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  • jrb12711J jrb12711

    You morons crack me up. Multiple people have been on record saying Manziel was a professional and won't scare anyone away during the interviews. The guy is a young man who partied more than she should have. All the while on game day he was carving up defenses and setting records against the best conference in America. But all means, let's draft a guard and take another slow thinking high character guy like McCoy who sucks. You can quote me that everyone who doesn't draft this kid will be pissed. I could care the fuck less how he acts, if he is throwing TD passes he can snort coke for all I care.

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    @jrb12711 said:

    You morons crack me up. Multiple people have been on record saying Manziel was a professional and won't scare anyone away during the interviews. The guy is a young man who partied more than she should have. All the while on game day he was carving up defenses and setting records against the best conference in America. But all means, let's draft a guard and take another slow thinking high character guy like McCoy who sucks. You can quote me that everyone who doesn't draft this kid will be pissed. I could care the fuck less how he acts, if he is throwing TD passes he can snort coke for all I care.

    Most intelligent post of this thread and I agree...

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      @lbc-mike said:

      If Manziel gets drafted he will party like a rock star he is and totally fuck his life up and us if we draft him. The guys has a known party/drinking issue that even his dad made an issue about.

      Sounds like a guy I want hanging around Josh Gordon for sure. Yeaaaaaa.

      U know what? What an absolute brilliant realization. Who would everyone want hanging out with JC?

      Manzel

      McCarran

      Bridgewater

      Hoyer

      For me it has to be Manzel Google his photos. He is out every night drinking partying living it up. Fuck staying late and workin on routes and shit josh. I know a guy that can........ Boy I can't wait for this kid!!!

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      @cdl15 said:

      Sounds like a guy I want hanging around Josh Gordon for sure. Yeaaaaaa.

      U know what? What an absolute brilliant realization. Who would everyone want hanging out with JC?

      Manzel

      McCarran

      Bridgewater

      Hoyer

      For me it has to be Manzel Google his photos. He is out every night drinking partying living it up. Fuck staying late and workin on routes and shit josh. I know a guy that can........ Boy I can't wait for this kid!!!

      I agree to a point. people say "yea but every college aged kid parties you naive SOBs"

      Yea but most college kids aren't lined up to be a multi million dollar professional athlete. If I was in that position, you think I'd get disorderly conducts and blackout weekly? Hell no.

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      • Canton MikeC Canton Mike

        Oh, THAT's bright. We'd get a lot out of that trade wouldn't we? I certainly hope you're joking as no REAL Browns' Fan would make such a stupid statement!

        Mike

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        @canton-mike said:

        Oh, THAT's bright. We'd get a lot out of that trade wouldn't we? I certainly hope you're joking as no REAL Browns' Fan would make such a stupid statement!

        Mike

        Hell, if Johnny Football is 1\2 as good as he thinks he is- the Colts trade us Andrew Luck and multiple first round picks.

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        • jrb12711J jrb12711

          You morons crack me up. Multiple people have been on record saying Manziel was a professional and won't scare anyone away during the interviews. The guy is a young man who partied more than she should have. All the while on game day he was carving up defenses and setting records against the best conference in America. But all means, let's draft a guard and take another slow thinking high character guy like McCoy who sucks. You can quote me that everyone who doesn't draft this kid will be pissed. I could care the fuck less how he acts, if he is throwing TD passes he can snort coke for all I care.

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          miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by miktoxic
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          @jrb12711 said:

          You morons crack me up. Multiple people have been on record saying Manziel was a professional and won't scare anyone away during the interviews. The guy is a young man who partied more than she should have. All the while on game day he was carving up defenses and setting records against the best conference in America. But all means, let's draft a guard and take another slow thinking high character guy like McCoy who sucks. You can quote me that everyone who doesn't draft this kid will be pissed. I could care the fuck less how he acts, if he is throwing TD passes he can snort coke for all I care.

          nice typo.

          do you know something we don't? the fist chick with a dick get's picked by the cleveland browns! ha! can it get any worse??

          @nickers said:

          Most intelligent post of this thread and I agree...

          bullshit. you 2 belong together. or why not you 2 start the cleveland chapter of the johnny football fan club? have your own website where you can sell such items as the johnny football bobble head, his jacksonville jersey, a 5'11' to scale blowup sex doll of johnny football, a johnny football replica penis, the johnny football endorsed red, white and blue beer, the replica jaguar helmet/mug holder and the johnny manziel signed box of swizzle sticks.

          and make sure you donate all your proceeds to the johnny football 'walk again' fund.

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            Flyin JF Flyin J wrote on last edited by
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            I bet tom Brady never drank in college....give me a freakin break. Paparazzi need to get off his nuts imo.

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            • jrb12711J jrb12711

              You morons crack me up. Multiple people have been on record saying Manziel was a professional and won't scare anyone away during the interviews. The guy is a young man who partied more than she should have. All the while on game day he was carving up defenses and setting records against the best conference in America. But all means, let's draft a guard and take another slow thinking high character guy like McCoy who sucks. You can quote me that everyone who doesn't draft this kid will be pissed. I could care the fuck less how he acts, if he is throwing TD passes he can snort coke for all I care.

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              J jeffinwv wrote on last edited by
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              @jrb12711 said:

              You morons crack me up. Multiple people have been on record saying Manziel was a professional and won't scare anyone away during the interviews. The guy is a young man who partied more than she should have. All the while on game day he was carving up defenses and setting records against the best conference in America. But all means, let's draft a guard and take another slow thinking high character guy like McCoy who sucks. You can quote me that everyone who doesn't draft this kid will be pissed. I could care the fuck less how he acts, if he is throwing TD passes he can snort coke for all I care.

              I agree

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                I'm on record for questioning JCF's ability to transition to the NFL but the last thing I'm worried about is his taste for alcohol. By many accounts Favre was shit faced all the time, and it's not like he couldn't afford it so who cares. Until it turns into an on the field problem he can suck off 30 hobos with bleeding dicks for all I care...

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                  @jrb12711 said:

                  You morons crack me up. Multiple people have been on record saying Manziel was a professional and won't scare anyone away during the interviews. The guy is a young man who partied more than she should have. All the while on game day he was carving up defenses and setting records against the best conference in America. But all means, let's draft a guard and take another slow thinking high character guy like McCoy who sucks. You can quote me that everyone who doesn't draft this kid will be pissed. I could care the fuck less how he acts, if he is throwing TD passes he can snort coke for all I care.

                  nice typo.

                  do you know something we don't? the fist chick with a dick get's picked by the cleveland browns! ha! can it get any worse??

                  @nickers said:

                  Most intelligent post of this thread and I agree...

                  bullshit. you 2 belong together. or why not you 2 start the cleveland chapter of the johnny football fan club? have your own website where you can sell such items as the johnny football bobble head, his jacksonville jersey, a 5'11' to scale blowup sex doll of johnny football, a johnny football replica penis, the johnny football endorsed red, white and blue beer, the replica jaguar helmet/mug holder and the johnny manziel signed box of swizzle sticks.

                  and make sure you donate all your proceeds to the johnny football 'walk again' fund.

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                  jrb12711J jrb12711 wrote on last edited by
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                  @miktoxic said:

                  bullshit. you 2 belong together. or why not you 2 start the cleveland chapter of the johnny football fan club? have your own website where you can sell such items as the johnny football bobble head, his jacksonville jersey, a 5'11' to scale blowup sex doll of johnny football, a johnny football replica penis, the johnny football endorsed red, white and blue beer, the replica jaguar helmet/mug holder and the johnny manziel signed box of swizzle sticks.

                  and make sure you donate all your proceeds to the johnny football 'walk again' fund.

                  I'll make my point one more time. Manziel through his play and stats had arguably one of the best careers all around in recent memory at the QB position. Pro organizations aren't stupid, they see that the read-option is getting QB's killed when ran consistently. What Manziel has shown is he's a special athlete behind center. That doesn't mean he's going to run around and get killed in the NFL, it shows he can do what Wilson does, what Newton does etc. He's not going to crumple like old man Weeden or the other duds we've had back under there. You can say whatever you want, but it's plain to see Manziel is going to be a franchise player in the NFL. You can call me gay for him all you want, but I just want to see a damn franchise QB in Cleveland.

                  We don't need a guard, we don't a CB, we need a QB who isn't a slow-thinking moron. Look at the the playoff teams and look at the top 10 teams who are drafting. come May. Some playoff teams have good defenses, some don't. Some bad teams have 3-5 pro bowlers (see our Brownies), some good teams have one or two. The common theme? Playoff teams have franchise QB's and crappy teams don't. The thought of taking a OL guy early and taking another later round QB literally makes me cringe. The Browns will be losers until they have draft the next elite guy, period. I'm willing to bet the nicest 12 pack you know that Manziel will be that guy for a team. I just hope the Browns don't miss him.

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                    @lbc-mike said:

                    If Manziel gets drafted he will party like a rock star he is and totally fuck his life up and us if we draft him. The guys has a known party/drinking issue that even his dad made an issue about.

                    Sounds like a guy I want hanging around Josh Gordon for sure. Yeaaaaaa.

                    U know what? What an absolute brilliant realization. Who would everyone want hanging out with JC?

                    Manzel

                    McCarran

                    Bridgewater

                    Hoyer

                    For me it has to be Manzel Google his photos. He is out every night drinking partying living it up. Fuck staying late and workin on routes and shit josh. I know a guy that can........ Boy I can't wait for this kid!!!

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                    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on last edited by
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                    @cdl15 said:

                    Sounds like a guy I want hanging around Josh Gordon for sure. Yeaaaaaa.

                    U know what? What an absolute brilliant realization. Who would everyone want hanging out with JC?

                    Manzel

                    McCarran

                    Bridgewater

                    Hoyer

                    For me it has to be Manzel Google his photos. He is out every night drinking partying living it up. Fuck staying late and workin on routes and shit josh. I know a guy that can........ Boy I can't wait for this kid!!!

                    Nothing you say ever makes sense.

                    Ever.

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                    • jrb12711J jrb12711

                      @miktoxic said:

                      bullshit. you 2 belong together. or why not you 2 start the cleveland chapter of the johnny football fan club? have your own website where you can sell such items as the johnny football bobble head, his jacksonville jersey, a 5'11' to scale blowup sex doll of johnny football, a johnny football replica penis, the johnny football endorsed red, white and blue beer, the replica jaguar helmet/mug holder and the johnny manziel signed box of swizzle sticks.

                      and make sure you donate all your proceeds to the johnny football 'walk again' fund.

                      I'll make my point one more time. Manziel through his play and stats had arguably one of the best careers all around in recent memory at the QB position. Pro organizations aren't stupid, they see that the read-option is getting QB's killed when ran consistently. What Manziel has shown is he's a special athlete behind center. That doesn't mean he's going to run around and get killed in the NFL, it shows he can do what Wilson does, what Newton does etc. He's not going to crumple like old man Weeden or the other duds we've had back under there. You can say whatever you want, but it's plain to see Manziel is going to be a franchise player in the NFL. You can call me gay for him all you want, but I just want to see a damn franchise QB in Cleveland.

                      We don't need a guard, we don't a CB, we need a QB who isn't a slow-thinking moron. Look at the the playoff teams and look at the top 10 teams who are drafting. come May. Some playoff teams have good defenses, some don't. Some bad teams have 3-5 pro bowlers (see our Brownies), some good teams have one or two. The common theme? Playoff teams have franchise QB's and crappy teams don't. The thought of taking a OL guy early and taking another later round QB literally makes me cringe. The Browns will be losers until they have draft the next elite guy, period. I'm willing to bet the nicest 12 pack you know that Manziel will be that guy for a team. I just hope the Browns don't miss him.

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                      miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by miktoxic
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                      @jrb12711 said:

                      We don't need a guard, we don't a CB, we need a QB who isn't a slow-thinking moron.

                      so you'll just disregard what hoyer did, who wasn't the slo-thinking moron we all know who you're talking about? what, draft one of these guys and have them start right out of the gate or do you have them sit?

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                        @jrb12711 said:

                        We don't need a guard, we don't a CB, we need a QB who isn't a slow-thinking moron.

                        so you'll just disregard what hoyer did, who wasn't the slo-thinking moron we all know who you're talking about? what, draft one of these guys and have them start right out of the gate or do you have them sit?

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                        Flyin JF Flyin J wrote on last edited by
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                        @miktoxic said:

                        so you'll just disregard what hoyer did, who wasn't the slo-thinking moron we all know who you're talking about? what, draft one of these guys and have them start right out of the gate or do you have them sit?

                        Its a training camp battle. If Hoyer outplays the rook then he starts. If we dont get our guy this year, were essentially putting the next 2 seasons in Hoyers hands because he'll either be battling a rook next year or on a different team. We aren't really contenders with a rook starting either IMO. Are you that confident in Hoyer....I ain't.
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                          @miktoxic said:

                          bullshit. you 2 belong together. or why not you 2 start the cleveland chapter of the johnny football fan club? have your own website where you can sell such items as the johnny football bobble head, his jacksonville jersey, a 5'11' to scale blowup sex doll of johnny football, a johnny football replica penis, the johnny football endorsed red, white and blue beer, the replica jaguar helmet/mug holder and the johnny manziel signed box of swizzle sticks.

                          and make sure you donate all your proceeds to the johnny football 'walk again' fund.

                          I'll make my point one more time. Manziel through his play and stats had arguably one of the best careers all around in recent memory at the QB position. Pro organizations aren't stupid, they see that the read-option is getting QB's killed when ran consistently. What Manziel has shown is he's a special athlete behind center. That doesn't mean he's going to run around and get killed in the NFL, it shows he can do what Wilson does, what Newton does etc. He's not going to crumple like old man Weeden or the other duds we've had back under there. You can say whatever you want, but it's plain to see Manziel is going to be a franchise player in the NFL. You can call me gay for him all you want, but I just want to see a damn franchise QB in Cleveland.

                          We don't need a guard, we don't a CB, we need a QB who isn't a slow-thinking moron. Look at the the playoff teams and look at the top 10 teams who are drafting. come May. Some playoff teams have good defenses, some don't. Some bad teams have 3-5 pro bowlers (see our Brownies), some good teams have one or two. The common theme? Playoff teams have franchise QB's and crappy teams don't. The thought of taking a OL guy early and taking another later round QB literally makes me cringe. The Browns will be losers until they have draft the next elite guy, period. I'm willing to bet the nicest 12 pack you know that Manziel will be that guy for a team. I just hope the Browns don't miss him.

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                          @jrb12711 said:

                          You can say whatever you want, but it's plain to see Manziel is going to be a franchise player in the NFL. You can call me gay for him all you want, but I just want to see a damn franchise QB in Cleveland.

                          This from the guy who said of the former FO's drafting Wheezy, "They upgraded (the QB) position with a top ten caliber QB talent."

                          http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=22769&view=findpost&p=286228

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                            If Manziel is there how can you pass on him?We need QB and heres A Heisman winner with great stats and playmaking ability...What are you wainting for if you pass on him? and how bad does your team gotta be to get this guy your after?

                            Colts got Luck but they went 1-15 to get him.You wanna do that?Our awful season is behind us...get something out of it!

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                              If Manziel is there how can you pass on him?We need QB and heres A Heisman winner with great stats and playmaking ability...What are you wainting for if you pass on him? and how bad does your team gotta be to get this guy your after?

                              Colts got Luck but they went 1-15 to get him.You wanna do that?Our awful season is behind us...get something out of it!

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                              cdl15C cdl15 wrote on last edited by cdl15
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                              @jeffinwv said:

                              If Manziel is there how can you pass on him?We need QB and heres A Heisman winner with great stats and playmaking ability...What are you wainting for if you pass on him? and how bad does your team gotta be to get this guy your after?

                              Colts got Luck but they went 1-15 to get him.You wanna do that?Our awful season is behind us...get something out of it!

                              And if they miss??? Colts were better than a 1-15 team too.

                              "We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever.
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                                @jeffinwv said:

                                If Manziel is there how can you pass on him?We need QB and heres A Heisman winner with great stats and playmaking ability...What are you wainting for if you pass on him? and how bad does your team gotta be to get this guy your after?

                                Colts got Luck but they went 1-15 to get him.You wanna do that?Our awful season is behind us...get something out of it!

                                And if they miss??? Colts were better than a 1-15 team too.

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                                And if they miss??? Colts were better than a 1-15 team too.

                                Then we swing again next year.
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                                  And if they miss??? Colts were better than a 1-15 team too.

                                  Then we swing again next year.
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                                  XxDaBuckeyexX said:

                                  Then we swing again next year.

                                  Thats the problem. U can't do that. This FO is way to smart for that right?

                                  "We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever.
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                                    The problem is that we keep missing.

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                                      If Manziel is there how can you pass on him?We need QB and heres A Heisman winner with great stats and playmaking ability...What are you wainting for if you pass on him? and how bad does your team gotta be to get this guy your after?

                                      Colts got Luck but they went 1-15 to get him.You wanna do that?Our awful season is behind us...get something out of it!

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                                      @jeffinwv said:

                                      If Manziel is there how can you pass on him?We need QB and heres A Heisman winner with great stats and playmaking ability...What are you wainting for if you pass on him? and how bad does your team gotta be to get this guy your after?

                                      Colts got Luck but they went 1-15 to get him.You wanna do that?Our awful season is behind us...get something out of it!

                                      There's been only one Heisman Trophy winning QB to win a playoff game in the last 15 years.

                                      His name is Timothy Tebow.

                                      The Heisman means nothing.

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                                        If Manziel is there how can you pass on him?We need QB and heres A Heisman winner with great stats and playmaking ability...What are you wainting for if you pass on him? and how bad does your team gotta be to get this guy your after?

                                        Colts got Luck but they went 1-15 to get him.You wanna do that?Our awful season is behind us...get something out of it!

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                                        miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by miktoxic
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                                        @jeffinwv said:

                                        If Manziel is there how can you pass on him?We need QB and heres A Heisman winner with great stats and playmaking ability...What are you wainting for if you pass on him? and how bad does your team gotta be to get this guy your after?

                                        Colts got Luck but they went 1-15 to get him.You wanna do that?Our awful season is behind us...get something out of it!

                                        you know why? because there might be a DE sitting there as well who would upgrade our pass rush 3-fold.

                                        OR

                                        there could be a game changing WR sitting there that would give us a serious WR upgrade so not every defensive backfield would be keying on gordon.

                                        not everybody thinks the same. for every johnny manziel fan or bridgewater fan, there is a clowney and a watkins fan. hell there are people that think it'd be great to take a trade deal that comes across our desk to switch 2 spots so they can pick up one of these guys everybody is in love with and STILL get someone on our board plus another #1 pick for next year, cuz even with manziel or any of these other guys at QB we're still be lucky to go 8 and 8.

                                        now if you were willing to bet and say if we got manziel we'd be an instant playoff team........i'd take that bet.

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                                          @jeffinwv said:

                                          If Manziel is there how can you pass on him?We need QB and heres A Heisman winner with great stats and playmaking ability...What are you wainting for if you pass on him? and how bad does your team gotta be to get this guy your after?

                                          Colts got Luck but they went 1-15 to get him.You wanna do that?Our awful season is behind us...get something out of it!

                                          you know why? because there might be a DE sitting there as well who would upgrade our pass rush 3-fold.

                                          OR

                                          there could be a game changing WR sitting there that would give us a serious WR upgrade so not every defensive backfield would be keying on gordon.

                                          not everybody thinks the same. for every johnny manziel fan or bridgewater fan, there is a clowney and a watkins fan. hell there are people that think it'd be great to take a trade deal that comes across our desk to switch 2 spots so they can pick up one of these guys everybody is in love with and STILL get someone on our board plus another #1 pick for next year, cuz even with manziel or any of these other guys at QB we're still be lucky to go 8 and 8.

                                          now if you were willing to bet and say if we got manziel we'd be an instant playoff team........i'd take that bet.

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                                          @miktoxic said:

                                          you know why? because there might be a DE sitting there as well who would upgrade our pass rush 3-fold.

                                          OR

                                          there could be a game changing WR sitting there that would give us a serious WR upgrade so not every defensive backfield would be keying on gordon.

                                          not everybody thinks the same. for every johnny manziel fan or bridgewater fan, there is a clowney and a watkins fan. hell there are people that think it'd be great to take a trade deal that comes across our desk to switch 2 spots so they can pick up one of these guys everybody is in love with and STILL get someone on our board plus another #1 pick for next year, cuz even with manziel or any of these other guys at QB we're still be lucky to go 8 and 8.

                                          now if you were willing to bet and say if we got manziel we'd be an instant playoff team........i'd take that bet.

                                          yup...upgrading our pass rush is gonna magically transform our anemic offense...you are daft.

                                          Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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