A Different Opinion on the Browns coaching search
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This is my guess of the whole Gase situation
Sometime during the season Haslam lost all confidence in Chuds ability to turn this thing around...for arguments sake let's say it was the Jet's game...Sitting in his office pissed off watching the Broncos game(They played every single day on national TV this season....well it seemed like it!)
He says to himself "Hey I know Peyton,I'll just ring him and see how he likes this kid that's coaching him"
Peyton ofcourse blows smoke right up Jimmys ass thinking Haslam's looking for a new OC...not HC
And there's no way this kids leaving as Denver's OC to become the Browns OC
Jimmy then meets with Banner and tells him "We're firing Chud the dud cause I found me a real coach"
Problem is Manning now realizes what JH is up to and Peyton has something a little more important going on right now(Like winning a super bowl and claiming his place as the best there ever was)
So Peyton has now circled the wagons in Denver and won't let any distraction in until "Mission is Accomplished"
I just don't believe Gase has any intention of leaving the job he has...right now JMO
Only one flaw in your commentary.....even if Peyton wins he will not be considered the best there ever was. He won't even pass the guy on the other side of the ball on Sunday.
Only one flaw in your commentary.....even if Peyton wins he will not be considered the best there ever was. He won't even pass the guy on the other side of the ball on Sunday.
Only because people have gotten into a bad habit of equating quarterback greatness with ring totals. Even though the QB only plays half the snaps, has no control over the defense or special teams, has 53 teammates who can single-handidly lose a game with blown coverage, bad tackle, dropped ball, missed kick, etc., and then you have to take into consideration coaching staffs, which are a big, big, part of the NFL game.
Peyton Manning is a better QB than Tom Brady.
He is the best QB I have ever seen in 40+ years of watching football ... and it's not really that close.
Zombo
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Only one flaw in your commentary.....even if Peyton wins he will not be considered the best there ever was. He won't even pass the guy on the other side of the ball on Sunday.
Only because people have gotten into a bad habit of equating quarterback greatness with ring totals. Even though the QB only plays half the snaps, has no control over the defense or special teams, has 53 teammates who can single-handidly lose a game with blown coverage, bad tackle, dropped ball, missed kick, etc., and then you have to take into consideration coaching staffs, which are a big, big, part of the NFL game.
Peyton Manning is a better QB than Tom Brady.
He is the best QB I have ever seen in 40+ years of watching football ... and it's not really that close.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Only because people have gotten into a bad habit of equating quarterback greatness with ring totals. Even though the QB only plays half the snaps, has no control over the defense or special teams, has 53 teammates who can single-handidly lose a game with blown coverage, bad tackle, dropped ball, missed kick, etc., and then you have to take into consideration coaching staffs, which are a big, big, part of the NFL game.
Peyton Manning is a better QB than Tom Brady.
He is the best QB I have ever seen in 40+ years of watching football ... and it's not really that close.
Zombo
No. As good as Peyton is, Brady is better. Brady has not played nearly with the WR talent that Peyton has. He makes players around him much better. He gets more out of less than Peyton does.
His winning record speaks for itself....
I guess we could go on and on and not convince each other.
(But as far as 40 years.....I may also have to put Montana perhaps above them both, all things considered)
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I couldn't agree more Mark. I'm betting that from this season on, Tampa will be a tough, well disciplined team that will compete for its division, year in and year out..........Naaaaa, we didn't need to talk to him.
I agree but I was also making the point that just because we haven't hired anyone yet doesn't mean we've really missed out on anything.
I agree but I was also making the point that just because we haven't hired anyone yet doesn't mean we've really missed out on anything.
Also agree on Lovie, but it's not just the HC candidates that we are missing out on...
Coordinators and position coaches are "flying off of the shelves" now.
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Zombo said:
Only because people have gotten into a bad habit of equating quarterback greatness with ring totals. Even though the QB only plays half the snaps, has no control over the defense or special teams, has 53 teammates who can single-handidly lose a game with blown coverage, bad tackle, dropped ball, missed kick, etc., and then you have to take into consideration coaching staffs, which are a big, big, part of the NFL game.
Peyton Manning is a better QB than Tom Brady.
He is the best QB I have ever seen in 40+ years of watching football ... and it's not really that close.
Zombo
No. As good as Peyton is, Brady is better. Brady has not played nearly with the WR talent that Peyton has. He makes players around him much better. He gets more out of less than Peyton does.
His winning record speaks for itself....
I guess we could go on and on and not convince each other.
(But as far as 40 years.....I may also have to put Montana perhaps above them both, all things considered)
No. As good as Peyton is, Brady is better. Brady has not played nearly with the WR talent that Peyton has. He makes players around him much better. He gets more out of less than Peyton does.
His winning record speaks for itself....
I guess we could go on and on and not convince each other.
(But as far as 40 years.....I may also have to put Montana perhaps above them both, all things considered)
Do you think Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne would have been considered great if they were drafted by a team like the Browns that never had a QB?
Were these guys on the Broncos lighting it up before Manning got there?
Manning could take your team and beat his team with it.
Brady is 148-43 (.774) as a starter, which is phenomenal, but Manning is 167-73 (.696), and if you throw out his rookie year (3-13) he is (.732) which is almost as phenomenal.
Manning went to the Super Bowl with two different coaches (about to be three) and has seasons of 13 wins or more with four different coaches, while Brady has played for only one coach, widely believed to be the greatest coach alive by many.
Completion Percentage: Manning 65.5 Brady 63.4
Yard per attempt: Manning 7.7 Brady 7.5
Touchdown percentage: Manning 5.8 Brady 5.5
QB Rating: Manning 97.2 Brady 95.7
Sack percentage: Manning 3.1 Brady 5.0
Your favorite productivity stat, AV: Manning 254 Brady 190
NFL MVPs: Manning 5 Brady 2
1st team All Pro: Manning 7 Brady 2
Brady has played with a Top Ten defense 10 times (Belichick knows a thing or two there) Manning just 6 times in three more seasons.
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No. As good as Peyton is, Brady is better. Brady has not played nearly with the WR talent that Peyton has. He makes players around him much better. He gets more out of less than Peyton does.
His winning record speaks for itself....
I guess we could go on and on and not convince each other.
(But as far as 40 years.....I may also have to put Montana perhaps above them both, all things considered)
Do you think Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne would have been considered great if they were drafted by a team like the Browns that never had a QB?
Were these guys on the Broncos lighting it up before Manning got there?
Manning could take your team and beat his team with it.
Brady is 148-43 (.774) as a starter, which is phenomenal, but Manning is 167-73 (.696), and if you throw out his rookie year (3-13) he is (.732) which is almost as phenomenal.
Manning went to the Super Bowl with two different coaches (about to be three) and has seasons of 13 wins or more with four different coaches, while Brady has played for only one coach, widely believed to be the greatest coach alive by many.
Completion Percentage: Manning 65.5 Brady 63.4
Yard per attempt: Manning 7.7 Brady 7.5
Touchdown percentage: Manning 5.8 Brady 5.5
QB Rating: Manning 97.2 Brady 95.7
Sack percentage: Manning 3.1 Brady 5.0
Your favorite productivity stat, AV: Manning 254 Brady 190
NFL MVPs: Manning 5 Brady 2
1st team All Pro: Manning 7 Brady 2
Brady has played with a Top Ten defense 10 times (Belichick knows a thing or two there) Manning just 6 times in three more seasons.
Zombo said:
Do you think Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne would have been considered great if they were drafted by a team like the Browns that never had a QB?
Don't know. Too hypothetical. Maybe. They were better than what Brady has had for most of his career.
Were these guys on the Broncos lighting it up before Manning got there?
Yea, kinda, hell, they made Tim Tebow look decent.
Manning could take your team and beat his team with it.
So could Brady, even easier.
Brady is 148-43 (.774) as a starter, which is phenomenal, but Manning is 167-73 (.696), and if you throw out his rookie year (3-13) he is (.732) which is almost as phenomenal.
But....not quite as good.
Manning went to the Super Bowl with two different coaches (about to be three) and has seasons of 13 wins or more with four different coaches, while Brady has played for only one coached, widely believed to be the greatest coach alive by many.
He was considered a flop here. He may have been a flop there but for Brady.
Completion Percentage: Manning 65.5 Brady 63.4
Yard per attempt: Manning 7.7 Brady 7.5
Touchdown percentage: Manning 5.8 Brady 5.5
QB Rating: Manning 97.2 Brady 95.7
Sack percentage: Manning 3.1 Brady 5.0
Your favorite productivity stat, AV: Manning 254 Brady 190
NFL MVPs: Manning 5 Brady 2
1st team All Pro: Manning 7 Brady 2
A lot of those are real close. I suspect that there are an equal number of stats if I wanted to check it out in which Brady would be ahead.
(and we won't bring up those SB wins and appearances stats)
Brady has played with a Top Ten defense 10 times (Belichick knows a thing or two there) Manning just 6 times in three more seasons.
You want a QB to win you a game? If you take Peyton and I take Brady, I like my chances.
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You want a QB to win you a game? If you take Peyton and I take Brady, I like my chances
How convenient. They both want to win a game 3:00 Sunday.
Zombo
**For the record, Denver was 31st in pass offense the year before Manning ... #1 Now.
***Also for the record, that "flop" Belichick started off slow, but he had the Browns in the playoffs at 11-5 the year before Art pulled the rug. He also went 11-5 with Matt Cassell.
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How about bringing back some history. Bring back Marty ball. Marty was a good coach just could not get us pass the playoffs, but I would love to be in the playoffs again.
How about bringing back some history. Bring back Marty ball. Marty was a good coach just could not get us pass the playoffs, but I would love to be in the playoffs again.
i'd bring him back in a second if he wasn't 80 yers old.
talk about dying on the job.
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You want a QB to win you a game? If you take Peyton and I take Brady, I like my chances
How convenient. They both want to win a game 3:00 Sunday.
Zombo
**For the record, Denver was 31st in pass offense the year before Manning ... #1 Now.
***Also for the record, that "flop" Belichick started off slow, but he had the Browns in the playoffs at 11-5 the year before Art pulled the rug. He also went 11-5 with Matt Cassell.
Zombo said:
How convenient. They both want to win a game 3:00 Sunday.
Mano y mano. I guess we shall see how it goes.
Zombo
**For the record, Denver was 31st in pass offense the year before Manning ... #1 Now.
***Also for the record, that "flop" Belichick started off slow, but he had the Browns in the playoffs at 11-5 the year before Art pulled the rug. He also went 11-5 with Matt Cassell.
BB had one winning season with the Browns...and 4 losing seasons with Bernie and Vinny.
Montana won with both Walsh and Seifert....and had another good chance with Marty. So I am still inclined to put him in there
Plus, lets put it this way: If you took Otto Graham and Joe Montana and Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and Johnny Unitas and said scramble these up any way you like, I think I would be eating some really good eggs.
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Zombo said:
How convenient. They both want to win a game 3:00 Sunday.
Mano y mano. I guess we shall see how it goes.
Zombo
**For the record, Denver was 31st in pass offense the year before Manning ... #1 Now.
***Also for the record, that "flop" Belichick started off slow, but he had the Browns in the playoffs at 11-5 the year before Art pulled the rug. He also went 11-5 with Matt Cassell.
BB had one winning season with the Browns...and 4 losing seasons with Bernie and Vinny.
Montana won with both Walsh and Seifert....and had another good chance with Marty. So I am still inclined to put him in there
Plus, lets put it this way: If you took Otto Graham and Joe Montana and Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and Johnny Unitas and said scramble these up any way you like, I think I would be eating some really good eggs.
BB had one winning season with the Browns...and 4 losing seasons with Bernie and Vinny.
Montana won with both Walsh and Seifert....and had another good chance with Marty. So I am still inclined to put him in there
Plus, lets put it this way: If you took Otto Graham and Joe Montana and Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and Johnny Unitas and said scramble these up any way you like, I think I would be eating some really good eggs.
I think Bellichik is a good coach. It's too hard to say otherwise.
New England also has a knack for taking high risk players and settling them down. Like, Blount for example. Bellichik definitely has something to do with that.
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This is my guess of the whole Gase situation
Sometime during the season Haslam lost all confidence in Chuds ability to turn this thing around...for arguments sake let's say it was the Jet's game...Sitting in his office pissed off watching the Broncos game(They played every single day on national TV this season....well it seemed like it!)
He says to himself "Hey I know Peyton,I'll just ring him and see how he likes this kid that's coaching him"
Peyton ofcourse blows smoke right up Jimmys ass thinking Haslam's looking for a new OC...not HC
And there's no way this kids leaving as Denver's OC to become the Browns OC
Jimmy then meets with Banner and tells him "We're firing Chud the dud cause I found me a real coach"
Problem is Manning now realizes what JH is up to and Peyton has something a little more important going on right now(Like winning a super bowl and claiming his place as the best there ever was)
So Peyton has now circled the wagons in Denver and won't let any distraction in until "Mission is Accomplished"
I just don't believe Gase has any intention of leaving the job he has...right now JMO
Only one flaw in your commentary.....even if Peyton wins he will not be considered the best there ever was. He won't even pass the guy on the other side of the ball on Sunday.
Only one flaw in your commentary.....even if Peyton wins he will not be considered the best there ever was. He won't even pass the guy on the other side of the ball on Sunday.
If Peyton wins it all this year (and that's a big if...but he's getting closer) he will be the only QB to win a super bowl with 2 different teams.
That would put him up there as one of the greatest of all time.
Personally Montana would be my greatest ever simply because he never lost...And I'm old enough to have seen Starr,Unitas and Namath play.
By the way Gipper,didn't Earl Moral come dam close to winning super bowls with two different teams?
I was thinking he played some in the Colts win over Dallas...and then led the Dolphins all the way to the playoffs but stepped aside when Griese healed up?
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BB had one winning season with the Browns...and 4 losing seasons with Bernie and Vinny.
Montana won with both Walsh and Seifert....and had another good chance with Marty. So I am still inclined to put him in there
Plus, lets put it this way: If you took Otto Graham and Joe Montana and Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and Johnny Unitas and said scramble these up any way you like, I think I would be eating some really good eggs.
I think Bellichik is a good coach. It's too hard to say otherwise.
New England also has a knack for taking high risk players and settling them down. Like, Blount for example. Bellichik definitely has something to do with that.
I think Bellichik is a good coach. It's too hard to say otherwise.
New England also has a knack for taking high risk players and settling them down. Like, Blount for example. Bellichik definitely has something to do with that.
Bill Belichick is a Benifactor of Tom Brady...without brady...belichump is a loser.
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I think Bellichik is a good coach. It's too hard to say otherwise.
New England also has a knack for taking high risk players and settling them down. Like, Blount for example. Bellichik definitely has something to do with that.
Bill Belichick is a Benifactor of Tom Brady...without brady...belichump is a loser.
Bill Belichick is a Benifactor of Tom Brady...without brady...belichump is a loser.
wrong.
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Nope...your wrong...you always are
Saying Bellichik is a chump is the most ridiculous statement I keep reading here.
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How about bringing back some history. Bring back Marty ball. Marty was a good coach just could not get us pass the playoffs, but I would love to be in the playoffs again.
i'd bring him back in a second if he wasn't 80 yers old.
talk about dying on the job.
i'd bring him back in a second if he wasn't 80 yers old.
talk about dying on the job.
Heard Schottenhiemer just bought a cemetery plot in Strongsville
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the strongsville thing never gets old.
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You want a QB to win you a game? If you take Peyton and I take Brady, I like my chances
How convenient. They both want to win a game 3:00 Sunday.
Zombo
**For the record, Denver was 31st in pass offense the year before Manning ... #1 Now.
***Also for the record, that "flop" Belichick started off slow, but he had the Browns in the playoffs at 11-5 the year before Art pulled the rug. He also went 11-5 with Matt Cassell.
Brady > Manning. If u don't see that than bias really plays into it.Zombo said:
How convenient. They both want to win a game 3:00 Sunday.
Zombo
**For the record, Denver was 31st in pass offense the year before Manning ... #1 Now.
***Also for the record, that "flop" Belichick started off slow, but he had the Browns in the playoffs at 11-5 the year before Art pulled the rug. He also went 11-5 with Matt Cassell.
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Brady > Manning. If u don't see that than bias really plays into it.Zombo said:
How convenient. They both want to win a game 3:00 Sunday.
Zombo
**For the record, Denver was 31st in pass offense the year before Manning ... #1 Now.
***Also for the record, that "flop" Belichick started off slow, but he had the Browns in the playoffs at 11-5 the year before Art pulled the rug. He also went 11-5 with Matt Cassell.
Brady > Manning. If u don't see that than bias really plays into it.
What kind of bias? I have no real rooting interest for or against either of them their entire careers. I like them both a lot, actually. I'm just saying my eyes have seen a LOT of football games, and Manning has been the best at his position I have ever seen.
The other guys that picked him as MVP and All Pro more than twice as many times as Brady must have been feeling the same thing.
Zombo
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Brady > Manning. If u don't see that than bias really plays into it.
What kind of bias? I have no real rooting interest for or against either of them their entire careers. I like them both a lot, actually. I'm just saying my eyes have seen a LOT of football games, and Manning has been the best at his position I have ever seen.
The other guys that picked him as MVP and All Pro more than twice as many times as Brady must have been feeling the same thing.
Zombo
Zombo said:
What kind of bias?
The kind where you disagree with him...
Since he is perfectly objective... if you disagree, you must, by definition, be biased.
It's the transitive property of Bullshit... or some such thing....
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