If Bridgewater and Bortles are gone what do you do?
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I think even Campbell would light the league up again throwing to Watkins and Gordon.
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My problem with Clowney is that he is a proven quiter when he has nothing left to work for. He was the concensous #1 overall player going into the season and he quit on his team. What happens when he gets a big Top 5 contract or what happens if he plays gets his first big FA contract. I see him quitting.
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A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
2. With the talent we have and will add with 40 mill and 10 picks, the Browns won't draft in the top 5 next year and probably not in the top 12. You get your guy when you have the chance, period.
3. You can't WR yourself to great quarterback play. Great quarterbacks make WRs better.
A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
2. With the talent we have and will add with 40 mill and 10 picks, the Browns won't draft in the top 5 next year and probably not in the top 12. You get your guy when you have the chance, period.
3. You can't WR yourself to great quarterback play. Great quarterbacks make WRs better.
That's all well and good but the given scenario is what if the only two QBs worth a first round pick are already gone when the browns pick? Making a thirty pick reach just because it's a QB is pure Retardation. Pick Watkins first then Gilbert or Yankey. In the second take Garoppolo or Manziel (yes I'd rather have Garoppolo than Manziel). BPA from there on out but my point is that reaching for need isn't how good teams draft. "It just isn't done"
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A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
2. With the talent we have and will add with 40 mill and 10 picks, the Browns won't draft in the top 5 next year and probably not in the top 12. You get your guy when you have the chance, period.
3. You can't WR yourself to great quarterback play. Great quarterbacks make WRs better.
That's all well and good but the given scenario is what if the only two QBs worth a first round pick are already gone when the browns pick? Making a thirty pick reach just because it's a QB is pure Retardation. Pick Watkins first then Gilbert or Yankey. In the second take Garoppolo or Manziel (yes I'd rather have Garoppolo than Manziel). BPA from there on out but my point is that reaching for need isn't how good teams draft. "It just isn't done"
That's all well and good but the given scenario is what if the only two QBs worth a first round pick are already gone when the browns pick? Making a thirty pick reach just because it's a QB is pure Retardation. Pick Watkins first then Gilbert or Yankey. In the second take Garoppolo or Manziel (yes I'd rather have Garoppolo than Manziel). BPA from there on out but my point is that reaching for need isn't how good teams draft. "It just isn't done"
Manziel will be and early 1st round pick. ESPN has that ball rolling already. Pesonnally, I can't even think about who to draft until we see what kind of coach we end up with, and I do mean "end up" with.
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He sure will be an early first round pick I just think his selection will be undeserved. Let someone else waste the pick.
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My problem with Clowney is that he is a proven quiter when he has nothing left to work for. He was the concensous #1 overall player going into the season and he quit on his team. What happens when he gets a big Top 5 contract or what happens if he plays gets his first big FA contract. I see him quitting.
My problem with Clowney is that he is a proven quiter when he has nothing left to work for. He was the concensous #1 overall player going into the season and he quit on his team. What happens when he gets a big Top 5 contract or what happens if he plays gets his first big FA contract. I see him quitting.
really? wow. when you have your future agents telling you to sit the whole year out because of what happened to his teammate the year before........he quit on his team. let's see..........millions of dollars and a football career or learning how to walk again?
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that is so terrible
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But with Clowney youd have to really interview and talk and really be sure he is motivated and explain what is at stake here
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there is a reason the guy is slotted as the #1 pick before all the QB talk. he ate up the competition throughout his very limited career SO FAR. sure everyone is going to get that interview. i'm more interested in watching him at the combine and what his #'s are.
a lot of people might rethink picking QBs with their first pick when they see what this monster can do.
i worry about the motivation thing myself but not as a rookie since they have set a rookie scale. you gotta worry when the player's contract is up and they played like superstars, go to FA and get signed for serious loot, only for the guy to say to himself "just got paid, friday night.............."
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So we stayed at 4, top 2 QBs are gone, we need to make a decision at this point on the Manziel and Carr, probably the next 2 QBs in line. It would be hard to pass on Manziel, he would surely be gone by our 2nd pick and sketchy reports on Carr as is, do you go Mettenberger with second pick, possibly. Its a tough call, I would probably at this point go Manziel or Watkins.
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No need to panic.
At #4 you don't reach for a QB that "might" be good. Manziel is not the answer. Great college QB...but a great NFL QB? Methinks not.
There will be an elite player available that fills a glaring need for the Browns. The need: a second wide receiver that can actually CATCH THE BALL. The answer: Sammy Watkins.
If I'm the GM, that's my move.
With the beat-down that Carr has gotten as a result of his bowl game performance he may be available with our 2nd 1st round pick. I'd take him there with the objective of having him sit and learn the NFL game and the Browns' playbook. The Browns have a good QB in Brian Hoyer. He starts, he plays...and with more offensive weapons HE WILL WIN.
2 - OG - Yankey / Jackson
3a - RB - Seastrunk / et.al.
3b - ILB - Christian Jones (good tackling LB that excels as a coverage backer)
4a - CB - Stanley Jean-Baptiste (huge 6-2 220; Joey Browner-like)
4b - TE - Marcel Jensen (6-5 270; good blocker in run game, athletic receiver for his size)
5 - FS - Ty Zimmerman (6-1, 205; first team All Big 12)
6 - FB - JC Copeland (6-0, 270; just a giant FB!)
7 - DT - Shamar Stephen (6-5, 313; from my alma mater)
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i'm not even really sure I give a crap what Clowneys numbers are at the combine, he's field strong as a fuck. Same thing with Werner last year. He put up 25 reps on the 225 which is more than respectable to begin with....but his tape he looked way stronger than that Margus Hunt dude who put up 225 37 times. I think you can train specifically for a lift which is what Hunt did.
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My problem with Clowney is that he is a proven quiter when he has nothing left to work for. He was the concensous #1 overall player going into the season and he quit on his team. What happens when he gets a big Top 5 contract or what happens if he plays gets his first big FA contract. I see him quitting.
My problem with Clowney is that he is a proven quiter when he has nothing left to work for. He was the concensous #1 overall player going into the season and he quit on his team. What happens when he gets a big Top 5 contract or what happens if he plays gets his first big FA contract. I see him quitting.
maybe. Not convinced of that. I think he's one of those guys that could make millions for years to come if he even modestly applies himself to the trade.
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A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
2. With the talent we have and will add with 40 mill and 10 picks, the Browns won't draft in the top 5 next year and probably not in the top 12. You get your guy when you have the chance, period.
3. You can't WR yourself to great quarterback play. Great quarterbacks make WRs better.
A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
2. With the talent we have and will add with 40 mill and 10 picks, the Browns won't draft in the top 5 next year and probably not in the top 12. You get your guy when you have the chance, period.
3. You can't WR yourself to great quarterback play. Great quarterbacks make WRs better.
The only gaping hole is in your logic. You are saying that- the FO hasn't said squat. If they think Hoyer is good enough to hold the fort for a year- and I've come to realize Aaron Rodgers he ain't, they may well wait to draft a qb lower and take a sure thing- a Watkins or Clowney instead.
BTW, if they trade up to take Manziel, I'm done.
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@mike-h said:
I don't see how anyone can make definitive statements right now, lol.
Go watch some tape of Manziel, and give some supporting analysis to back up your empty rhetoric.
My empty rhetoric is Manziel is an injury risk. Clayton on ESPN and a couple others think likewise- so there.
Yeah, he's mobile & fast- and small. So I'll let you comment on how great he is on pre & post snap reads, and reading a defense- which are 10X more important in the pros than running around like Fran Tarkention until one of your receivers break open.
Dude thinks "Johnny Football
" is the way to go. I think the guy saw what RGIII did, and is out to top him in shamelessly prostituting himself in the commercial market. Hint: kid win a few NFL games- before you try shit like that. -
@mike-h said:
I haven't endorsed Johnny, I just think it's dumb to bash him without a reason or analysis. You sir, at least gave a reason.
I posted somewhere else how similar Hoyer and Manziel are body composition-wise. What's your thoughts on that?
I've said elsewhere MHO (and other pro scouts) think Manziel's height and weight are inflated. OK, I'll turn it around, you say you've watched tape (more than I have probably) what exactly in your mind makes him a lock top 10 pick? Scrambling ability and foot speed don't cut it in my book, Mike Vick would be on a short trip to Canton if that were the only criteria.
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The only thing I need to say to knock manziel is that skip bayless loves him.
That's right the same skip bayless who wouldn't stop sucking Tim tebows dick no matter what, the same skip bayless who seemingly doesn't understand that college football and the NFL aren't the same thing, the same skip bayless who will still be sucking Johnny College Football off even after he has proven that his in over his head in the nfl.
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@mike-h said:
I posted somewhere else how similar Hoyer and Manziel are body composition-wise. What's your thoughts on that?
Perfect example, Hoyer is bigger than Johnny College Football (marginally) and doesn't look to run nearly as much as JCF and he still couldn't stay healthy for three games....
Furthermore everyone keeps talking about how arrogant JCF is, now that doesn't particularly bother me, but if he is even half as arrogant as people are saying there is no way that he'll take any direction. That means he'll get to the league ignoring anyone who warns him not to run so much. He'll be all: "I know what I'm doing, I'm Johnny fucking college football!" Then when his knee bends the wrong way in week two we will be all "dammit JFCF why you no listen?!"
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It surely doesn't matter that Manziel and Hoyer are of similar size when only one of them is going to be running round the field like a lunatic?
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@mike-h said:
I posted somewhere else how similar Hoyer and Manziel are body composition-wise. What's your thoughts on that?
Perfect example, Hoyer is bigger than Johnny College Football (marginally) and doesn't look to run nearly as much as JCF and he still couldn't stay healthy for three games....
Furthermore everyone keeps talking about how arrogant JCF is, now that doesn't particularly bother me, but if he is even half as arrogant as people are saying there is no way that he'll take any direction. That means he'll get to the league ignoring anyone who warns him not to run so much. He'll be all: "I know what I'm doing, I'm Johnny fucking college football!" Then when his knee bends the wrong way in week two we will be all "dammit JFCF why you no listen?!"
Perfect example, Hoyer is bigger than Johnny College Football (marginally) and doesn't look to run nearly as much as JCF and he still couldn't stay healthy for three games....
Furthermore everyone keeps talking about how arrogant JCF is, now that doesn't particularly bother me, but if he is even half as arrogant as people are saying there is no way that he'll take any direction. That means he'll get to the league ignoring anyone who warns him not to run so much. He'll be all: "I know what I'm doing, I'm Johnny fucking college football!" Then when his knee bends the wrong way in week two we will be all "dammit JFCF why you no listen?!"
if he shows that same arrogance in the NFL he might as well put a target on his back for all the pass rushers to blast him into the ground or the third row.
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