Josh McDaniels
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If this FO doesn't already have someone lined up - they need to be fired, period. If this offseason goes to hell - I can't support Jimmy anymore.
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I'd take Mcdaniels over any of the other guys they've been rumored to be bringing in for an interview. I think he's a good coach, just a lousy player personel guy, and he wont have to worry about that aspect here.
I'd take Mcdaniels over any of the other guys they've been rumored to be bringing in for an interview. I think he's a good coach, just a lousy player personel guy, and he wont have to worry about that aspect here.
Right, we already have a lousy player personell guy in place.
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It's McDaniels, the guy they really wanted last year. I'm all for it. I say draft Manziel, Beckham, and Carlos Hyde (or best back) and let'er roll. Sounds like a party to me. Sure, we'll be "brash," with McDaniels and Johnny Football. Sure, we'll have attitude and fire. Somebody thinks that's bad?
As far as other less pressing needs (another corner, another ILB, another OL, maybe a joker TE), we've got two thirds, two fourths, and a bajillion dollars to spend, more than anybody else.
Along with five Pro Bowlers and an alternate, the next coach is gonna look like a genius, whoever it is. Teams gonna be crazy talented.
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McDaniels singlehandedly put the Broncos back 4yrs at least and not only is he the leading candidate for the clowns HC position but you as fans actually WANT HIM????
you know what? you deserve to be stain fans.
McDaniels singlehandedly put the Broncos back 4yrs
How did he put the Broncos back four years when they beat the Steelers in the playoffs the very next year? (and followed that up with a couple 13-3 seasons)
You haven't been back to the playsoffs since, Tomlin has set you back three years and counting ...
Zombo
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Tired of the nice guys and where they finish. Belichick learned a lot from his stint in Cleveland and seems to have done pretty well with his 2nd chance.
Which (as has been pointed out) has nothing to do with his coaching tree's success... or rather lack of it.
McDaniels - no freakin way. Browns fans will be chanting "We want Chud back" pretty quickly.
McDaniels is too arrogant, too young. But I can see that Banner and Lombardi would think
he'd fit right in with them on the golf course...
Agree... and how could McD's arrogance co-exist with the FO's???
Intreresting local tidbit from the Boston Globe. Here's an excerpt:
"Josh McDaniels should be skeptical of Browns"
Maybe if McDaniels could look into his crystal ball and see who his quarterback would be with the Browns in 2014, then the job would be intriguing. Otherwise, there is too much uncertainty at quarterback and too much of a circus-like atmosphere to make it an attractive job. McDaniels has a good thing going in New England and can remain patient if he so chooses.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Tired of the nice guys and where they finish. Belichick learned a lot from his stint in Cleveland and seems to have done pretty well with his 2nd chance.
Which (as has been pointed out) has nothing to do with his coaching tree's success... or rather lack of it.
McDaniels - no freakin way. Browns fans will be chanting "We want Chud back" pretty quickly.
McDaniels is too arrogant, too young. But I can see that Banner and Lombardi would think
he'd fit right in with them on the golf course...
Agree... and how could McD's arrogance co-exist with the FO's???
Intreresting local tidbit from the Boston Globe. Here's an excerpt:
"Josh McDaniels should be skeptical of Browns"
Maybe if McDaniels could look into his crystal ball and see who his quarterback would be with the Browns in 2014, then the job would be intriguing. Otherwise, there is too much uncertainty at quarterback and too much of a circus-like atmosphere to make it an attractive job. McDaniels has a good thing going in New England and can remain patient if he so chooses.
Which (as has been pointed out) has nothing to do with his coaching tree's success... or rather lack of it.
Just as his coaching tree's success has nothing to do with how the next guy will perform. It would be no different if every one of his disciples had done great too.......It wouldn't mean the next guy would also be great. McDaniels made mistakes his first time around, and like anyone, should have learned from those mistakes.
That being said, I'm not banging the McDaniels drum by any means, but I think the choice has already been made long before the announcement of Chud's firing. They didn't decide to fire him on Sunday, it was just announced on Sunday. He's been gone for a long time and the replacement has been in place equally as long IMO.
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I believe Chud was never going to get a second year.
That Banner wants somebody only available this year, and Chud
was a fill in for one year.
That explains a lot.
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Tired of the nice guys and where they finish. Belichick learned a lot from his stint in Cleveland and seems to have done pretty well with his 2nd chance.
Which (as has been pointed out) has nothing to do with his coaching tree's success... or rather lack of it.
McDaniels - no freakin way. Browns fans will be chanting "We want Chud back" pretty quickly.
McDaniels is too arrogant, too young. But I can see that Banner and Lombardi would think
he'd fit right in with them on the golf course...
Agree... and how could McD's arrogance co-exist with the FO's???
Intreresting local tidbit from the Boston Globe. Here's an excerpt:
"Josh McDaniels should be skeptical of Browns"
Maybe if McDaniels could look into his crystal ball and see who his quarterback would be with the Browns in 2014, then the job would be intriguing. Otherwise, there is too much uncertainty at quarterback and too much of a circus-like atmosphere to make it an attractive job. McDaniels has a good thing going in New England and can remain patient if he so chooses.
Which (as has been pointed out) has nothing to do with his coaching tree's success... or rather lack of it.
Agree... and how could McD's arrogance co-exist with the FO's???
Intreresting local tidbit from the Boston Globe. Here's an excerpt:
"Josh McDaniels should be skeptical of Browns"
Maybe if McDaniels could look into his crystal ball and see who his quarterback would be with the Browns in 2014, then the job would be intriguing. Otherwise, there is too much uncertainty at quarterback and too much of a circus-like atmosphere to make it an attractive job. McDaniels has a good thing going in New England and can remain patient if he so chooses.
That is just the ignorance and arrogance of the Boston media speaking. The New England job is no better than the Browns job....with one exception: right now McDaniels has Tom Brady to work with. But that won't be the case in a few years. McD will want to work with his own Tom Brady type player (and even he is smart enough to know that a player of that caliber is more likely to be chosen with a high first round pick....not a 6th rounder like Brady.....a pick that the Browns will have, not NE.
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Well , we just got permission to interview him form the Pats ... I think he's the guy.
I actually don't think it's a bad hire: Cleveland roots, smart guy that was hopefully humbled from his Denver experience and has wizened up on how to treat NFL players ... I think the Three Stooges admire him ... But ... wasn't he available last year?
#ThankYouForWastingAYearOfOurLives.
Zombo
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Well , we just got permission to interview him form the Pats ... I think he's the guy.
I actually don't think it's a bad hire: Cleveland roots, smart guy that was hopefully humbled from his Denver experience and has wizened up on how to treat NFL players ... I think the Three Stooges admire him ... But ... wasn't he available last year?
#ThankYouForWastingAYearOfOurLives.
Zombo
Of course he's a smart guy. He went to THE John Carroll University. Only geniuses who are incredibly good-looking go there.Zombo said:
Well , we just got permission to interview him form the Pats ... I think he's the guy.
I actually don't think it's a bad hire: Cleveland roots, smart guy that was hopefully humbled from his Denver experience and has wizened up on how to treat NFL players ... I think the Three Stooges admire him ... But ... wasn't he available last year?
#ThankYouForWastingAYearOfOurLives.
Zombo
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Of course he's a smart guy. He went to THE John Carroll University. Only geniuses who are incredibly good-looking go there.Zombo said:
Well , we just got permission to interview him form the Pats ... I think he's the guy.
I actually don't think it's a bad hire: Cleveland roots, smart guy that was hopefully humbled from his Denver experience and has wizened up on how to treat NFL players ... I think the Three Stooges admire him ... But ... wasn't he available last year?
#ThankYouForWastingAYearOfOurLives.
Zombo
Of course he's a smart guy. He went to THE John Carroll University. Only geniuses who are incredibly good-looking go there.
He has better roots than that: He and I were born in the same hospital. He lived in my sister in law's neighborhood at the time. She remembers him riding his bike around the neighborhood and passing out Halloween candy to him.
So? Does that mean since he went to John Carroll that he will become the next Don Shula? (If he comes here....hopefully so)
He actually lived in a neighborhood that would have sent him to GlenOak schools....but because his Dad was the coach at Canton McKinley, apparently he was allowed to attend that HS.
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Well , we just got permission to interview him form the Pats ... I think he's the guy.
I actually don't think it's a bad hire: Cleveland roots, smart guy that was hopefully humbled from his Denver experience and has wizened up on how to treat NFL players ... I think the Three Stooges admire him ... But ... wasn't he available last year?
#ThankYouForWastingAYearOfOurLives.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Well , we just got permission to interview him form the Pats ... I think he's the guy.
I actually don't think it's a bad hire: Cleveland roots, smart guy that was hopefully humbled from his Denver experience and has wizened up on how to treat NFL players ... I think the Three Stooges admire him ... But ... wasn't he available last year?
#ThankYouForWastingAYearOfOurLives.
Zombo
He took his name out of all head coaching consideration last year. He was our third choice, but he said he was happy where he was.
I think it's a load of shit.
I think he was afraid of an evaluation year and the FO knew it, so they hired Chud as a fall guy. Chud was never in this FO's long term plans. If he won 12 games, then he would get to stay. If he didn't, well...we know what happened.
It's not hard to imagine that this FO secretly spoke with McDaniels last year, he said he wanted to take the job but wouldn't take it because he didn't want to go through an evaluation year, so the FO brought in Chud to take the lumps and see what we had as far as talent. Then Chud gets dumped after one year after conveniently blowing 8 straight, McDaniels comes in and gets the guy he's been touting since last year (Manziel) plus a WR in the first (Evans) and a RB in the second, and he suddenly has his franchise QB, the #1 WR in the league, a first-round rookie WR, a Pro Bowl TE, a Pro Bowl LT, a Pro Bowl C, and a second round rookie RB. And in case Manziel fails, we conveniently have Brian Hoyer to fill in, the guy Lombardi has been claiming is a NFL starting QB for years.
Then McDaniels takes that high powered offense and pairs it with our very solid defense and wins the AFC North next season, and now Lombardi looks like a genius because he's been touting McDaniels since Day 1.
Honestly, how can anyone not see that?
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Actually, I think the better question is "What's wrong with that?" It results in a better team and some success. The only significantly negative aspect to it would be that Chud got the shaft from the FO from the beginning, but I've already kind of accepted that.
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I'm on board with McDaniels. He seemed like a good coach in Denver, but was HORRIBLE with the rest of the responsibility he took on. If all he has to do is focus on football, then he might turn out to be pretty good.
I'd like to see him keep Horton and his staff around. I know some people weren't impressed, but seriously can we do any better?
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Actually, I think the better question is "What's wrong with that?" It results in a better team and some success. The only significantly negative aspect to it would be that Chud got the shaft from the FO from the beginning, but I've already kind of accepted that.
Actually, I think the better question is "What's wrong with that?" It results in a better team and some success. The only significantly negative aspect to it would be that Chud got the shaft from the FO from the beginning, but I've already kind of accepted that.
I don't have a problem with it at all, outside of Chud getting the shaft, as you said.
If I were in McDaniels situation, I'd do the same thing. If it leads to us being perennial playoff contenders, then it doesn't matter. There's no room in the game for niceties.
I just would rather see us get Brett Hundley or Blake Bortles, but I am (very slightly) warming up to the idea of Manziel. He's still my fourth choice, but he's at least been upgraded from "absolutely, positively, no way".
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Of course he's a smart guy. He went to THE John Carroll University. Only geniuses who are incredibly good-looking go there.
He has better roots than that: He and I were born in the same hospital. He lived in my sister in law's neighborhood at the time. She remembers him riding his bike around the neighborhood and passing out Halloween candy to him.
So? Does that mean since he went to John Carroll that he will become the next Don Shula? (If he comes here....hopefully so)
He actually lived in a neighborhood that would have sent him to GlenOak schools....but because his Dad was the coach at Canton McKinley, apparently he was allowed to attend that HS.
I'm from Canton too and teach at McKinley now. Everyone in Stark County knows the McDaniels name.He has better roots than that: He and I were born in the same hospital. He lived in my sister in law's neighborhood at the time. She remembers him riding his bike around the neighborhood and passing out Halloween candy to him.
So? Does that mean since he went to John Carroll that he will become the next Don Shula? (If he comes here....hopefully so)
He actually lived in a neighborhood that would have sent him to GlenOak schools....but because his Dad was the coach at Canton McKinley, apparently he was allowed to attend that HS.
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Browns wanted McDaniels last year after the less realistic star fucking. Banner and Lombardi love him and he made a ton of sense. There are some nice stats on guys getting their second chance as a head coach with a little space in between. So much to learn and then some time to process it... and who better to process with than Belicheck, the prime example of a Second Chancer?
Assuming it's McDaniels, expect the Browns to be forward thinking at the quarterback position. Nobody's run the spread more than McDaniels (in New England) and nobody's found a way to win with Tebow except McDaniels, an early adaptor to the RO.
Man, if that doesn't scream Johnny Manziel, I don't know what does. Could be Mariota, who just might reverse field and come out. Or maybe Brett Hundley gets a year to watch because his ceiling is the highest in the draft. Point being, we won't mind all that much if Jacksonville takes Blake Bortles as many are now suggesting.
But with the talent this team will have accumulated by July (6 Pro Bowlers, 40-some mill in cap, 10 draft picks), I think I could win 8 or 9 games next year.
PS: I agree with Couch to an extent. One thing McDaniels has learned from his travels away from and back to Tom Brady is you ain't winning jack squat without the quarterback. He didn't think the Browns had one and didn't see one in the draft.
Now he does.
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so McDaniels, manziel and Evans coming to cleveland?
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