Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I want Manziel (INSTANT excitement from the Fans) with our 1st pick, BUT with his boom/bust potential, I advocate getting a Garoppollo, McCarron, Mettenberger, etc in the 3rd. I think that insures that we have a roster QB & maybe 2 from this draft. We still have plenty of picks to fill our other needs, & the draft better be good, 'cuz I think the Browns have shot themselves in the foot as far as FA goes.
Again......We'll see.
Mike
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Hey Mike,
I like the idea of drafting a higher boom/bust risk guy with #4 and selecting another QB in with one of our 4th round picks. Bring the two newbs in to compete against Hoyer and another vet and see who is left standing between our 4th round pick and the vet and if that #4 pick can hang beat out Hoyer. Washington did this with RGIII and Cousins and it worked out...well.. it worked out on paper:)
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If your point is Flacco/Romo, it's a weak point. They're the only two starting QB's in the league from non-Division 1 schools.
If your argument is that conference affiliation isn't the end-all, be-all of talent, then it's a stupid one. Of course there are exceptions, as there are in every fact of life. That's just taking a firm stance on a weak point for no reason other than to argue.
NO, you are the one being absurd: Your hypothesis is: take the SEC QB because he has played tougher competition. I am arguing that point vis a vis all other QBs. I am saying if a QB is good, he is good.....he is not good/better just because he played in the SEC
The fact is there are more quarterbacks from power conferences than there are those from mid-level conferences. It's not debatable. It's proven.
I never claimed otherwise....I simply state that power conferences do not have exclusivity on producing NFL caliber QBs....that you CAN get them from other sources.....not that those other sources predominate.
What you are trying to debate, unsuccessfully I may add, is that quarterbacks from mid-major/division 2/division 3 schools are just as successful in the NFL, which is also untrue.
NO, NO, NO. See above....I am saying you have to look at the player. Sure, the more talented players go to power conferences.....but not every single goddamn one does.
You don't have to believe scouts don't look at conference affiliation, but the stats prove that they do:
30 of the 32 starting QB's are from Division 1 schools. 7 of those are from teams affiliated with the SEC, most in the league.
You need to break that down....because that is not what I am coming up with. (Probably due to question of there being several teams who you must ask: who is the starting QB).
Trying to misdirect the conversation to invalidate my facts isn't going to work. We are talking about both college and the pros.
NO, you may be talking about college....I am talking about NFL Quarterbacks.
The fact that the SEC has 3 of the top 5 teams is a valid point, and just because you can't disprove it doesn't mean it's not applicable.
That fact is inapplicable to who are the top prospects to be an NFL QB in this draft?
Bridgewater/Bortles/Carr/Manziel.....only one of them played in the SEC (and that team just joined).
I am saying I don't care what conference these prospects played in....who is going to be a good pro, that is what I want to know.
Hell, beyond those 4 CBS has the next ranked QBs as Carr/Fresno St., Brett Smith/Wyoming, Fales/San Jose St.. then you have Garropolo....and after that some 4-5-6 round prospects from the SEC: Mettenberger/Shaw/McCarron.
With scouting being the in exact science that it is, of course every variable measurable will be included. And one of those variables is conference power. As I've stated before, and most have agreed with except you, if there are two players with similar measurables and similar production, the one from the stronger conference is the better prospect.
Shaw played equally as well, if not better, against higher quality talent throughout the duration of his career.
There's literally zero scouts that have Renner ranked anywhere near Shaw. Shaw is ranked as a top ten at his position, where Renner has trouble cracking Top-20.
Considering their statistics are pretty similar, I wonder what variable they're factoring in.
Well, as noted: I don't even see Renner on the CBS list of QB prospects....but Shaw is in there...ranked 13th best prospect.
All I can conclude is that people think that he must be a better QB prospect.....because he is a better QB prospect, not because he played in the SEC....or else they would have ranked him higher than Fales/Smith etc.
So...by those CBS analysts opionion....things are not similar/equal vis a vis Shaw/Renner.
(And don't rely just on "statistics" Anthony Calvillo has 80,000 passing yards in the CFL....do you think he ranks with Favre/Manning/Brady on the QB scale?) No.
Renner is at #23
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haha, awesome! Interesting personality shift going from coaching Kurt Warner to Johnny Football haha (granted a few years ago) but I like both Kenny the Hut and Johnny Football, think of all the nicknames and memes.
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Am I missing something????Thought you couldn't interview coaches from teams still in the playoffs???
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Am I missing something????Thought you couldn't interview coaches from teams still in the playoffs???
Am I missing something????Thought you couldn't interview coaches from teams still in the playoffs???
You can do it with the team's permission I believe.
Looks like he has three interviews lined up this week ... Tits today, Lions tomorrow, us on Saturday.
If I was the Chargers HC or Owner, that wouldn't sit well with me.
Zombo
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Am I missing something????Thought you couldn't interview coaches from teams still in the playoffs???
You can do it with the team's permission I believe.
Looks like he has three interviews lined up this week ... Tits today, Lions tomorrow, us on Saturday.
If I was the Chargers HC or Owner, that wouldn't sit well with me.
Zombo
Zombo said:
If I was the Chargers HC or Owner, that wouldn't sit well with me.
Zombo
Trust me Mr.Spanos...I'll been in Denver in plenty off time to catch the second half
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They can interview but can not be hired until the season is over. I agree Zombo that seems like a bit of a distraction going the biggest game in SD since the LT days...
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Hey Mike,
I like the idea of drafting a higher boom/bust risk guy with #4 and selecting another QB in with one of our 4th round picks. Bring the two newbs in to compete against Hoyer and another vet and see who is left standing between our 4th round pick and the vet and if that #4 pick can hang beat out Hoyer. Washington did this with RGIII and Cousins and it worked out...well.. it worked out on paper:)
Hey Mike,
I like the idea of drafting a higher boom/bust risk guy with #4 and selecting another QB in with one of our 4th round picks. Bring the two newbs in to compete against Hoyer and another vet and see who is left standing between our 4th round pick and the vet and if that #4 pick can hang beat out Hoyer. Washington did this with RGIII and Cousins and it worked out...well.. it worked out on paper:)
The RG3/Cousins comparison is quite apt if we go with Manziel.
I think Manziel/Garopollo would be a very similar situation. One QB who is a complete athlete and then a late round prospect who is technically sound.
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get Watkins at 4, trade down the 2nd 1st rounder for a top 10-15 pick for a qb.
Sammy is a sure thing, unlike every QB being touted in this draft as "1st round quality"
waiting for the qb even past round one sounds cool with me, get the fucking team better. Still multiple holes to fill -
Manziel's gonna be better than Romo but I would love to have Tony throwing to Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron, with a top 5 defense. You'd be insane not to.
Manziel's gonna be better than Romo but I would love to have Tony throwing to Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron, with a top 5 defense. You'd be insane not to.
What we know for sure though is Romo will be Romo and Manziel will be ??????? who the hell knows how his game will really translate. I also would trade picks with them and take Romo in a heartbeat.
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It is January 9th and I am stating TAKE JOHNNY FOOTBALL
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RGIII had a good first year...hurt in his second...it seems like everyone is killing him for this...but Brady was out a year..peyton out a year...arron Rodgers was out half this year...
Almost every QB gets hurt...almost everyone gets hurt period...
If he is drafted and taught well, and I hear he is a student of the game and listens and prepares like crazy...why cant he do great?
I think he is definatley worth a shot...hell it cant be any worse...I would just for once like to see the Browns with the running QB and the "lucky" guy.
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I heard where Nick Saban said Manziel was much better this year than last against Bama.
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I was not on his band wagon at first, but now seeing as this JOKE of a FO can't get a coach.
I WANT JOHNNY FOOTBALL......................
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Romo = NOTHING
he has never won shit
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