If Bridgewater and Bortles are gone what do you do?
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My problem with Clowney is that he is a proven quiter when he has nothing left to work for. He was the concensous #1 overall player going into the season and he quit on his team. What happens when he gets a big Top 5 contract or what happens if he plays gets his first big FA contract. I see him quitting.
My problem with Clowney is that he is a proven quiter when he has nothing left to work for. He was the concensous #1 overall player going into the season and he quit on his team. What happens when he gets a big Top 5 contract or what happens if he plays gets his first big FA contract. I see him quitting.
maybe. Not convinced of that. I think he's one of those guys that could make millions for years to come if he even modestly applies himself to the trade.
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A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
2. With the talent we have and will add with 40 mill and 10 picks, the Browns won't draft in the top 5 next year and probably not in the top 12. You get your guy when you have the chance, period.
3. You can't WR yourself to great quarterback play. Great quarterbacks make WRs better.
A couple things you can count on:
1. Browns next pick will be a QB. #4 overall or #1 overall, can't say. But they won't go into the draft with a top five pick and a gaping hole at QB and decide to wait. It just isn't done.
2. With the talent we have and will add with 40 mill and 10 picks, the Browns won't draft in the top 5 next year and probably not in the top 12. You get your guy when you have the chance, period.
3. You can't WR yourself to great quarterback play. Great quarterbacks make WRs better.
The only gaping hole is in your logic. You are saying that- the FO hasn't said squat. If they think Hoyer is good enough to hold the fort for a year- and I've come to realize Aaron Rodgers he ain't, they may well wait to draft a qb lower and take a sure thing- a Watkins or Clowney instead.
BTW, if they trade up to take Manziel, I'm done.
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@mike-h said:
I don't see how anyone can make definitive statements right now, lol.
Go watch some tape of Manziel, and give some supporting analysis to back up your empty rhetoric.
My empty rhetoric is Manziel is an injury risk. Clayton on ESPN and a couple others think likewise- so there.
Yeah, he's mobile & fast- and small. So I'll let you comment on how great he is on pre & post snap reads, and reading a defense- which are 10X more important in the pros than running around like Fran Tarkention until one of your receivers break open.
Dude thinks "Johnny Football
" is the way to go. I think the guy saw what RGIII did, and is out to top him in shamelessly prostituting himself in the commercial market. Hint: kid win a few NFL games- before you try shit like that. -
@mike-h said:
I haven't endorsed Johnny, I just think it's dumb to bash him without a reason or analysis. You sir, at least gave a reason.
I posted somewhere else how similar Hoyer and Manziel are body composition-wise. What's your thoughts on that?
I've said elsewhere MHO (and other pro scouts) think Manziel's height and weight are inflated. OK, I'll turn it around, you say you've watched tape (more than I have probably) what exactly in your mind makes him a lock top 10 pick? Scrambling ability and foot speed don't cut it in my book, Mike Vick would be on a short trip to Canton if that were the only criteria.
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The only thing I need to say to knock manziel is that skip bayless loves him.
That's right the same skip bayless who wouldn't stop sucking Tim tebows dick no matter what, the same skip bayless who seemingly doesn't understand that college football and the NFL aren't the same thing, the same skip bayless who will still be sucking Johnny College Football off even after he has proven that his in over his head in the nfl.
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@mike-h said:
I posted somewhere else how similar Hoyer and Manziel are body composition-wise. What's your thoughts on that?
Perfect example, Hoyer is bigger than Johnny College Football (marginally) and doesn't look to run nearly as much as JCF and he still couldn't stay healthy for three games....
Furthermore everyone keeps talking about how arrogant JCF is, now that doesn't particularly bother me, but if he is even half as arrogant as people are saying there is no way that he'll take any direction. That means he'll get to the league ignoring anyone who warns him not to run so much. He'll be all: "I know what I'm doing, I'm Johnny fucking college football!" Then when his knee bends the wrong way in week two we will be all "dammit JFCF why you no listen?!"
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It surely doesn't matter that Manziel and Hoyer are of similar size when only one of them is going to be running round the field like a lunatic?
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@mike-h said:
I posted somewhere else how similar Hoyer and Manziel are body composition-wise. What's your thoughts on that?
Perfect example, Hoyer is bigger than Johnny College Football (marginally) and doesn't look to run nearly as much as JCF and he still couldn't stay healthy for three games....
Furthermore everyone keeps talking about how arrogant JCF is, now that doesn't particularly bother me, but if he is even half as arrogant as people are saying there is no way that he'll take any direction. That means he'll get to the league ignoring anyone who warns him not to run so much. He'll be all: "I know what I'm doing, I'm Johnny fucking college football!" Then when his knee bends the wrong way in week two we will be all "dammit JFCF why you no listen?!"
Perfect example, Hoyer is bigger than Johnny College Football (marginally) and doesn't look to run nearly as much as JCF and he still couldn't stay healthy for three games....
Furthermore everyone keeps talking about how arrogant JCF is, now that doesn't particularly bother me, but if he is even half as arrogant as people are saying there is no way that he'll take any direction. That means he'll get to the league ignoring anyone who warns him not to run so much. He'll be all: "I know what I'm doing, I'm Johnny fucking college football!" Then when his knee bends the wrong way in week two we will be all "dammit JFCF why you no listen?!"
if he shows that same arrogance in the NFL he might as well put a target on his back for all the pass rushers to blast him into the ground or the third row.
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My problem with Clowney is that he is a proven quiter when he has nothing left to work for. He was the concensous #1 overall player going into the season and he quit on his team. What happens when he gets a big Top 5 contract or what happens if he plays gets his first big FA contract. I see him quitting.
My problem with Clowney is that he is a proven quiter when he has nothing left to work for. He was the concensous #1 overall player going into the season and he quit on his team. What happens when he gets a big Top 5 contract or what happens if he plays gets his first big FA contract. I see him quitting.
If you didn't actually watch the games, it's not a fair assessment to claim he quit on his team.
He was double teamed nearly the entire season. After the season he had last year, do you think opposing OC's wouldn't double team him?
This BS about him quitting is just that...BS.
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OK so I've come up with a couple of scenarios depending on the way you might want to go with the draft. Each is assuming sticking with the 3-4 defense until we know otherwise.
The "Get a QB early" scenario - including picking up a CB in FA:
1a: JFF - QB
1b: Odell Beckham - WR - excellent (massive) hands, lightning quick, big play threat.
2 - best OG there - Yankey maybe, Richardson - for obvious reasons
3a: Shayne Skov - ILB - might not be available here if he tests well but looks like he'll be a very good player
3b: Carlos Hyde - RB - we need a big between the tackles RB and Hyde represents value here
4a: Marcel Jensen - TE - a big guy who can catch and block, providing depths at TE
4b: Yahwin Smallwood - ILB - ILB depth, especially needed if DQJ is allowed to leave
The "Make the old men happy" mock - Hoyer as starting QB
1a: Jake Matthews, OT - Moving Schwartz inside to RG, shore up the OL
1b: Justin Gilbert, CB - Skrine came on a lot but is just too short for outside corner. Move him inside and put the 6'1 gilbert outside, giving us an elite backfield
2: Jordan Matthews - WR - there's any number of WRs who should be available here and represent similar value. pick your favourite
3a: Shayne Skov - ILB - Again - I'm big on this guy...
3b: A.J.McCarron - we 'game manage' our way to 11-5 seasons like the chiefs and bengals before flaming out in the playoffs
4a: Jordan Zumwalt - OLB - We need another pass rusher, and he's had a solid season, played well (better than Barr) in the bowl
4b: Tyler Larsen - C - More OL depth, solid enough player.
The "Let's make our defense elite" draft: - hoyer starts again
1a: Clowney - he's a beast, but will he convert to 3-4 OLB? Or 3-4 DE?
1b: Ryan Shazier - ILB
2: Bradley roby - CB
3a: Zach Mettenburger, QB
3b: Brandon Coleman, WR
4a: De'Anthony Thomas, RB
4b: Smallwood, ILB, Again
Beyond the 4th, you're looking at upside, not people who can contribute right away, so the position doesn't matter too much
5: Aaron Murray, QB - if we're cutting campbell and weeden we'll need another QB from somewhere
6: Taylor Hart, DE - backup, big guy with potential
7: Some kid with character concerns but big upside - see Billy Winn, Armonty Bryant
So it really depends what you want to do. There's also a mock with Watkins first, but I can't be bothered to flesh it out.
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