about Chudzinski's status until Sunday morning, when beat reporter Tony Grossi tweeted that there were bad vibes surrounding Chudzinski's future. Grossi later noted that embattled Browns owner Jimmy Haslam left the stadium during Sunday's loss to Pittsburgh with six minutes to go in the game.
In a short statement, the Browns attributed the firing to the team's "concerning step backward in the second half of the year." It's hard to argue with that statement, given that the Browns lost 10 of their last 11 games and went 0-7 after their bye.
That being said, it's also difficult to imagine that the vast majority of coaches would have been able to do much more. The Browns were starting a combination of Jason Campbell and Brandon Weeden at quarterback during that stretch, neither of whom is particularly good at football. Last year's first-round pick, Trent Richardson, was traded away early in the season for a future first-rounder. The team was starting 2012 seventh-rounder Edwin Baker — playing for his third team this season alone — at halfback by the end of the year. Wide receiver Josh Gordon had taken a huge leap forward and become arguably the league's top receiver. Would the team have fired Chudzinski if the Browns had held on late against the Patriots, who needed an onside kick to beat Cleveland in Foxborough? If they had cobbled together a win against the Jaguars or Jets late in the campaign? This wasn't really a team built to win this year, and it didn't. If Chudzinski failed to live up to the team's expectations to such an extent that it felt it necessary to fire him, it seems more likely that the organization's expectations were too high.
It's also revealing that the Browns were so aggressive as to fire Chudzinski on Sunday night, before the traditional "Black Monday" firing spree that comes after Week 17. It seems to suggest one of two things. Given that there had been no chatter regarding the firing before yesterday, it's possible that the Browns were only going to fire Chudzinski if they were able to hire a specific replacement. Cleveland could have surreptitiously reached out to its candidate, agreed to an outline of terms, and then felt confident enough about the pending hire to sack Chudzinski.7
Alternately, the Browns could have laid the hammer down this early to ensure they get to interview candidates before anybody else gets hired. The Texans have already been linked to Penn State head coach Bill O'Brien, but CBS's Jason La Canfora reports that O'Brien did not interview well when he met the Browns about the job a year ago. A more likely candidate is Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, whom Browns general manager Mike Lombardi identified as his first choice for a would-be head coaching vacancy in 2011, while Lombardi was working for NFL Network. Because the Patriots have a first-round bye, league rules allow the Browns to interview McDaniels for their head coaching vacancy during the postseason bye week. Had the Patriots failed to claim one of the top two seeds in the AFC, the Browns would not have been able to interview McDaniels for another week. The Browns would have to travel to the East Coast to interview McDaniels, so now is about the time when Browns fans will start loading up flight tracking websites to find a private jet traveling from Cleveland to Providence.
Cleveland's current coaches are left in a weird position. Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reported on Sunday night that the Browns intend to keep their assistants on staff and hire a head coach who would inherit said staff, which is a move that doesn't benefit either party. Head coaches want to hire their own staffs, and if the head coach who brought an assistant to town gets fired, the coaches underneath him probably want to be on the market as quickly as possible to find a new job. If this hiring process lingers for a couple of weeks and the new coach decides to bring in an entirely new staff, it's going to be a frustrating situation for those assistants.
Chudzinski, meanwhile, gets stuck with a couple of bad raps. He left Carolina one year too early, as the defense took a leap forward and the team started to win close games while the offense he built around Cam Newton basically stayed stagnant. His year as a head coach was spent with a bunch of cast-offs at quarterback. Gordon and tight end Jordan Cameron went through enormous development spikes anyway. Chudzinski probably also won't get another NFL head coaching job anytime soon; teams will be hesitant to hire a guy who got fired by the lowly Browns after one season. He's likely stuck either returning to the offensive coordinator ranks or becoming a college head coach. You have to feel for Chudzinski, a guy who said the Browns opportunity was his "dream job" when the team hired him. He deserved more time in Cleveland. And the Browns, meanwhile, will continue the league's slowest crawl toward relevance.
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I think that the FO gave Chud the shaft (I don't think he should have been kept, but I don't think he should have been hired in the first place). But I have to point out that there it is again. In the second sentence of the third paragraph, they make it sound like Chud was the victim of being left with Campbell and Weeden at QB during the losing streak at the end, as if the beginning of the season had been radically different. Yes, they started Hoyer after Weeden hurt his thumb, but the Browns DID start the season with Weeden at QB. It's not like they entered Week 1 with high hopes for starting someone else all season and a series of tragedies left them with Weeden. Weeden was who they CHOSE as the starting QB going into the season.
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I think that the FO gave Chud the shaft (I don't think he should have been kept, but I don't think he should have been hired in the first place). But I have to point out that there it is again. In the second sentence of the third paragraph, they make it sound like Chud was the victim of being left with Campbell and Weeden at QB during the losing streak at the end, as if the beginning of the season had been radically different. Yes, they started Hoyer after Weeden hurt his thumb, but the Browns DID start the season with Weeden at QB. It's not like they entered Week 1 with high hopes for starting someone else all season and a series of tragedies left them with Weeden. Weeden was who they CHOSE as the starting QB going into the season.
I think that the FO gave Chud the shaft (I don't think he should have been kept, but I don't think he should have been hired in the first place). But I have to point out that there it is again. In the second sentence of the third paragraph, they make it sound like Chud was the victim of being left with Campbell and Weeden at QB during the losing streak at the end, as if the beginning of the season had been radically different. Yes, they started Hoyer after Weeden hurt his thumb, but the Browns DID start the season with Weeden at QB. It's not like they entered Week 1 with high hopes for starting someone else all season and a series of tragedies left them with Weeden. Weeden was who they CHOSE as the starting QB going into the season.
Go look up Weeden's pre season stats and tell me you wouldn't have started him- they were more than respectable.
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How about some accountability from the Front office and Haslem? As a fanbase, we deserve it.
You pick a head coach and fire him 12 months later for sucking, that's YOUR bad. Not his.
In their presser they quoted "the fans deserve to win now". Kind of ironical, isn't it?
In my opinion, this upcoming HC hire and draft will determine the path of our team for the next decade. We will continue to be the worst franchise in the NFL or we will be brought back to our rightful glory with annual playoff/AFC Championship contending teams. I see no in between.
How about some accountability from the Front office and Haslem? As a fanbase, we deserve it.
You pick a head coach and fire him 12 months later for sucking, that's YOUR bad. Not his.
In their presser they quoted "the fans deserve to win now". Kind of ironical, isn't it?
In my opinion, this upcoming HC hire and draft will determine the path of our team for the next decade. We will continue to be the worst franchise in the NFL or we will be brought back to our rightful glory with annual playoff/AFC Championship contending teams. I see no in between.
Our track record says 2014 is already in the toilet.
Jimmy was asked from a reporter. "Jimmy can you assure the fans that you don't have the 3 stooges running this organization"..........LMAO
Just make sure you fire the next head coach after a year when he goes 4-12,and send Banner and Lombardi packing along with him.
Typical Cleveland stumble and fumble. The franchise that is a laughing stock of America. Ward and Mack are counting the days when they can play for a WINNER!!!and Haden can't be far behind. The Browns get bottom tiered free agents that they have to pay All Pro money to, now they will need to top Cudzinski's 4/ $13 millon contract to attract a 2nd tier coach. Only players and coaches that are desperate or get handed a BOAT load of money would ever think of coming to Cleveland
Exactly- what coach will want to come in and take a shot at a totally disfunctional organization? The Lions and Redskins jobs are far superior to Cleveland. Ditto that on FA-s I bet that firing is going to drive Mack and Ward out of town.
^^This. Maybe we can go to a Pgh board and ask some of them to come here so they can impart their wisdom on us as to how a franchise stays relevant year after year after year through Stability at the coaching staff. I'd take 10 steelers fans here right now over some of these dumbasses that can't see 2014 is already over.
As unstable as it gets.
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It's a real shame what happened to Chudzinski. I'm not a Browns fan, but I know from being an Eagles fans that Joe Banner is a complete and total scumbag. I don't know if he had anything to do with the firing, but he is such a vindictive, spiteful, and petty person. I could tell you about some of the things he did in Philadelphia, and they were pretty low.
I haven't been following the Browns much, so I don't know how much power Banner has, but I'll just say that he was the cause of much of the turmoil that caused the Eagles to fall apart at the end of the Andy Reid era. Banner got power hungry and tried to stick his nose into everything as the years went on. During the final handful of seasons, Banner started to assert his power into personnel moves and wanted a say in draft picks, and the Eagles had some really poor drafts before these last couple when Banner lost control.
I thought Chudzinski was a good hire at the time. I liked what he did in Carolina. It's a shame it all went down this way.
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too bad he didn't get the job done here.
i think haslam will keep hiring and firing until he "get's it right".
god bless that motherfucker!
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In the Press conference yesterday Banner said they made the decision to fire Chud on Saturday.
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too bad he didn't get the job done here.
i think haslam will keep hiring and firing until he "get's it right".
god bless that motherfucker!
too bad he didn't get the job done here.
i think haslam will keep hiring and firing until he "get's it right".
god bless that motherfucker!
In a way, I agree. Get it done or hit the door. This team didn't get any better and lost game after game in the 4th qtr. Other coaches show some results....we need the same damn thing. Give us something to cling to.
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Read a theory that goes something like this:
Banner/Lombardi really like a QB (probably Manziel for this theory to hold up)
They want to take him with the first pick
Chud really doesn't like Manziel
They see Manziel as a critical piece to build around
Chud disagreed, and so to avoid the scenario like in washington where the coach/qb relationship seriously deteriorated, they got rid of the coach, as they inevitably would have done anyway.
It's a possibility I guess.
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Does this mean Weeden is gone? Please
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Does this mean Weeden is gone? Please
What's the dif? Campbell sucks just as bad and Brian Hoyer had two fair to good games and one in which Weeden had to bail him out.Does this mean Weeden is gone? Please
Fact is that the team, especially the defense, folded in the last half. Its just you guys and your irrational hatred of Weeden that might make you think otherwise.
As for Johnny Manziel maybe there's a bigger risk but maybe also the stakes are bigger. I don't see him being and non factor, a journeyman. I guess he could be an exciting success or a dismal failure. The other guys could be average starters or lifelong backups but I don't see the way up or way down side.
Either way I don't pin the failure of this team on the quarterback position.
WSS
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Wow, nothing new here. This could be 2012, 2010, 2007.......
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Cleveland Browns are interviewing for a head coach. No experience required. On the Job training available.
That's the problem with the Browns. If you get a coach that has no experience as a head coach, it is a gamble.
The same thing is true of Quarterbacks. Some draft pics work out and some don't.
So lets get a new head coach and quarterback every year or so and hope for the best.
What a Joke!
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hey calm down. lol. If we have consistency I think we as fans would be lost and confused.
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Reading some of the quotes from the players, you get a sense of moral being erradicated. I know its a business and shit, but come on. The 3 stooges better bring in someone who can hype up these guys now.
So does this mean Ward and Mack are good as gone? Do they want to come back? What FA next year wants to come here?
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Said it last year and I'll say it again .. hopefully not next year.
If the players like the Coach on a 4-12 team something is really wrong,
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The players already looked dead during the regular season.
You can't say they gave up, but they sure looked like it.
I don't know about keeping Ward and Mack. I'm sure with the right check they'll come back.
Unlike a couple others I'd be disappointed if we lose Ward or Mack, because we are not going to get anyone better for next year.
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Been busy with the holidays...and trying to catch up like mad with the Chud firing responses...
After thinking it over a bit, I'm fine with the decision, because it's better the FO cut him loose now than to hide the fact they really don't want him anymore. Would be wasting more time pretending he's the guy they want. Now...go get that guy you really want, and be damn sure about it, and turn this lost ship in the right direction.
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