My take on the Head Coach search
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i'll jump on any train in cleveland that has a bar car and leads us to victory.
none of us know what's gonna happen and we're all gonna change our minds a hundred times between now and next may. i'm just REALLY hoping that this FO knows what the fuck they are doing.
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@mike-h said:
Every QB is one hit from being on a stretcher. If that's the only concern you've got, then hop on the Johnny train.
He isn't "small" for his height, definitely built enough to survive.
6'0"-6'1" and 210lbs.
Hoyer is 6'2", 215lbs.
If you have an issue with his size and durability, you have to question Hoyers, who missed most of an NFL season already.
We'll see what Manziel's real measurables are at the combine- assuming he bothers to show up. There's reports he's a couple inches shorter, and about 15 pounds lighter than what you just posted.
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Anything but miller? What about highlife, the champagne of beer?!
Barf. Here's some beer trivia for you- know why Highlife is in clear bottles? The stuff is pasteurized- it's as dead as a doornail, and immune to skunkiness.Of course IMHO it already tastes like skunk piss. Seriously, if my only choice is between Miller Lite and bottled water, I'm taking the water.
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Anything but miller? What about highlife, the champagne of beer?!
Barf. Here's some beer trivia for you- know why Highlife is in clear bottles? The stuff is pasteurized- it's as dead as a doornail, and immune to skunkiness.Of course IMHO it already tastes like skunk piss. Seriously, if my only choice is between Miller Lite and bottled water, I'm taking the water.
Barf. Here's some beer trivia for you- know why Highlife is in clear bottles? The stuff is pasteurized- it's as dead as a doornail, and immune to skunkiness.Of course IMHO it already tastes like skunk piss. Seriously, if my only choice is between Miller Lite and bottled water, I'm taking the water.
Dasani? Deer Park? Evian? Perrier? Silver Spring? Acme brand? Aquafina? Fiji? Mountain Valley? Ozarka? Poland Spring? Arrowhead? Icelandic?
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Manziel has better mobility than Bridgewater, after that every advantage goes to Bridgewater. They're both small, but teddy is a pocket passer who can break down defenses, call audibles and get the ball out quickly. Manziel scrambles around until he has to jump to throw a punt pass to his 6'5" receiver.
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Banner's first coach hire was Ray Rhodes.
Banner's second coach hire was Andy Reid (Reid was a QB Coach under Holmgren).
Banner has a history of hiring young, little known coaches to be his Head Coach and grooming them within the player evaluation system he subscribes to and slowly over time allowing them to gain more and more say so.
Of course this is a history of 1, albeit a very successful 1.
The 2nd time he tried to do this, he failed.
Now he's trying again.
I think he will fail.
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@mike-h said:
Every QB is one hit from being on a stretcher. If that's the only concern you've got, then hop on the Johnny train.
He isn't "small" for his height, definitely built enough to survive.
6'0"-6'1" and 210lbs.
Hoyer is 6'2", 215lbs.
If you have an issue with his size and durability, you have to question Hoyers, who missed most of an NFL season already.
Exactly.
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Well, they either fired the first year coach with:
a. No plan at all
b. A plan, but got turned down
c. A plan to hire the great Josh McDaniels, and are going to wait until after the patriot postseason run to announce it.
Jim-Ban-Bardo look like Retards right now.
And they have 9 potential starters entering free agency this year and next, including 4 Pro Bowlers (Ward, Mack, Haden, Cameron) and five other defensive starters who all rated pretty high in Tony Grossi's year-end player ranking (Rubin, Taylor, Sheard, Skrine, Gipson).
So .. how do we keep these nine guys? How do we attract new guys?
Or are we just going to be the best drafters ever and hire the best "yes man" ever to carry out Banbardi's plan?
Tell me these guys have some sort of plan other than thinking they can just out-draft everybody.
Who follows up a lame duck year with another lame duck year? WHO?
Let's bring another Patriots re-tread (our third in seven years) and roll the dice on another first round QB (our third in 7 years, fourth since 99), upgrade the jumbotron, change the uniforms and ask the fans about their "stadium experience".
Elsewhere in the division, returning for 2014:
Steelers:Rooney's 84th year, GM Colbert 14th year, Coach Tomlin 8th year QB Roethlisberger 10th year
Ravens: Biscotti 14th year, GM Newsome 18th year, Coach Harbaugh 7th year, QB Flacco 7th year
Bungles: Brown's 46th year, GM Mike Brown 23rd year, Coach Lewis 11th year, QB Dalton 4th year
We haven't been out of last place since 2007 ... but I am confident if we keep making changes, eventually we will have more 5-11 seasons than 4-12 seasons.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Well, they either fired the first year coach with:
a. No plan at all
b. A plan, but got turned down
c. A plan to hire the great Josh McDaniels, and are going to wait until after the patriot postseason run to announce it.
Jim-Ban-Bardo look like SUPER Retards right now.
Zombo
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I'm at a loss as to who would even consider taking this job!
Can't come up with even 1 "NAME" coach...college or otherwise who would attach himself to this clusterfuck.
Nope folks we are stuck with another noname coordinator from a loser franchise that Banner
will spin as the next Knute Rockne
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Zombo said:
Well, they either fired the first year coach with:
a. No plan at all
b. A plan, but got turned down
c. A plan to hire the great Josh McDaniels, and are going to wait until after the patriot postseason run to announce it.
Jim-Ban-Bardo look like SUPER Retards right now.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Zombo said:
Well, they either fired the first year coach with:
a. No plan at all
b. A plan, but got turned down
c. A plan to hire the great Josh McDaniels, and are going to wait until after the patriot postseason run to announce it.Jim-Ban-Bardo look like SUPER Retards right now.
Zombo
Option b. it is....
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Back to dominance?? r u 75 years old Mike?
Back to dominance?? r u 75 years old Mike?
Damn near. I'm 67 & the Browns WERE one of the dominant teams in the 50s & 60s......UNTIL Modell. That's when it started downhill. They were also a very entertaining team many years later, but woeful since "the return". It's unfortunate you seem to have no GOOD memories.
Mike...I may be old, but I'm sure as hell not dead!!
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Back to dominance?? r u 75 years old Mike?
Damn near. I'm 67 & the Browns WERE one of the dominant teams in the 50s & 60s......UNTIL Modell. That's when it started downhill. They were also a very entertaining team many years later, but woeful since "the return". It's unfortunate you seem to have no GOOD memories.
Mike...I may be old, but I'm sure as hell not dead!!
Damn near. I'm 67 & the Browns WERE one of the dominant teams in the 50s & 60s......UNTIL Modell. That's when it started downhill. They were also a very entertaining team many years later, but woeful since "the return". It's unfortunate you seem to have no GOOD memories.
Mike...I may be old, but I'm sure as hell not dead!!
Mike your original post was flat out excellent! I wish to god Haslam had to read posts like that.
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Damn near. I'm 67 & the Browns WERE one of the dominant teams in the 50s & 60s......UNTIL Modell. That's when it started downhill. They were also a very entertaining team many years later, but woeful since "the return". It's unfortunate you seem to have no GOOD memories.
Mike...I may be old, but I'm sure as hell not dead!!
Mike your original post was flat out excellent! I wish to god Haslam had to read posts like that.
Mike your original post was flat out excellent! I wish to god Haslam had to read posts like that.
Thank you. It hurt me tremendously, as a Browns' Fan, to write it & I HOPE that Jimmy Haslam either sees it or REALLY listens to other similar points of view. When he first came here, I saw a passion in a Browns' Owner that I hadn't seen for YEARS, but my bubble sure has been burst. Time will tell out of what kind of "STUFF" Jimmy Haslam is made. We'll see.
Thanks again,
Mike
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I see one of two scenarios, both of which are disgusting....
1) McDaniels has already agreed to accept the job & seeming unqualified candidates are being interviewed as a smoke screen to make the ultimate decision of hiring McDaniels look brilliant. This scenario is an insult to my intelligence.
2) McDaniels has said "NO" & these are "panic" interviews because viable candidates, after talking to Chud, Norv, Ray, current players, and/or others in the know, have told the Haslam group they are not interested. This scenario tells me the current FO didn't anticipate possible repercussions from the one year firing of a rookie HC.
IMHO, both scenarios came about due to deceit (Jimmys' pledge to us Fans of continuity), poor decision making (either making a lousy decision hiring Banner, Chud, or both), Banner hiring a totally unqualified Lombardi as GM, & Jimmy, to date, failing to hold Banner & Lombardi responsible for their part in this post season fiasco.
Note to Jimmy Haslam.....You, sir, are dealing with arguably the most passionate Fan base in the NFL. You came with an opportunity to right many wrongs & bring this proud franchise back to dominance. Instead, you now own a franchise mired in distrust, disdain, & lacking the credibility to move forward. Last year, you could sell a FO with vision & a plan. NOW, what can you sell?
I have been a faithful Browns' Fan since the mid 1950s & NEVER thought I would feel compelled to write something like this about the leadership of my beloved Browns.
Jimmy, the above statements are my observations & perceptions. Only you can prove me wrong & I pray that you do, but I guess the key words are, "We'll see".
Mike Flanagan...yes, I've put my real name to it.
Please excuse my signature...It should read, "Yes men are NEVER leaders!"
I see one of two scenarios, both of which are disgusting....
2) McDaniels has said "NO" & these are "panic" interviews because viable candidates, after talking to Chud, Norv, Ray, current players, and/or others in the know, have told the Haslam group they are not interested. This scenario tells me the current FO didn't anticipate possible repercussions from the one year firing of a rookie HC.IMHO, both scenarios came about due to deceit (Jimmys' pledge to us Fans of continuity), poor decision making (either making a lousy decision hiring Banner, Chud, or both), Banner hiring a totally unqualified Lombardi as GM, & Jimmy, to date, failing to hold Banner & Lombardi responsible for their part in this post season fiasco.
Note to Jimmy Haslam.....You, sir, are dealing with arguably the most passionate Fan base in the NFL. You came with an opportunity to right many wrongs & bring this proud franchise back to dominance. Instead, you now own a franchise mired in distrust, disdain, & lacking the credibility to move forward. Last year, you could sell a FO with vision & a plan. NOW, what can you sell?
I have been a faithful Browns' Fan since the mid 1950s & NEVER thought I would feel compelled to write something like this about the leadership of my beloved Browns.
Jimmy, the above statements are my observations & perceptions. Only you can prove me wrong & I pray that you do, but I guess the key words are, "We'll see".
Mike Flanagan...yes, I've put my real name to it.
Please excuse my signature...It should read, "Yes men are NEVER leaders!"
It's now clearly option #2, as McDaniels (wisely) turned them down, and for an added bonus ESPN is reporting Franklin is taking the Penn State job (that will make Zombo very happy). Matzoball isn't leaving Auburn, Lovie Smith signed with Tampa- so where does that leave Jimmy & Company in their Coaching search? Up shit creek without a paddle.
In their infinite wisdom, they don't even want to talk to Tressell or Bob Stoops, so f**k 'em. Wake me up when this nightmare is over.
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@mike-h said:
He can also make more would-be tacklers miss than most.
Any Dipwad that wants to copywrite "Johnny Football" can stay as far away from the Browns as possible. I don't want the RGIII \ Tebow media circus in town thank you very much.
How old are you? He might be Fran Tarkenton, or he might be on a quick trip to a crippling injury. FYI- it only takes one big hit to end your career- just ask Bo Jackson or Ki Jana Carter.
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@mike-h said:
I have a terrible feeling the Browns are going to hire another Shurmur-type, and that will definitely be a disaster that will lose some people their jobs.
Don't know about you- but I questioned the Banner hire, and thought Lombardi was a terrible hire. Hell of it is even if they bring in Shur-loss II, he's going to get more slack than Chud- unless Haslam wises up and decids the whole FO is a POS after yet another 4-12 season and totally blows it up yet again. Welcome to Groundhog Day.
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I really hope we don't have jerry jones 2.0 on our hands. I would still prefer an owner who is too involved than an owner who doesn't give a shit like Lerner. Let's just hope that jimbo gets it right.
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I really hope we don't have jerry jones 2.0 on our hands. I would still prefer an owner who is too involved than an owner who doesn't give a shit like Lerner. Let's just hope that jimbo gets it right.
I really hope we don't have jerry jones 2.0 on our hands. I would still prefer an owner who is too involved than an owner who doesn't give a shit like Lerner. Let's just hope that jimbo gets it right.
I believe in Haslam, if not Banner/Lombardi. He just needs the right people around him to tell him when to reign it in a bit.
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I see Haslam, now, as a corporate bigshot who doesn't see people well. I mean, he's hired
bigshots, promoted people, some of whom are the reasons, allegedly, for the FBI investigation.
And one of them said Haslam KNEW what they were doing.
And now, he hires banner and limpbardi ? Knowing that Limpbardi was not liked nor respected
by players and fans the first time he was in Cleveland?
He's now "knee-jerk jimmy" for this firing of Chud fiasco. You would think Haslam would have
learned from his association with the steelers. But he didn't. Fires Chud after one season?
The squeelers never have done that.
This last firing was the final straw for a lot of great future hcs that might have come to the Browns.
Haslam has now stepped in corporate poop up to his neck. It isn't a company that can simply
dump people at Haslam's whim and fancy and pouting. The NFL is a different deal.
Nobody in the NFL, or college ranks, is going to trust this Browns owner and fo. Nobody.
I can't wait til the Browns lose their first game next year, and the fans start chanting "We want
Chud, We want Chud".
Good grief. What a mess.
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