2014 Quarterback Draft Board
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Roethlisberger played in The fucking MAC and has two Super Bowl rings, Flacco went to the university of Delaware and has a Super Bowl ring, Tony Romo went to eastern Illinois and fucked Jessica Simpson before she got fat.
OK, so, which of the three achieved the greatest accomplishment?
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Hey everybody, I'm new here but I've been a member of a few different Browns forums for years. I do post only stuff I typically see, as I've had aspirations of being an NFL scout before I decided to become more realistic. This board probably has over 100 hours of scouting from full games. I'd love any feedback on it, thanks!
1. Teddy Twatwater- Louisville: 6’3 205- JR.
Positives: Bridgewater is a very poised quarterback that is patient reading a defense. He has a strong, accurate arm. Excellent ball placement on every throw. Plays tough, will make perfect throws with pressure in his face. Good leader. Smart, and has control of his offense. Moves around the pocket well with his speed. Mechanics are good, steps into his release, which puts more on the ball but doesn't seem to slow down his release much. Very good footwork. Has excellent accuracy when he doesn't set his feet, but when he is set, can make any throw asked of him. Plays a pro style offense, so his transition will be fast (may take a bit of time with speed of defenses because of where he plays). An excellent athlete, he can take off and run as well as anybody in the country. Probably isn't the best at anything, in this class, but is the best at the most things. He has strong upside because of this, as long as he continues to improve. Even in losses, he is playing at an elite level, which shows how much he really does matter to his squad. I love his on field and off-the-field demeanor. He has good body language, which is a very underrated trait for quarterbacks. Is a tough, gritty player, who will step into throws while getting crushed and have good overall consistency.
Negatives: Level of competition. Bridgewater’s only major knock is that he didn’t play elite competition every week. He also has a bit of a strange throwing motion (mainly because of him stepping into his throws so aggressively), but it doesn’t affect his release speed. He has played well in games against top level schools but hasn’t had enough of a sample size. He may be a touch shorter then his listed height, and it wouldn't surprise me if he was 6'1 1/2 or 6'2. He has a bit of a slight build, which could make it difficult for him to add weight to his frame. I'm a touch worried that him playing with lower level competition and him getting absolutely massacred could hurt his development as a passer and turn him into "Checkdown Ted!". His consistency on deep balls didn't progress as well as I hoped it would have from last year. Needs to make the jump to the NFL right now, or he's just wasting precious years of development.
NFL Comparison: Aaron Rodgers/Donovan McNabb
Draft Position: Top 3 pick in First Round
2. Blake Bortles- UCF: 6'4 235- RS JR.
Positives: Bortles has been called a poor man's Andrew Luck, and I think being compared to the highest ranked quarterback prospect in the past 20 years is very high praise. I actually see some Luck in his game, but I think he that is a weak comparison, at best. That's not to say he isn't an elite prospect, however. He has excellent field awareness and that is shown when he makes dazzling plays by himself all the time. The difference between him and a guy like Johnny Manziel is that Bortles has the size to take the hits he surely will take in the NFL. At 6'4 235, he has ideal size for the position and looks like he could even add 10 more pounds to his frame. I love the way he keeps plays alive and there is a ton of Brett Favre in his game. His feel for the pocket makes his ability to run outside the pocket a very advantageous tool for an offense. He doesn't need designed runs to be effective either, because he usually runs better when flushed out of the pocket and is forced to make it happen by himself. He is VERY accurate while throwing the ball on the run, which is a major plus with how much pressure most defenses can put on a quarterback. His field vision is very solid overall, and while he will occasionally stare down his first read, he is usually pretty good about spreading the football. Executes quick reads very well, although his accuracy wavers on them (which needs to be improved). Plays with consistent pressure in his face and will usually hit his target in stride, I don't know the exact statistics on this, but I think he actually plays better with pressure in his face. It isn't very often that you find a guy who can play like this in college, and it is very reassuring that he can play like that. His mechanics are solid in terms of his upper body, and while his throwing motion isn't Tony Romo fast, it is more than adequate. A very strong arm and has good ball placement down the field. I love the way he will tear apart a zone defense, which seems to be dying in the NFL because of quarterbacks like him. He is a very tough kid that will be an excellent quarterback on Sundays if he fine tunes some of his slight flaws. UCF doesn't have the hardest schedule in the world, but I'd say it is as good as Ohio State's, so it is very solid. He has Ben Roethlisberger/Brett Favre upside in his game, and those two guys are going in the Hall of Fame. He was recruited as a tight end, which is a testament to his athleticism. He bounced back from a brutal start to have a fantastic bowl game against Baylor, throwing 3 touchdowns and for over 300 yards after two early interceptions. I don't think he should play right away, but that isn't a knock. Learning quick reads and having the game slow down for him would make him an absolutely dangerous weapon.
Negatives: While I think he is a phenomenal prospect overall, there are some things he definitely needs to work on in his game. First, he will pat the football sometimes, which is very annoying and is likely a habit he has had since he began his career as a quarterback. It is just wasted motion and something that could help refine the way he plays when it's gone. He also doesn't step into his throws often enough and let's his strong arm put the ball where it has to be. Some of this is because he is so used to being under constant pressure that he just get's rid of it without always going through a complete throwing motion. This isn't consistent either way, so I view it as a quick fix with good coaching. One thing that worries me is his interceptions. He has not thrown very many this year, but the correlation between his picks and their margin of victory/loss is very interesting. Every game he has thrown an interception in has been decided by 5 points or less. His one loss on the year was his only multi-interception game. I just find it interesting, and it is something to look into as he develops. Overall, there is not much to nitpick about on this kid.
NFL Comparison: Ben Roethlisberger/Brett Favre
Draft Position: Top 5 Pick in First Round (Top pick in 2015)
3. Derek Carr- Fresno State: 6’3 210- RS SR.
Positives: Great mechanics and a very strong arm. Reads the defense well and has a little more poise then his brother did in college. Doesn’t turn the ball over often and makes smart decisions. Has good height. Can move around the pocket pretty well. A leader, and very mature kid with a wife and child. Has played himself into first round consideration because of his very smart play, along with his strong arm. He isn't afraid to take the big shot, and since he makes such quick reads, the defense doesn't have a quick reaction time to his deep balls. I like his fit for an NFL vertical passing game, since he can make all the throws and has great precision on his passes. His passes down the field are darts. I love the way his game has improved over the past few years. Part of the best aspect of scouting is seeing how much a prospect has improved over their career, and Carr has improved more than any other guy in this draft class. He may have the best deep ball velocity in this draft class, and is more consistent on the deep ball then he was before this year.
Negatives: He isn’t always super precise on some passes, but it may be attributed to him being a lot more talented than the rest of his team. Will sometimes miss on intermediate throws. Needs to show better footwork at times (most of the time). He will have some of the same issues Jay Cutler and Matthew Stafford have without improved footwork. Is primarily a shotgun quarterback, in a non traditional, non-pro style offense. He has a slightly low release point. There is no semblance of a run game and they use the short passing game to set up the deep ball. Still learning how to read defenses a bit, he is good, but will occasionally have a big blown play. Needs to gain about 20 pounds. People will push him down draft boards because he is David Carr’s brother, but that isn’t fair. He hasn’t played against much top level competition so he is going to have a bigger learning curve. Needs to bounce back after a very underwhelming bowl game against USC, where he and his team was clearly over-matched.
NFL Comparison: Matthew Stafford/Jay Cutler
Draft Position: Top 6 Pick in First Round
4. A.J. McCarron- Alabama: 6’4 220- RS SR.
Positives: Smart quarterback that has been a winner his entire career. He is very accurate and efficient. Good size with a solid build for the position. Has a bit of a swagger, showing the “It Factor”. Has been coached well and faced top level competition on a weekly basis. Insanely productive and throws very few interceptions. Nice velocity on his short and intermediate throws. Excellent ball placement and ability to read a defense. He knows how to learn a complex playbook and execute it better than anybody else in the country. An absolutely great kid, who will be a fine member of the community wherever he goes. I think he is a bit underrated, which is surprising to me, because I was not a fan of him before this year. He has improved quite a bit, and with his slightly limited athletic ability, that is good. He makes up for having below elite arm strength by having very solid ball placement on most throws. He also makes quick reads, and places the ball well on them. He could still improve this with a quickened up release. I want to see him add some weight, because of his lack of athletic ability. He has a good build for adding weight, which will help him take hits. Has won multiple National Championships and knows how to handle success.
Negatives: Weakish arm, which will limit the offenses he can be in. Has been on teams with incredible talent and hasn’t had to win them many games by himself. While a good leader, not a super respected player in NFL draft circles because of the program he comes from. A bit of a sloppy throwing motion and mechanics, needs to quicken his release. Was surrounded by multiple top three round offensive lineman, highly touted running backs, and was in a run-first offense. I don't think he was challenged as much as he would have been at a different school, and that could have actually hurt his draft stock. His upside may have been spent in college and may not be getting any better (like many Alabama players). Is very accurate, but will have mental lapses and miss his guys in stride on multiple passes in a row, this needs to be corrected.
NFL Comparison: Alex Smith (without all the athletic ability)
Draft Position: (Top 30 Pick in First Round)
5. Johnny Manziel- Texas A&M: 6’ 200- RS SOPH.
Positives: Great playmaker. He has the skills to light up any defense, as a runner. Is prone to big plays and can keep A&M in any game. Moves around the pocket well and extends the play with his legs. Has a pretty strong arm for his size. Was the first freshman to even win the Heisman trophy. Makes the players around him better. Is respected by his teammates as a leader. He is very accurate on short and intermediate throws (even with the occasional lapse). He seemingly can make every throw if they are within his range. Expert improviser. Reads a defense better than most option quarterbacks which gets him a lot of points from me. Reading a defense is a major part of why most young quarterbacks fail in the NFL. He's a natural leader, even though I question how his style will work at the next level. Showed up for one of the biggest games of his career, the Chick-Fil-A Bowl, against Duke. He likely had his biggest game as his last, 30 for 38 for 382 yards and 4 touchdowns; also adding 73 yards and a touchdown on the ground. Did a great job not turning the ball over. Bounced back from two horrible losses to end the season, where he had the two worst games in his college career. Completed 71% of his passes and threw for 5 touchdowns against Alabama. Is just about as good as it gets in terms of keeping the play alive and is never out of a play. Is about as hard to sack as any quarterback I've ever seen. Needs to show more consistent ball placement, but he has shown he has the ability to throw the ball on a dime. Has the arm strength to theoretically play in any offense.
Negatives: I have my reason for disliking him as a quarterback, because he gives me a lot of them. The "he just wins" argument is absolutely ludicrous. Colt McCoy won, Ken Dorsey won, Kellen Moore won, they all have one thing in common; a major deficiency that caused them to be unsuccessful pros. How does this apply to Manziel? Horrible passing mechanics and size deficiency. Will get eaten alive in the pros if he continues to play recklessly in the pass and run game. Leaves the ball hanging in the air far too often, which will hurt him in the pros. He throws the ball with a side arm release, which will hinder him even more because of his short stature. There are times where he has an elongated release. If a guy get's hurt in EVERY game of his college career, how will he last in the pros? He simply wont. He will be injured all the time. He runs around, doesn't slide, takes huge hits, and get's carried to the huddle. That doesn't show me his toughness, it shows me that he does not have the size to play like that in the NFL, and he doesn't have the size or mechanics to make up for it. People will point to Drew Brees and Russel Wilson as examples of short quarterbacks who made it work, but there is a major difference between Brees and Manziel, bulk and accuracy. Drew Brees is still 220+ pounds at 6'. He has NFL bulk. Manziel has the bulk of a kicker or punter and that is not made as a joke, it is a fact. He lacks the accuracy that makes Wilson and Brees so impeccable, that is why they are the exception and not the rule, and that is why they are considered some of the best. I want Manziel to gain some mass and improve his accuracy, but the fact that those two things are being so overlooked is very bothersome. He is much more of a project than people think.
NFL Comparison: Michael Vick size and speed with Ben Roethlisberger skill set and play making ability.
Draft Position: (First Round)
6. David Fales- San Jose State: 6’3 230- RS SR.
Positives: The smartest quarterback in this draft class. I love how he commands their offense. It is rare to see a quarterback with the poise of Fales in college. His accuracy is, again, spectacular, and he will put the ball on the numbers as often as they’ll let him. Pocket awareness has been spectacular, but it has been slightly worse this year. Good size, very prototypical. Good, quick release. Mechanically, you can't get better than Fales. If he was as physically gifted as he is mentally and mechanically, he would be the consensus number 1 pick. Reads the field very well and will take what the defense gives him. Plays very well with limited talent around him. Great leader and commands the huddle well. I like his presence on the field, and displays excellent body language.
Negatives: He has regressed this season, especially when breaking down the tape. He seems to have gotten "happy feet" because of his offensive line and may be losing his guys on offense. His arm isn’t top notch on deep throws. He has adequate velocity on short and intermediate passes, but just can’t get his arm to the next level. Inconsistent because of the competition he plays against. This will limit him a bit in the pros and he won’t be able to play in every offense. He also didn’t play against top level competition. Most schools were smaller and he was able to dominate them. Some parts of his game regressed, and if they stayed on par, he'd likely be in my top 5.
NFL Comparison: Matt Hasselbeck (Between 2002 and 2007)
Draft Position: (Early 2nd Round- Late 3rd Round)
7. Jimmy Garoppolo- Eastern Illinois: 6'3 225- SR.
Positives: Dominates the level of competition he faces each and every week. Is a true team first guy and the leader of his team. He has great poise and mechanics. I love the way the ball comes out of his hand. Is a very mature guy who faces adversity well. He re-wrote the record books at Eastern Illinois, but he has also improved every season. He's thrown 53 touchdowns compared to 9 interceptions on the year, and is having his best season, by far. He is better in every statistical category compared to previous seasons. Has over 5,000 yards passing on the year, which is 1,200 more than his previous high. His completion percentage has also went up 4% this year, and his yards per attempt has gone up a whopping 2 yards. His yards per attempt is a stellar 8.9, which is very high considering his completion percentage is well below 70. His decision making has improved immensely, and it has led to 22 more touchdowns than last year and 6 less interceptions. Will be compared to Tony Romo due to him coming from a small school, but he is a combination of David Garrard and Eli Manning (Of typical years). He throws the ball a lot like Manning, but has the athletic build and throwing motion of Garrard. I am not a stat junkie, but I will admit when a guy is absolutely dominant. His pocket awareness is spectacular and his accuracy has improved with his decision making. He is very savvy and has the "It Factor". He has NFL size, his body type is very solid for a pro passer.
Negatives: Didn't play against top level competition every week. One has to wonder how he would have done at a top level program. He is a pure pocket passer, so he won't be able to overcome a bad offensive line as well as a guy with speed. He is one notch below elite arm strength, and you can tell on some of his deep balls that he has to put everything into his throws to get them into tight spaces down the field. Won't always look off his first read, and that needs to be corrected in the pros. Has a bigger learning curve than the average QB prospect because of his level of competition. Until this season, did throw quite a few interceptions per year (a total of 49 in his college career). I don't know if he is going to be elite, because the jump from small school prospect to elite NFL quarterback is pretty huge. He may always throw double-digit interceptions because of his decision making.
NFL Comparison: Eli Manning/David Garrard
Draft Position: (Mid 2nd Round-Early 4th)
8. Keith Wenning- Ball State: 6'3 220- SR.
Positives: Wenning is a very talented player that has been one of the best quarterbacks in the country this year in terms of yards, touchdowns and QBR. He is a strong leader with a fantastic work ethic and according to his coaches and teammates he will put in extra time every day. I really like his short to intermediate accuracy. He has good mechanics, which is one of my stickler traits. I just recently began scouting him, and had a lot of tape to catch up on, but he has been very impressive. He has a solid build and nice bulk. He has solid arm strength, not fantastic, but good. Tough kid who has a major chip on his shoulder after not being recruited highly out of high school. Not very fast, but quick enough to move around the pocket and away from hits.
Negatives: While I wouldn't consider this a negative, because the MAC has better defenses then the Big 12, Big 10, and Pac 12, there will be people who consider it a weak conference to play in. His accuracy wanes a bit from time to time, and that needs to be improved. His deep ball needs to be more consistent, and he will sometimes put too much air on it. May just be "average" at a lot of things, and not fantastic at anything. His strong work ethic may make him a bit of an overachiever. Lacks top level arm strength.
NFL Comparison: Zac Dysert/Kevin Kolb (in terms of physical ability)
Draft Position: (Late 3rd Round-Early 5th Round)
9. Zach Mettenberger- LSU: 6'6 235- RS SR.
Positives: Mettenberger has an NFL frame and looks like he could be a fast riser due to the strong start he's had this season. He's been insanely confident in his arm and teammates this season, and it shows up on the stat sheet. He was very impressive in LSU's loss to Georgia and had a great game outside of their last drive. He has a rocket arm, very typical for guys of his size. He has shown improved accuracy this season, where last year he only completed 58% of his passes. He has improved his decision making, throwing only 1 interception so far this season. He can make every throw asked to make. Makes solid reads and doesn't make a ton of bad decisions with the ball. Has been tutored by Cam Cameron, who has worked in the NFL and was part of Joe Flacco's development.
Negatives: His mechanics need to be reworked. He holds the ball too low, which makes him have to pull it up before he throws, that adds time to his throwing motions and it could be the difference between a sack and getting the ball out. He isn't much of an athlete, but I have seen him take off and run. He drops back very slowly, and will need to improve when he isn't in the shotgun. He has a relatively small sample size to work with because he hasn't been playing at this level for very long, so it's hard to gauge if it's the system or player that is working. He will stare down receivers, that needs to be corrected. His lack of athleticism will get him sacked, and doesn't have a spectacular feel for the pocket (based on last year's tape). TORE ACL WEEK OF 11/30, LIKELY TO MISS OFFSEASON WORKOUTS AND EARLY TRAINING CAMP.
NFL Comparison: Joe Flacco/Derek Anderson (Size of Ben, skill set of Anderson. Smarter than Anderson, but has similar traits)
Draft Position: (Early 3rd-Mid 4th)
10. Kevin Hogan- Stanford: 6'4 225- RS JR.
Positives: He throws well on the run, Stanford's offense uses the bubble screen a lot and Hogan sells well like he is running the football. He has solid footwork. He has NFL size and arm strength. His accuracy and ball placement is developing, but better then some of the prospects ranked above him. He has brought the momentum he had last year into this one, and started the year off well. Is a smart kid, which shows simply with him playing at Stanford. I need to see more from him.
Negatives: He throws with a side-arm release too often, which leads to a hitch when he doesn't. He can be indecisive, but that should improve with experience. Needs to add a little bit of weight, he just looks a touch lanky to me. Will stare down his first read, leading to sacks. Will sometimes get rid of the ball immediately, on plays that don't look designed to be that way, with no pressure on him. Needs to get a better feel for the pocket, again, should come with experience. Deep ball needs work, and won't be able to start right away. A rash of bad games has really made me question if he is going to come out this year. Ending the season on a bad note is not the best way to end a college career, he needs to finish strong to show people like me that these past 3 games are the exception and not the rule. Destroyed any possible boost in stock with a stinker in the Rose Bowl against Michigan State's defense.
NFL Comparison: Ryan Tannehill (Minus the same type of running ability) with a Philip Rivers type release.
Draft Position: (Early 3rd-Early 4th) (Should stay in school)
11. Casey Pachall- TCU: 6'5 235- RS SR.
Positives: Prototypical quarterback. Spectacular passer, a first round talent with a cannon like he has. Ball placement is very on target, and his accuracy is as good as guys like Derek Carr. A mid-60's percentage passer his entire career. In 2011, looked like a sure-fire first round prospect, had 25 touchdown passes compared to only 7 interceptions in his first year as the starter. Looks natural dropping back to pass. Reads the defense well, doesn't lock onto his first read unless he is under pressure. He can take off and run a bit, not particularly fast, but is shifty for a big guy. Very quick feet, sets them well, which helps him move around the pocket well. His release is quick. He has a ton of upside as a prototypical drop-back passer. Honestly, would probably be ranked above Mariota for me if he didn't have the issues with drugs and drinking, because I think he is polished and ready to play in the NFL today. He is better than Andy Dalton, his predecessor, in literally every way and Dalton is a very serviceable NFL quarterback.
Negatives: Pachall was addicted to multiple drugs and alcohol and had to go to rehab during the 2012 season. He is back, and playing for TCU, but that will be a MAJOR red flag for any NFL team looking to take a shot at this guy. In terms of his play, he will stare down his receivers sometimes, and has left guys out to dry on occasion. I think he will stare down his receivers a bit if he is feeling the defense near him. Needs a mentor and will be in the NFL Drug program his entire career. If he ever picks himself back up and get's himself together, a team has an absolute steal with this guy.
NFL Comparison: Ryan Tannehill (With the athleticism)
Draft Position: (Early 5th- Undrafted) (Has the upside of an early 1st)
12. Tajh Boyd- Clemson: 6'1 225- RS SR.
Positives: Strong arm, really can zip the ball down the field. He is pretty accurate on short and intermediate passes. Is good for at least one big pass a game. Very good at throwing on the run. Moves around the pocket well and can take off if he has to. Very thick, hard to bring down. His deep ball typically wont be picked off because he only puts it where his guy can go get it (although not always very accurately). Has a lot of experience against high level competition.He has improved his game the past few weeks, which is why I've moved him up over guys like Murray and McCarron, who don't have the upside he possesses.
Negatives: Short and inaccurate. His deep ball is pretty but it isn’t on the money often. Seems really soft to me. He feeds the ball to Sammy Watkins to cover his deficiencies far too often. Can’t read a defense because of the offense he is in. Many of his passes would be interceptions if he played in the NFL. Plays in an offense that makes him use the shotgun every play. Has poor body language too often. Doesn’t place the ball well and will leave his receivers out to dry far too often. Hasn’t improved a ton since last season and may never get more consistent. Puts too much air on a lot of his throws. Takes off to run far too often.
NFL Comparison: Tarvaris Jackson
Draft Position: (Mid 3rd-Mid 4th Round)
13. Jeff Mathews- Cornell: 6'4 230- SR.
Positives: He passes the eye test, looks like a big 230 and doesn't seem lanky like Kevin Hogan. He is very accurate, completing 67% of his passes in 2011 and 62% last year. Shows better arm then the "Typical Ivy League Quarterback". Solid footwork, and his mechanics are solid, (needs to quicken them up a touch, there is some wasted motion). Not afraid to zip the ball into a tight window.
Negatives: He played against Ivy League competition, so he wasn't facing top level guys on a week-to-week basis. He doesn't show off his arm often enough, and will resort to check downs way too much. His velocity wanes at times, which is frustrating, because he will lob it when he needs to put zip and put zip when he needs to lob (Most annoying thing ever). Runs an offense with too many designed plays, where he will force the ball to a guy because that's where "It's supposed to go"; doesn't make a ton of decisions on his own. Not a runner, at all. Won't always feel the pocket well. His play has regressed since 2011, which isn't a good sign. Needs development, but has the tools to be a solid pro, especially behind a similar player or in a complex offense with an established quarterback (Would be a perfect fit for Indy behind Andrew Luck, or New England behind Brady).
NFL Comparison: Trent Edwards and Ryan Fitzpatrick
Draft Position: (Early 5th-Early 7th)
14. Tom Savage- Pittsburgh: 6'5 235- RS SR.
Positives: Savage looks like an NFL quarterback when standing in the pocket; there aren't many that can deny that. He has a top flight arm, which will take him places, and excellent zip on the football. I absolutely love his deep ball because of the excellent ball placement. He has overall solid mechanics, especially for a big guy. He is a gunslinger, and not afraid to take a shot down the field between two defenders. After two years of not playing college football, he came back and played well for Pitt. He can make all the throws.
Negatives: He's played football at THREE different division 1 schools since 2009. He started his career at Rutgers, where he played excellent as a true freshman, throwing for 14 touchdowns to only 7 interceptions. As a sophomore, he was injured and lost his job permanently, so he transferred to Arizona, where he left before even playing because of their Rich Rodriquez hire (who can blame him there). So he ended up at Pitt, where he redshirted last year and is now the starter. It is so difficult to break down a guy with a pretty small sample size, and has played in different offenses. He's still only 23, though, so his age isn't an issue. He has to make better decisions with the football. For a guy who has been to 3 different schools, learned under a ton of different coaches, and been in a few different offenses, he still has a lot to learn. He will lock onto his first read and wait for them to get open, when there are other players open on the play. He will also throw a dumb interceptions here and there, where it is head scratching.
NFL Comparison: Tom Brandstater
Draft Position: (Early 5th-Early 7th)
16. Aaron Murray- Georgia: 6’1 210- RS SR.
Positives: Great leader, has been "The Guy" at Georgia for awhile and performed well. Has a very accurate arm and shows excellent touch on most of his passes. Has the arm strength to hit on all the short and intermediate throws with ease. Has some mobility that really shows up when you review his tape. Has total command of his offense. Makes great reads and doesn't make terrible decisions when he is throwing the ball. Rarely has the "bonehead" throws. He has played against top level competition and performed as well as anybody. Murray has very solid mechanics and rarely looks sloppy.
Negatives: He is very injury prone and undersized for the NFL. Was granted an extra season of eligibility due to injury. Strained ankle, sprained knee, has been seen on crutches after games. Tough kid, but it will only get worse in the pros. UPDATE: Tore his ACL 11/23 and will miss the remainder of the season plus off-season workouts. This is just another reason to stay clear of Murray. He is completely injury prone and his lack of bulk will not get better because of his slight body type. He may be one of those guys in college who was a great college quarterback, but lacks the athletic and physical ability to be a great pro (Colt McCoy is a perfect example, their tape is almost identical). While he has a bigger arm then guys like McCoy, he still can't fit the ball into a tight window down the field. He has to loft most of his deep passes and those will be interceptions in the NFL. I really worry about his over-hype, mainly because we see guys like him all the time and they rarely work out.
NFL Comparison: Colt McCoy size with Philip Rivers ability
Draft Position: (Mid 4th-Early 6th)
Amazing that when these publications come out how they pump up the weight on bridgewater. I read one that had him at 225 already when in fact he is 195 lbs soaking wet.
Amazing that when these publications come out how they pump up the weight on bridgewater.
Amazing that someone would quote an 8 page write to post two lines that stand on their own...
Zombo said:
So the best prospect in this draft is small and has never played anybody? Pass.
Draft Bortles and let him sit for a year or until Hoyer blows out a knee again.
So wise and yet so...
Just can't be that cavalier with a #4 overall...
all that BS will be taken care of at the combine
IF.... he attends the combine. Many top QB prospects take a pass and opt for their own pro-days...
Roethlisberger played in The fucking MAC and has two Super Bowl rings, Flacco went to the university of Delaware and has a Super Bowl ring, Tony Romo went to eastern Illinois and fucked Jessica Simpson before she got fat.
Therefore one, pre-fat Jessica is roughly equal to 1.5 SB rings???
Bilgewater is getting way over hyped in my opinion.
When in a desert... you tend to see mirages...
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Amazing that when these publications come out how they pump up the weight on bridgewater.
Amazing that someone would quote an 8 page write to post two lines that stand on their own...
Zombo said:
So the best prospect in this draft is small and has never played anybody? Pass.
Draft Bortles and let him sit for a year or until Hoyer blows out a knee again.
So wise and yet so...
Just can't be that cavalier with a #4 overall...
all that BS will be taken care of at the combine
IF.... he attends the combine. Many top QB prospects take a pass and opt for their own pro-days...
Roethlisberger played in The fucking MAC and has two Super Bowl rings, Flacco went to the university of Delaware and has a Super Bowl ring, Tony Romo went to eastern Illinois and fucked Jessica Simpson before she got fat.
Therefore one, pre-fat Jessica is roughly equal to 1.5 SB rings???
Bilgewater is getting way over hyped in my opinion.
When in a desert... you tend to see mirages...
IF.... he attends the combine. Many top QB prospects take a pass and opt for their own pro-days...
I think all the players attend the combine to go through the measurements and interviews but you're right, most top QB's won't work out or throw at the combine. A guy like Manziel would be smart to actually go through all the workouts at the combine since there are so many questions with him both on and off the field.
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I'd rather dig in Jessica Simpsons guts circa 2006 than have a Super Bowl ring for each finger and toe.
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Amazing that someone would quote an 8 page write to post two lines that stand on their own...
Didn't realize I could edit the quote down sorry I'll do better next time
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Roethlisberger played in The fucking MAC and has two Super Bowl rings, Flacco went to the university of Delaware and has a Super Bowl ring, Tony Romo went to eastern Illinois and fucked Jessica Simpson before she got fat.
OK, so, which of the three achieved the greatest accomplishment?
Roethlisberger played in The fucking MAC and has two Super Bowl rings, Flacco went to the university of Delaware and has a Super Bowl ring, Tony Romo went to eastern Illinois and fucked Jessica Simpson before she got fat.
OK, so, which of the three achieved the greatest accomplishment?
Tony Romo without a doubt. Jessica Simpson and Carie Underwood he's my hero!
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so you like 'em dumb and blonde.
yeah their great for a booty call but try living with one.
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so you like 'em dumb and blonde.
yeah their great for a booty call but try living with one.
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so you like 'em dumb and blonde.
yeah their great for a booty call but try living with one.
so you like 'em dumb and blonde.
yeah their great for a booty call but try living with one.
You sound like the voice of experience?
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You sound like the voice of experience?
been there, done that.
show me a good looking woman and i'll show you a guy that's tired of fucking her.
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You sound like the voice of experience?
been there, done that.
show me a good looking woman and i'll show you a guy that's tired of fucking her.
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No matter how hot the girl, there is a guy that is sick of her.
Words to live by;
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