What's wrong with Derek Carr?
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Cool... I need all the help I can get...
Need is a perfect tie-breaker, but only player close to tied with Watkins on my board right now is Clowney.
The two questions that I have with Clowney are his motivation and his fit into a 3-4. If we return to a 4-3, one of those goes away. If his motivation ceased to be a question, then I'd wrestle with his value vs. Sammy's.
I think you'd agree we are deeper at DE than WR.
How about one of these TEs? Amaro or Ebron? I think Robinson would be a fantastic addition for our run game.Cool... I need all the help I can get...
Need is a perfect tie-breaker, but only player close to tied with Watkins on my board right now is Clowney.
The two questions that I have with Clowney are his motivation and his fit into a 3-4. If we return to a 4-3, one of those goes away. If his motivation ceased to be a question, then I'd wrestle with his value vs. Sammy's.
I think you'd agree we are deeper at DE than WR.
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How about one of these TEs? Amaro or Ebron? I think Robinson would be a fantastic addition for our run game.Cool... I need all the help I can get...
Need is a perfect tie-breaker, but only player close to tied with Watkins on my board right now is Clowney.
The two questions that I have with Clowney are his motivation and his fit into a 3-4. If we return to a 4-3, one of those goes away. If his motivation ceased to be a question, then I'd wrestle with his value vs. Sammy's.
I think you'd agree we are deeper at DE than WR.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
How about one of these TEs? Amaro or Ebron? I think Robinson would be a fantastic addition for our run game.
And here I thought your offer was serious...
I think Amaro will be a good TE, but his college numbers were pumped up by Tech's system. While I think Ebron will be even better than Amaro, I do not see elite. If I want a more traditional TE, Iowa's Fiedorowicz strikes me a as much better value in the late 3rd or early 4th.
I am not sure which "Robinson" you are referring to... the Citadel FB? More likely the Auburn OT. If the latter... no, there is one elite OT in the draft and he will not be there at #4. If the former... hell no...
While I agree we need a RT upgrade, again there are better values for the position in subsequent rounds. -
Mathews isn't elite? Or Robinson? I think they both end up top 10. Robinson would be my preference because of the switch to the right side, and his domination when run blocking.
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Mathews isn't elite? Or Robinson? I think they both end up top 10. Robinson would be my preference because of the switch to the right side, and his domination when run blocking.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Mathews isn't elite? Or Robinson? I think they both end up top 10. Robinson would be my preference because of the switch to the right side, and his domination when run blocking.
well the right side of the OL definitely needs to be fixed, somehow. i don't know if you take the OL @4 even though i see some draftniks have him looming in the 5-8 area.
if went back to a 4-3 clowney would be my pick IF bortles was off the table. i think bortles will be there, but seeing as how this org. is being run right now will probably do a skins move to trade up to number 1 to get johnny and be fucked for the next 10 years.
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I could see a 3-4 front of Rubin, Taylor and Clowney. What about Des Bryant you ask? I'm not sure that we can put a lot of faith in the guy. Wasn't that the second time that he' missed time for heart issues? What if he can't make it back. Granted, we still have Kitchen, Hughes, Winn and Armonty Bryant, but they are not the same caliber of player, yet.
Clowney could be great... or he could be the next Warren.
John Manziel could be great... or he could be the next Akili Smith.
Derek Carr could be great... or he could be the next David Carr.
Bridgewater could be great... but most likely will not be...
Watkins could be great.. Braylon Edwards...
We could do this until May and it wouldn't change the fact that it's all a risk, nobody is a fortune teller. Anyone could be a success; anyone could be a bust. It's all about what is inside that person... Hell, Weeden could have even been good... at baseball... well, maybe not anyone could be a success...
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
I could see a 3-4 front of Rubin, Taylor and Clowney. What about Des Bryant you ask? I'm not sure that we can put a lot of faith in the guy. Wasn't that the second time that he' missed time for heart issues? What if he can't make it back. Granted, we still have Kitchen, Hughes, Winn and Armonty Bryant, but they are not the same caliber of player, yet.
Clowney could be great... or he could be the next Warren.
John Manziel could be great... or he could be the next Akili Smith.
Derek Carr could be great... or he could be the next David Carr.
Bridgewater could be great... but most likely will not be...
Watkins could be great.. Braylon Edwards...
We could do this until May and it wouldn't change the fact that it's all a risk, nobody is a fortune teller. Anyone could be a success; anyone could be a bust. It's all about what is inside that person... Hell, Weeden could have even been good... at baseball... well, maybe not anyone could be a success...
Rubin could be on his way out actually. Clowney Taylor Bryant would be nasty. I see Clowney as a 4-3 end but he could be a force at 3-4 end also. Id take him over Watkins at this point.I could see a 3-4 front of Rubin, Taylor and Clowney. What about Des Bryant you ask? I'm not sure that we can put a lot of faith in the guy. Wasn't that the second time that he' missed time for heart issues? What if he can't make it back. Granted, we still have Kitchen, Hughes, Winn and Armonty Bryant, but they are not the same caliber of player, yet.
Clowney could be great... or he could be the next Warren.
John Manziel could be great... or he could be the next Akili Smith.
Derek Carr could be great... or he could be the next David Carr.
Bridgewater could be great... but most likely will not be...
Watkins could be great.. Braylon Edwards...
We could do this until May and it wouldn't change the fact that it's all a risk, nobody is a fortune teller. Anyone could be a success; anyone could be a bust. It's all about what is inside that person... Hell, Weeden could have even been good... at baseball... well, maybe not anyone could be a success...
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I could see a 3-4 front of Rubin, Taylor and Clowney. What about Des Bryant you ask? I'm not sure that we can put a lot of faith in the guy. Wasn't that the second time that he' missed time for heart issues? What if he can't make it back. Granted, we still have Kitchen, Hughes, Winn and Armonty Bryant, but they are not the same caliber of player, yet.
Clowney could be great... or he could be the next Warren.
John Manziel could be great... or he could be the next Akili Smith.
Derek Carr could be great... or he could be the next David Carr.
Bridgewater could be great... but most likely will not be...
Watkins could be great.. Braylon Edwards...
We could do this until May and it wouldn't change the fact that it's all a risk, nobody is a fortune teller. Anyone could be a success; anyone could be a bust. It's all about what is inside that person... Hell, Weeden could have even been good... at baseball... well, maybe not anyone could be a success...
Some people are better at it then others consistently. See: Ozzie, Bellichik (chooses personnel), Cowher era.I could see a 3-4 front of Rubin, Taylor and Clowney. What about Des Bryant you ask? I'm not sure that we can put a lot of faith in the guy. Wasn't that the second time that he' missed time for heart issues? What if he can't make it back. Granted, we still have Kitchen, Hughes, Winn and Armonty Bryant, but they are not the same caliber of player, yet.
Clowney could be great... or he could be the next Warren.
John Manziel could be great... or he could be the next Akili Smith.
Derek Carr could be great... or he could be the next David Carr.
Bridgewater could be great... but most likely will not be...
Watkins could be great.. Braylon Edwards...
We could do this until May and it wouldn't change the fact that it's all a risk, nobody is a fortune teller. Anyone could be a success; anyone could be a bust. It's all about what is inside that person... Hell, Weeden could have even been good... at baseball... well, maybe not anyone could be a success...
Then there's other competent GMs like Elway, Pioli, several others.
Then there's Mike Lombardi...
Its still too early to judge this go around, but maybe possible hits are Hoyer, Mingo, Des Bryant, Armonty Bryant.
Everyone misses, but there's no reason to be confident in the people who are running the browns.
And I couldn't complain much about a pick like Bridgewater, Clowney, Watkins. All seem to be decent picks at #4. A QB is just more risky.
We take a QB we have a greater chance for bust, and lose out on a potential impact player for years to come (Clowney, Watkins)
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Some people are better at it then others consistently. See: Ozzie, Bellichik (chooses personnel), Cowher era.I could see a 3-4 front of Rubin, Taylor and Clowney. What about Des Bryant you ask? I'm not sure that we can put a lot of faith in the guy. Wasn't that the second time that he' missed time for heart issues? What if he can't make it back. Granted, we still have Kitchen, Hughes, Winn and Armonty Bryant, but they are not the same caliber of player, yet.
Clowney could be great... or he could be the next Warren.
John Manziel could be great... or he could be the next Akili Smith.
Derek Carr could be great... or he could be the next David Carr.
Bridgewater could be great... but most likely will not be...
Watkins could be great.. Braylon Edwards...
We could do this until May and it wouldn't change the fact that it's all a risk, nobody is a fortune teller. Anyone could be a success; anyone could be a bust. It's all about what is inside that person... Hell, Weeden could have even been good... at baseball... well, maybe not anyone could be a success...
Then there's other competent GMs like Elway, Pioli, several others.
Then there's Mike Lombardi...
Its still too early to judge this go around, but maybe possible hits are Hoyer, Mingo, Des Bryant, Armonty Bryant.
Everyone misses, but there's no reason to be confident in the people who are running the browns.
And I couldn't complain much about a pick like Bridgewater, Clowney, Watkins. All seem to be decent picks at #4. A QB is just more risky.
We take a QB we have a greater chance for bust, and lose out on a potential impact player for years to come (Clowney, Watkins)
Some people are better at it then others consistently. See: Ozzie, Bellichik (chooses personnel), Cowher era.
Then there's other competent GMs like Elway, Pioli, several others.
Then there's Mike Lombardi...
Its still too early to judge this go around, but maybe possible hits are Hoyer, Mingo, Des Bryant, Armonty Bryant.
Everyone misses, but there's no reason to be confident in the people who are running the browns.
And I couldn't complain much about a pick like Bridgewater, Clowney, Watkins. All seem to be decent picks at #4. A QB is just more risky.
We take a QB we have a greater chance for bust, and lose out on a potential impact player for years to come (Clowney, Watkins)
This statement is not true at all. Any player at any position can be a bust. Also, depends on your definition of a bust...
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Mathews isn't elite? Or Robinson? I think they both end up top 10. Robinson would be my preference because of the switch to the right side, and his domination when run blocking.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Mathews isn't elite? Or Robinson? I think they both end up top 10. Robinson would be my preference because of the switch to the right side, and his domination when run blocking.
Mathews is elite and I have said so repeatedly... I believe you misread me.
Robinson... I have not seen elite yet, but have not film studied him. Since he is an underclassman I have spent no time on him. Now that he has declared I will.
Schwartz was supposed to a be a roadgrader, too. Turned out he has a problem locating quicker DE be it in pass protection or run blocking.
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Some people are better at it then others consistently. See: Ozzie, Bellichik (chooses personnel), Cowher era.
Then there's other competent GMs like Elway, Pioli, several others.
Then there's Mike Lombardi...
Its still too early to judge this go around, but maybe possible hits are Hoyer, Mingo, Des Bryant, Armonty Bryant.
Everyone misses, but there's no reason to be confident in the people who are running the browns.
And I couldn't complain much about a pick like Bridgewater, Clowney, Watkins. All seem to be decent picks at #4. A QB is just more risky.
We take a QB we have a greater chance for bust, and lose out on a potential impact player for years to come (Clowney, Watkins)
This statement is not true at all. Any player at any position can be a bust. Also, depends on your definition of a bust...
This statement is not true at all. Any player at any position can be a bust. Also, depends on your definition of a bust...
Disagree with your disagreement...
While, yes, any position can produce "busts", it seems to me that the greater the skill set required... the greater the chances of "busting". And IMO... QB skill requirements are the greatest of the 24 starting positions.
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His first name is Derek and his last name is Carr
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