Josh McDaniels
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The pending litigation against and real possibility of Haslam losing Browns ownership makes for one helluva hard sale in bringing in decent coaching talent. I suspect Browns will again have to settle for another bottom feeder. So it goes.
The pending litigation against and real possibility of Haslam losing Browns ownership makes for one helluva hard sale in bringing in decent coaching talent. I suspect Browns will again have to settle for another bottom feeder. So it goes.
There is nothing that is going to force Haslam to lose the Browns. At worse his old man or his kid takes over as the "titular" owner of the team.
FYI, I do not believe the NFL has a rule that says that a convicted felon cannot be the owner of an NFL team. But I will check.
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The pending litigation against and real possibility of Haslam losing Browns ownership makes for one helluva hard sale in bringing in decent coaching talent. I suspect Browns will again have to settle for another bottom feeder. So it goes.
There is nothing that is going to force Haslam to lose the Browns. At worse his old man or his kid takes over as the "titular" owner of the team.
FYI, I do not believe the NFL has a rule that says that a convicted felon cannot be the owner of an NFL team. But I will check.
There is nothing that is going to force Haslam to lose the Browns. At worse his old man or his kid takes over as the "titular" owner of the team.
FYI, I do not believe the NFL has a rule that says that a convicted felon cannot be the owner of an NFL team. But I will check.
Didn't the league force DeBartalo to sell the Niners to his sister, after some legal troubles in Louisiana?
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There is nothing that is going to force Haslam to lose the Browns. At worse his old man or his kid takes over as the "titular" owner of the team.
FYI, I do not believe the NFL has a rule that says that a convicted felon cannot be the owner of an NFL team. But I will check.
Didn't the league force DeBartalo to sell the Niners to his sister, after some legal troubles in Louisiana?
Didn't the league force DeBartalo to sell the Niners to his sister, after some legal troubles in Louisiana?
Actually I think it was his sister that forced him to sell the team to her because of that, not the league. While Eddie Money was suspended, I don't think he was required to divest himself of the team. There may have been some hinky financial dealings with the team that caused the sister to wrest control away from him....but that was basically an internal family situation.
Here is a link to various articles about that.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/edward_j_debartolo_jr/
Now, the NFL can and has directed that an owner divest himself of ownership if his actions are affecting the financial stability of the organization.....can you say Art Modell, and Victor Kiam (and the guy from Philly who was losing millions gambling...Leonard Tose I believe)
But, just having a criminal record...which does not affect team finances? Suspension, yes, probable. Outright divestiture, no.
And even if the NFL did require outright divestiture that doesn't mean things couldn't be turned over to another family member, like DeBartolo to York. Jimma could "give" the team to his dad, son, brother.
The other situation where the NFL has stepped in is where a family has interests in gambling venues. The Steelers were actually owned by like 5 Rooney brothers, and those brothers had ownership interest to race tracks in Tampa....and the NFL demanded that they either divest themselves of the racetrack...or the Steelers. Dan Rooney stepped in basically and bought out his brothers who decided to keep their racetrack. Hell, that is how Haslam became a minority owner of the Steelers. Some of his money was used to pay off the Rooney brothers who were leaving.
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One final thought about The Three Stooge's coaching search- Any reports of anyone else trying to interview McDaniels? All you need to know in my book.
On the level of Walrus bringing in his pals relative to waste two seasons in Cleveland.
Jimmy said it in the exit presser, because the question was asked. Why should we trust you to make the right decisions? Frankly, I don't anymore.
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Ben McAdoo the QB coach for the GB packers is the latest i've heard Via the NFL mobile site. May even be on the desktop site as well, but i haven't checked.
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For the sake of the franchise Jimmy really needs to rethink this FO.
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For the sake of the franchise Jimmy really needs to rethink this FO.
OK, but just like the search for the coach....who would you bring in to run the football operations (i.e. to replace Banner), and to be the GM/Personell guy (to replace Lombardi)
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Tom heckert for the gm.
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For the sake of the franchise Jimmy really needs to rethink this FO.
OK, but just like the search for the coach....who would you bring in to run the football operations (i.e. to replace Banner), and to be the GM/Personell guy (to replace Lombardi)
OK, but just like the search for the coach....who would you bring in to run the football operations (i.e. to replace Banner), and to be the GM/Personnel guy (to replace Lombardi)
Unfortunately Moe Howard and Larry Fine are dead, but they probably couldn't do much worse.
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New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels confirmed he interviewed with the Browns for their head-coaching vacancy this past weekend.
“We met and that’s about all there is at this point,” McDaniels said today during a conference call with reporters who cover the Patriots. “Nothing, nothing further.”
McDaniels, 37, didn’t want to elaborate on his meeting with the Browns.I was offered multiple blow jobs by Lobotomy, and the promise I wound never, ever get fired & $10 million a year regardless of how much I fuck up to drive this train wreck of a franchise further off the cliff.
I would take Malzahn or Franklin over McDaniels. My reasons are numerous but if you really want to hear them I'll oblige.
No thanks to Malzahn. He's going to get an enormous raise from Auburn, and after watching him try to gas Florida State's defense into submission, I have serious doubts it will work in the NFL. It's Chip Kelly cubed.
I was offered multiple blow jobs by Lobotomy, and the promise I wound never, ever get fired & $10 million a year regardless of how much I fuck up to drive this train wreck of a franchise further off the cliff.
No thanks to Malzahn. He's going to get an enormous raise from Auburn, and after watching him try to gas Florida State's defense into submission, I have serious doubts it will work in the NFL. It's Chip Kelly cubed.
And Chip Kelly made it to the playoffs in his first year with a second year QB.
Meanwhile, we won 4 games with two QB's that have 15 years experience combined.
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Didn't the league force DeBartalo to sell the Niners to his sister, after some legal troubles in Louisiana?
Actually I think it was his sister that forced him to sell the team to her because of that, not the league. While Eddie Money was suspended, I don't think he was required to divest himself of the team. There may have been some hinky financial dealings with the team that caused the sister to wrest control away from him....but that was basically an internal family situation.
Here is a link to various articles about that.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/edward_j_debartolo_jr/
Now, the NFL can and has directed that an owner divest himself of ownership if his actions are affecting the financial stability of the organization.....can you say Art Modell, and Victor Kiam (and the guy from Philly who was losing millions gambling...Leonard Tose I believe)
But, just having a criminal record...which does not affect team finances? Suspension, yes, probable. Outright divestiture, no.
And even if the NFL did require outright divestiture that doesn't mean things couldn't be turned over to another family member, like DeBartolo to York. Jimma could "give" the team to his dad, son, brother.
The other situation where the NFL has stepped in is where a family has interests in gambling venues. The Steelers were actually owned by like 5 Rooney brothers, and those brothers had ownership interest to race tracks in Tampa....and the NFL demanded that they either divest themselves of the racetrack...or the Steelers. Dan Rooney stepped in basically and bought out his brothers who decided to keep their racetrack. Hell, that is how Haslam became a minority owner of the Steelers. Some of his money was used to pay off the Rooney brothers who were leaving.
I think browns149 is more correct. the nfl more or less forced Eddie out.Actually I think it was his sister that forced him to sell the team to her because of that, not the league. While Eddie Money was suspended, I don't think he was required to divest himself of the team. There may have been some hinky financial dealings with the team that caused the sister to wrest control away from him....but that was basically an internal family situation.
Here is a link to various articles about that.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/edward_j_debartolo_jr/
Now, the NFL can and has directed that an owner divest himself of ownership if his actions are affecting the financial stability of the organization.....can you say Art Modell, and Victor Kiam (and the guy from Philly who was losing millions gambling...Leonard Tose I believe)
But, just having a criminal record...which does not affect team finances? Suspension, yes, probable. Outright divestiture, no.
And even if the NFL did require outright divestiture that doesn't mean things couldn't be turned over to another family member, like DeBartolo to York. Jimma could "give" the team to his dad, son, brother.
The other situation where the NFL has stepped in is where a family has interests in gambling venues. The Steelers were actually owned by like 5 Rooney brothers, and those brothers had ownership interest to race tracks in Tampa....and the NFL demanded that they either divest themselves of the racetrack...or the Steelers. Dan Rooney stepped in basically and bought out his brothers who decided to keep their racetrack. Hell, that is how Haslam became a minority owner of the Steelers. Some of his money was used to pay off the Rooney brothers who were leaving.
I watched the bio on the nfl network on him a while back and it was acttually an interesting show.
If you want to watch it search the web for "A football life, Eddie DeBartello". Its a long show so it may take a bit to watch.
I remember there was alot more to it than even what your various articles describe.
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For the sake of the franchise Jimmy really needs to rethink this FO.
OK, but just like the search for the coach....who would you bring in to run the football operations (i.e. to replace Banner), and to be the GM/Personell guy (to replace Lombardi)
OK, but just like the search for the coach....who would you bring in to run the football operations (i.e. to replace Banner), and to be the GM/Personell guy (to replace Lombardi)
Omar Kahn= Steelers director of football operations/Cowher's right hand man when it came to player personnel decisions
Eric Decosta = Ravens / Ozzies right hand man since 1996
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I was offered multiple blow jobs by Lobotomy, and the promise I wound never, ever get fired & $10 million a year regardless of how much I fuck up to drive this train wreck of a franchise further off the cliff.
No thanks to Malzahn. He's going to get an enormous raise from Auburn, and after watching him try to gas Florida State's defense into submission, I have serious doubts it will work in the NFL. It's Chip Kelly cubed.
And Chip Kelly made it to the playoffs in his first year with a second year QB.
Meanwhile, we won 4 games with two QB's that have 15 years experience combined.
And Chip Kelly made it to the playoffs in his first year with a second year QB.
Meanwhile, we won 4 games with two QB's that have 15 years experience combined.
Chip Kelly benefited from a weak NFC East and a cupcake schedule overall. The eagles east wins: 2 x Redskins, Cowboys (without Romo), Giants, Bucs, Raiders, Green Bay (without Rodgers). The only decent wins are against the Bears, Lions, and Cardinals (by far the best win). Kelly no doubt had a great first season but I still have my doubts.. This could be a season similar to the Browns in 2007. NFL experience also means nothing when you are talking about a retread QB in Campbell.
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And Chip Kelly made it to the playoffs in his first year with a second year QB.
Meanwhile, we won 4 games with two QB's that have 15 years experience combined.
Chip Kelly benefited from a weak NFC East and a cupcake schedule overall. The eagles east wins: 2 x Redskins, Cowboys (without Romo), Giants, Bucs, Raiders, Green Bay (without Rodgers). The only decent wins are against the Bears, Lions, and Cardinals (by far the best win). Kelly no doubt had a great first season but I still have my doubts.. This could be a season similar to the Browns in 2007. NFL experience also means nothing when you are talking about a retread QB in Campbell.
Chip Kelly benefited from a weak NFC East and a cupcake schedule overall. The eagles east wins: 2 x Redskins, Cowboys (without Romo), Giants, Bucs, Raiders, Green Bay (without Rodgers). The only decent wins are against the Bears, Lions, and Cardinals (by far the best win). Kelly no doubt had a great first season but I still have my doubts.. This could be a season similar to the Browns in 2007. NFL experience also means nothing when you are talking about a retread QB in Campbell.
He also had the second rated offense in the NFL, with the Eagles tallying up over 400 yards and 27 points per game.
The Eagles were a dynamic offense all season long. They dropped 24 on a top 5 Saints defense. They dropped 24 on a top 10 Arizona defense. They dropped 36 on a Top 10 Giants defense.
The Eagles scored 30 or more points on 8 separate occasions. The Browns achieved the same feat only thrice this season.
Everybody claimed Kelly lived and died by having a dual threat QB, yet they made it to the playoffs with a relative statue running the offense in Foles. What Foles was, however, was efficient. No doubt, in part, because of the offensive system Kelly runs. Defenses don't have time to catch up, nor are they disciplined enough to adapt quick enough to the relatively small wrinkles Kelly's system relies on.
While there's no doubt a lack in offensive power in Cleveland in comparison to Philadelphia, Kelly would have managed to win more than 4 games here, no matter how abysmal the defense played.
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I think browns149 is more correct. the nfl more or less forced Eddie out.Actually I think it was his sister that forced him to sell the team to her because of that, not the league. While Eddie Money was suspended, I don't think he was required to divest himself of the team. There may have been some hinky financial dealings with the team that caused the sister to wrest control away from him....but that was basically an internal family situation.
Here is a link to various articles about that.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/edward_j_debartolo_jr/
Now, the NFL can and has directed that an owner divest himself of ownership if his actions are affecting the financial stability of the organization.....can you say Art Modell, and Victor Kiam (and the guy from Philly who was losing millions gambling...Leonard Tose I believe)
But, just having a criminal record...which does not affect team finances? Suspension, yes, probable. Outright divestiture, no.
And even if the NFL did require outright divestiture that doesn't mean things couldn't be turned over to another family member, like DeBartolo to York. Jimma could "give" the team to his dad, son, brother.
The other situation where the NFL has stepped in is where a family has interests in gambling venues. The Steelers were actually owned by like 5 Rooney brothers, and those brothers had ownership interest to race tracks in Tampa....and the NFL demanded that they either divest themselves of the racetrack...or the Steelers. Dan Rooney stepped in basically and bought out his brothers who decided to keep their racetrack. Hell, that is how Haslam became a minority owner of the Steelers. Some of his money was used to pay off the Rooney brothers who were leaving.
I watched the bio on the nfl network on him a while back and it was acttually an interesting show.
If you want to watch it search the web for "A football life, Eddie DeBartello". Its a long show so it may take a bit to watch.
I remember there was alot more to it than even what your various articles describe.
I think browns149 is more correct. the nfl more or less forced Eddie out.
I watched the bio on the nfl network on him a while back and it was acttually an interesting show.
If you want to watch it search the web for "A football life, Eddie DeBartello". Its a long show so it may take a bit to watch.
I remember there was alot more to it than even what your various articles describe.
Search Eddie DeBartolo Jr. and you will see he was intertwined with the Governor of LA. And after years of lawsuits, the NFL MADE him sell out to his sister
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Chip Kelly benefited from a weak NFC East and a cupcake schedule overall. The eagles east wins: 2 x Redskins, Cowboys (without Romo), Giants, Bucs, Raiders, Green Bay (without Rodgers). The only decent wins are against the Bears, Lions, and Cardinals (by far the best win). Kelly no doubt had a great first season but I still have my doubts.. This could be a season similar to the Browns in 2007. NFL experience also means nothing when you are talking about a retread QB in Campbell.
He also had the second rated offense in the NFL, with the Eagles tallying up over 400 yards and 27 points per game.
The Eagles were a dynamic offense all season long. They dropped 24 on a top 5 Saints defense. They dropped 24 on a top 10 Arizona defense. They dropped 36 on a Top 10 Giants defense.
The Eagles scored 30 or more points on 8 separate occasions. The Browns achieved the same feat only thrice this season.
Everybody claimed Kelly lived and died by having a dual threat QB, yet they made it to the playoffs with a relative statue running the offense in Foles. What Foles was, however, was efficient. No doubt, in part, because of the offensive system Kelly runs. Defenses don't have time to catch up, nor are they disciplined enough to adapt quick enough to the relatively small wrinkles Kelly's system relies on.
While there's no doubt a lack in offensive power in Cleveland in comparison to Philadelphia, Kelly would have managed to win more than 4 games here, no matter how abysmal the defense played.
He also had the second rated offense in the NFL, with the Eagles tallying up over 400 yards and 27 points per game.
The Eagles were a dynamic offense all season long. They dropped 24 on a top 5 Saints defense. They dropped 24 on a top 10 Arizona defense. They dropped 36 on a Top 10 Giants defense.
The Eagles scored 30 or more points on 8 separate occasions. The Browns achieved the same feat only thrice this season.
Everybody claimed Kelly lived and died by having a dual threat QB, yet they made it to the playoffs with a relative statue running the offense in Foles. What Foles was, however, was efficient. No doubt, in part, because of the offensive system Kelly runs. Defenses don't have time to catch up, nor are they disciplined enough to adapt quick enough to the relatively small wrinkles Kelly's system relies on.
While there's no doubt a lack in offensive power in Cleveland in comparison to Philadelphia, Kelly would have managed to win more than 4 games here, no matter how abysmal the defense played.
Tell ya what- you put Foles and LeSean McCoy on the Browns and I damn guarantee you Chud wins a hell of lot more than 4 games.
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Starting off your post on a Browns board you lead with " I'm sick of Browns fans" I am sure there are a few that might be sick of you too. The fact some of us think it sucks they fired Chud , or beyond that they simply went against their stance on maintaining continuity through the rebuilding stages, doesn't make us chronic bitches. The thousands of dollars I have spent on the Browns gives me the right to bitch anyway whether you like it or not.
Regarding the new owner sure I am disappointed in him some, he is a criminal that may not even own the team long term. Banner is a bean counter that will fuck a guy in a heartbeat and Lombardi is Lombardi. If Jimmy were so committed to winning and refused to accept mediocrity he would have fired Banner and Lombardi after the season as well.
Regarding McDaniels please by all means build us the case that makes him an attractive head coach candidate. He failed miserably in Denver as a head coach, he failed miserably as an OC in St Louis and only at home with Papa Belichick has he done well. That stands true for most of the spawn of the Belichick tree.
Lastly please elaborate why we shouldn't be hating. What have you seen that brings your love for the current FO and its decisions
Your "thousands of dollars" comment is pointless. If you hate the FO so much, quit giving them your money.
Never said anything about love for the current FO, just some faith and hope. And if u want, I'll make a case for McDaniels... Who can u make a case for?
Blatant hate does nothing but continue to spawn negativity. Maybe trusting our guys and giving them a vote of confidence, around the stadium and in the media, might be a start of something different. Sure, Browns fans are the most passionate in the league, but make a mistake and that passion will be directed at getting your ass fired. Whether your a coach, player, or other... I'm guilty of it too at times, but we need to put ourselves in check sometimes and start rooting for the guys in the positions that can get this thing going... It's easy to assume the worst about everybody that comes here, how about growing a pair and start assuming the best might happen... that takes guts as a fan... I'll quit ranting, just my 2 cents, or "thousands of dollars" worth of thought...
Never said anything about love for the current FO, just some faith and hope. And if u want, I'll make a case for McDaniels... Who can u make a case for?
Well, seeing as the guy you responded to asked you what made McDaniels a good candidate I think, yes, we'd like to see a good argument for him. Go ahead ...
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Were fucked, nobody wants to come herePatriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has withdrawn from consideration for the Cleveland Browns HC job, per a league source.1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico
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