Hoyer Starting QB 2014
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Home opener.Third quarter. Brown's trailing 27-3. Hoyer has given up 3 picks. The crowd is screaming give us Barabbas!
Gase starts looking for a new job.
WSS
Hoyer in 2014 is fine by me...
Home opener.Third quarter. Brown's trailing 27-3. Hoyer has given up 3 picks. The crowd is screaming give us Barabbas!
Barabbas? What school?
.... and sits until he proves that he's better than the starter - than a
Than a???
C'mon, man,.... the suspense is killing me...
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Who the fuck is going to give up a 3rd rounder for Hoys coming off an ACL, an unknown, and Weetard? Weetard is a practice squad QB at best. We do need a greasy start, that's for sure, but this isn't a good idea. At all.
We need to package Hoyer and Weeden in the offseason in a trade for a 3rd rounder. Grab two young QB's in the Draft. Use our two 1st round picks. Fresh start for the fans!!
Who the fuck is going to give up a 3rd rounder for Hoys coming off an ACL, an unknown, and Weetard? Weetard is a practice squad QB at best. We do need a greasy start, that's for sure, but this isn't a good idea. At all.
You missed the memo.
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My take on Hoyer starting; well, I would like to see how he comes back from the injury. Can he move as well as he could before? Will the injury make him shy of taking hits? Can he still make plays with his feat and remain a dual threat?
I would wait to see the answers to these questions before anointing him the starter. But, that said, if he checks out with the doctors I would most certainly see what he's got. I think that if he continues along the path he was on before the injury he could be really good for us for a couple years. He's getting close to Weedens age and although I wouldn't mind him staying for the rest of his career, we do need to find the future soon, the sooner the better.
I would select Derek Carr and Sammy Watkins. Whatever it takes to get it done, whatever picks it takes, do it!
This way you can Start Hoyer on Day 1 and groom Carr for the future. Hoyer would be as good a mentor as you could ask for. You could give Hoyer all the WR help he could need with Gordon and Watkins, Benjamin and Cameron. If Hoyer doesn't pan work out then you've got Carr in the wings. I also think of the 4 top QBs coming out, Carr would be the one who would take to being groomed the best- He's a team guy and less about "Me, Me, Me".
As far as Hoyer. He's a keeper, at worse he is a great backup as we saw last year, stepped in and won two straight. You can't ask from anything more than that in a backup.
What, I actually agree with you!?!?My take on Hoyer starting; well, I would like to see how he comes back from the injury. Can he move as well as he could before? Will the injury make him shy of taking hits? Can he still make plays with his feat and remain a dual threat?
I would wait to see the answers to these questions before anointing him the starter. But, that said, if he checks out with the doctors I would most certainly see what he's got. I think that if he continues along the path he was on before the injury he could be really good for us for a couple years. He's getting close to Weedens age and although I wouldn't mind him staying for the rest of his career, we do need to find the future soon, the sooner the better.
I would select Derek Carr and Sammy Watkins. Whatever it takes to get it done, whatever picks it takes, do it!
This way you can Start Hoyer on Day 1 and groom Carr for the future. Hoyer would be as good a mentor as you could ask for. You could give Hoyer all the WR help he could need with Gordon and Watkins, Benjamin and Cameron. If Hoyer doesn't pan work out then you've got Carr in the wings. I also think of the 4 top QBs coming out, Carr would be the one who would take to being groomed the best- He's a team guy and less about "Me, Me, Me".
As far as Hoyer. He's a keeper, at worse he is a great backup as we saw last year, stepped in and won two straight. You can't ask from anything more than that in a backup.
Except for the whatever picks it takes. If we can't get Watkins and Carr with the picks we already have we failed.
Carr should fall to 26. Not many QB hungry teams out there.
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Sarcasm is so hard to get across on this board. Even when the text is Pink.
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My take on Hoyer starting; well, I would like to see how he comes back from the injury. Can he move as well as he could before? Will the injury make him shy of taking hits? Can he still make plays with his feat and remain a dual threat?
I would wait to see the answers to these questions before anointing him the starter. But, that said, if he checks out with the doctors I would most certainly see what he's got. I think that if he continues along the path he was on before the injury he could be really good for us for a couple years. He's getting close to Weedens age and although I wouldn't mind him staying for the rest of his career, we do need to find the future soon, the sooner the better.
I would select Derek Carr and Sammy Watkins. Whatever it takes to get it done, whatever picks it takes, do it!
This way you can Start Hoyer on Day 1 and groom Carr for the future. Hoyer would be as good a mentor as you could ask for. You could give Hoyer all the WR help he could need with Gordon and Watkins, Benjamin and Cameron. If Hoyer doesn't pan work out then you've got Carr in the wings. I also think of the 4 top QBs coming out, Carr would be the one who would take to being groomed the best- He's a team guy and less about "Me, Me, Me".
As far as Hoyer. He's a keeper, at worse he is a great backup as we saw last year, stepped in and won two straight. You can't ask from anything more than that in a backup.
My take on Hoyer starting; well, I would like to see how he comes back from the injury. Can he move as well as he could before? Will the injury make him shy of taking hits? Can he still make plays with his feat and remain a dual threat?
I would wait to see the answers to these questions before anointing him the starter. But, that said, if he checks out with the doctors I would most certainly see what he's got. I think that if he continues along the path he was on before the injury he could be really good for us for a couple years. He's getting close to Weedens age and although I wouldn't mind him staying for the rest of his career, we do need to find the future soon, the sooner the better.
I would select Derek Carr and Sammy Watkins. Whatever it takes to get it done, whatever picks it takes, do it!
This way you can Start Hoyer on Day 1 and groom Carr for the future. Hoyer would be as good a mentor as you could ask for. You could give Hoyer all the WR help he could need with Gordon and Watkins, Benjamin and Cameron. If Hoyer doesn't pan work out then you've got Carr in the wings. I also think of the 4 top QBs coming out, Carr would be the one who would take to being groomed the best- He's a team guy and less about "Me, Me, Me".
As far as Hoyer. He's a keeper, at worse he is a great backup as we saw last year, stepped in and won two straight. You can't ask from anything more than that in a backup.
A rare moment of lucidity- except it's Watkins, then Carr PG.
Ice Dawg19 said:
Say you take Manziel or Bortels with the first pick, and Carr slides to the 2nd pick of the first round. Do you select him? I say yes.
I say no way. If you're going to draft 2 quarterbacks you wait until the third round to take a flyer- like say Garrapolo. He may not last that long- heard they Bengals might draft him in the second as an insurance policy that Dalton isn't the answer.
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God I hope the stooges know what theyre doing, I dont know how many more wasted seasons I can take....
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http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/2818/hoyer-adds-depth-insurance-at-quarterback
Sounds like he'll be ready and it sounds like he wants another chance.
Hoyer plans on putting that leadership back to good use on the football field sooner rather than later.
“I’m sure I’ll treat that first practice back like it was the Super Bowl, especially for how things got taken from me,” Hoyer said. “I plan to pick things up right where I left off. I’m not going to care if it’s a minicamp in April. When something like this happens to you, you realize you’re one play away from maybe never playing again.
“I’ve always tried to look at it that way, but now that I’ve gone through something like this, I’ll treat every play, whether it’s a play in practice or a route in one-on-ones, I’ll treat it like my last. I think that’s something that can be useful. I’ll be excited, and I’ll make sure I get those guys fired up, just like I’m going to be.”
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It's smart to draft another QB but I hope they give Hoyer the starting gig at the start of the season (unless the rookie lights it up in pre season and Hoyer sh*ts the bed). Let the young guy learn and find out if Hoyer is legit. Maybe it's because the guy he replaced was so bad but he seemed legit in what we've seen so far.
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React? With joy? Yes i agree. Yes i do remember Holcomb who was 4-8 in his starts and proved he wasn't the guy. Hoyer has yet to prove himself i agree, but the guy did go 2-0 before he got hurt... so does this mean he doesn't get a chance to prove himself cause Holcomb didn't turn out? I suppose throwing in a rookie who was good in college is a better option? Its worked out great for the browns so far... I mean look at all the winning seasons we've had with that way of thinking. What does "hasn't proven himself yet after 2 starts" mean anyway? Was he supposed to have us a superbowl trophy after 2 starts and 2 wins? The guy could read a defense, get rid of the ball quick, hit people running in stride and more. My eyes must be playing tricks on me cause the guy played good football and everyone just says screw him i want a rookie who hasn't proven anything in the NFL to start from day 1. Just cause sitting Brady Quinn didn't work out to well doesn't mean its a bad thing to do, it just means it didn't work for him.
React? With joy? Yes i agree. Yes i do remember Holcomb who was 4-8 in his starts and proved he wasn't the guy. Hoyer has yet to prove himself i agree, but the guy did go 2-0 before he got hurt... so does this mean he doesn't get a chance to prove himself cause Holcomb didn't turn out? I suppose throwing in a rookie who was good in college is a better option? Its worked out great for the browns so far... I mean look at all the winning seasons we've had with that way of thinking. What does "hasn't proven himself yet after 2 starts" mean anyway? Was he supposed to have us a superbowl trophy after 2 starts and 2 wins? The guy could read a defense, get rid of the ball quick, hit people running in stride and more. My eyes must be playing tricks on me cause the guy played good football and everyone just says screw him i want a rookie who hasn't proven anything in the NFL to start from day 1. Just cause sitting Brady Quinn didn't work out to well doesn't mean its a bad thing to do, it just means it didn't work for him.
He also threw three interceptions against the 31st ranked defense in the league that was missing both of their starting corners by halftime of that game.
Everyone is quick to blurt out "he went 2-0", yet they dismiss his 3 INT performance.
He was average. 59% completion percentage. 82 rating. 5 Y/A.
He was certainly the best we saw all season, but let's not annoint him starter. Take a QB in the first and let them battle. If we end up having two good QB's, is that the worst thing in the world?
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React? With joy? Yes i agree. Yes i do remember Holcomb who was 4-8 in his starts and proved he wasn't the guy. Hoyer has yet to prove himself i agree, but the guy did go 2-0 before he got hurt... so does this mean he doesn't get a chance to prove himself cause Holcomb didn't turn out? I suppose throwing in a rookie who was good in college is a better option? Its worked out great for the browns so far... I mean look at all the winning seasons we've had with that way of thinking. What does "hasn't proven himself yet after 2 starts" mean anyway? Was he supposed to have us a superbowl trophy after 2 starts and 2 wins? The guy could read a defense, get rid of the ball quick, hit people running in stride and more. My eyes must be playing tricks on me cause the guy played good football and everyone just says screw him i want a rookie who hasn't proven anything in the NFL to start from day 1. Just cause sitting Brady Quinn didn't work out to well doesn't mean its a bad thing to do, it just means it didn't work for him.
He also threw three interceptions against the 31st ranked defense in the league that was missing both of their starting corners by halftime of that game.
Everyone is quick to blurt out "he went 2-0", yet they dismiss his 3 INT performance.
He was average. 59% completion percentage. 82 rating. 5 Y/A.
He was certainly the best we saw all season, but let's not annoint him starter. Take a QB in the first and let them battle. If we end up having two good QB's, is that the worst thing in the world?
He also threw three interceptions against the 31st ranked defense in the league that was missing both of their starting corners by halftime of that game.
Everyone is quick to blurt out "he went 2-0", yet they dismiss his 3 INT performance.
He was average. 59% completion percentage. 82 rating. 5 Y/A.
He was certainly the best we saw all season, but let's not annoint him starter. Take a QB in the first and let them battle. If we end up having two good QB's, is that the worst thing in the world?
I didn't bring up his 3 interceptions cause he won the game. All QB's throw interceptions but it only gets talked about if they lose because of those interceptions. He could have let those 3 picks bother him but instead he scored a td toward the end of the game and won. His first start for us btw. Why do some people only bring up the viking 3 pick game but they dismiss the bengals game? The team that was 1st in our division for most of the year, the guys who finished first with 11-5, the same Bengals that beat us 41-20 without Hoyer. We'll just dismiss that and concentrate on the 3 pick game he won? Even with his 3 picks, it was the best 2 games by a browns qb i've seen since the return and i don't mean stat wise. And why do people act like a training camp battle determines the best QB? We had 3 qbs, 1 Weedone 2 campbell and 3rd Hoyer... wtf happened when we all know Hoyers better but got put on 3rd string? And before i get called the biggest Hoyer homer in the world, i just seen a vid of a guy singing "can you take me Hoyer" a remake of can you take me higher... hes a bigger homer than me.
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He also threw three interceptions against the 31st ranked defense in the league that was missing both of their starting corners by halftime of that game.
Everyone is quick to blurt out "he went 2-0", yet they dismiss his 3 INT performance.
He was average. 59% completion percentage. 82 rating. 5 Y/A.
He was certainly the best we saw all season, but let's not annoint him starter. Take a QB in the first and let them battle. If we end up having two good QB's, is that the worst thing in the world?
I didn't bring up his 3 interceptions cause he won the game. All QB's throw interceptions but it only gets talked about if they lose because of those interceptions. He could have let those 3 picks bother him but instead he scored a td toward the end of the game and won. His first start for us btw. Why do some people only bring up the viking 3 pick game but they dismiss the bengals game? The team that was 1st in our division for most of the year, the guys who finished first with 11-5, the same Bengals that beat us 41-20 without Hoyer. We'll just dismiss that and concentrate on the 3 pick game he won? Even with his 3 picks, it was the best 2 games by a browns qb i've seen since the return and i don't mean stat wise. And why do people act like a training camp battle determines the best QB? We had 3 qbs, 1 Weedone 2 campbell and 3rd Hoyer... wtf happened when we all know Hoyers better but got put on 3rd string? And before i get called the biggest Hoyer homer in the world, i just seen a vid of a guy singing "can you take me Hoyer" a remake of can you take me higher... hes a bigger homer than me.
I think Hoyer was third string because the other 2 QBs beat him out in camp. The team and city rallied around Hoyer and he played QB the way we havent seen in decades. Decisive. The fact is, we dont know what we have in him. He could just be scratching the surface, or he could turn back in to the undrafted QB whod been cut by 3 teams, once teams got some film on him. Given how bad the QB situation is and has been here, we cant afford to put everything on his shoulders. The next two years are gonna be huge for this group, as the window is open and its up to the QB to capitalize. I truly believe this is a playoff team with competent QB play. We have plenty of money to grab a couple upgrades in FA and do what we have to do, to get OUR highest rated QB in the draft. If we do that there are three outcomes. 1. Hoyer proves the doubters wrong and wins the job, leading us to the playoffs while the rook sits and learns. 2. The rookie comes in and takes the NFL by storm, leading us to the playoffs, Hoyer is a good backup. 3. They both suck and we suck also. If 1 happens, we would have a great trade chip assuming nothing has happened to kill the rooks trade bait after a couple seasons. If 2 happens, we have a good backup in Hoyer. If 3 happens, well we all know that story too well.I didn't bring up his 3 interceptions cause he won the game. All QB's throw interceptions but it only gets talked about if they lose because of those interceptions. He could have let those 3 picks bother him but instead he scored a td toward the end of the game and won. His first start for us btw. Why do some people only bring up the viking 3 pick game but they dismiss the bengals game? The team that was 1st in our division for most of the year, the guys who finished first with 11-5, the same Bengals that beat us 41-20 without Hoyer. We'll just dismiss that and concentrate on the 3 pick game he won? Even with his 3 picks, it was the best 2 games by a browns qb i've seen since the return and i don't mean stat wise. And why do people act like a training camp battle determines the best QB? We had 3 qbs, 1 Weedone 2 campbell and 3rd Hoyer... wtf happened when we all know Hoyers better but got put on 3rd string? And before i get called the biggest Hoyer homer in the world, i just seen a vid of a guy singing "can you take me Hoyer" a remake of can you take me higher... hes a bigger homer than me.
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He also threw three interceptions against the 31st ranked defense in the league that was missing both of their starting corners by halftime of that game.
Everyone is quick to blurt out "he went 2-0", yet they dismiss his 3 INT performance.
He was average. 59% completion percentage. 82 rating. 5 Y/A.
He was certainly the best we saw all season, but let's not annoint him starter. Take a QB in the first and let them battle. If we end up having two good QB's, is that the worst thing in the world?
I didn't bring up his 3 interceptions cause he won the game. All QB's throw interceptions but it only gets talked about if they lose because of those interceptions. He could have let those 3 picks bother him but instead he scored a td toward the end of the game and won. His first start for us btw. Why do some people only bring up the viking 3 pick game but they dismiss the bengals game? The team that was 1st in our division for most of the year, the guys who finished first with 11-5, the same Bengals that beat us 41-20 without Hoyer. We'll just dismiss that and concentrate on the 3 pick game he won? Even with his 3 picks, it was the best 2 games by a browns qb i've seen since the return and i don't mean stat wise. And why do people act like a training camp battle determines the best QB? We had 3 qbs, 1 Weedone 2 campbell and 3rd Hoyer... wtf happened when we all know Hoyers better but got put on 3rd string? And before i get called the biggest Hoyer homer in the world, i just seen a vid of a guy singing "can you take me Hoyer" a remake of can you take me higher... hes a bigger homer than me.
I didn't bring up his 3 interceptions cause he won the game. All QB's throw interceptions but it only gets talked about if they lose because of those interceptions. He could have let those 3 picks bother him but instead he scored a td toward the end of the game and won. His first start for us btw. Why do some people only bring up the viking 3 pick game but they dismiss the bengals game? The team that was 1st in our division for most of the year, the guys who finished first with 11-5, the same Bengals that beat us 41-20 without Hoyer. We'll just dismiss that and concentrate on the 3 pick game he won? Even with his 3 picks, it was the best 2 games by a browns qb i've seen since the return and i don't mean stat wise. And why do people act like a training camp battle determines the best QB? We had 3 qbs, 1 Weedone 2 campbell and 3rd Hoyer... wtf happened when we all know Hoyers better but got put on 3rd string? And before i get called the biggest Hoyer homer in the world, i just seen a vid of a guy singing "can you take me Hoyer" a remake of can you take me higher... hes a bigger homer than me.
Hoyer is mediocre. You can dismiss stats all you want, it doesn't make it less true.
He came in, performed decently and won 2 games. With four offensive Pro Bowlers, any quarterback that's not complete shit should be able to win a couple of games. Especially when the opposing team is missing two-three defensive backfield starters, like both Minnesota and Cincinnati were.
A starter, Hoyer is not.
I'd also give a little credit to the defense for the Bengals game, considering they held Cincy to 63 rushing yards and 6 points.
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I didn't bring up his 3 interceptions cause he won the game. All QB's throw interceptions but it only gets talked about if they lose because of those interceptions. He could have let those 3 picks bother him but instead he scored a td toward the end of the game and won. His first start for us btw. Why do some people only bring up the viking 3 pick game but they dismiss the bengals game? The team that was 1st in our division for most of the year, the guys who finished first with 11-5, the same Bengals that beat us 41-20 without Hoyer. We'll just dismiss that and concentrate on the 3 pick game he won? Even with his 3 picks, it was the best 2 games by a browns qb i've seen since the return and i don't mean stat wise. And why do people act like a training camp battle determines the best QB? We had 3 qbs, 1 Weedone 2 campbell and 3rd Hoyer... wtf happened when we all know Hoyers better but got put on 3rd string? And before i get called the biggest Hoyer homer in the world, i just seen a vid of a guy singing "can you take me Hoyer" a remake of can you take me higher... hes a bigger homer than me.
Hoyer is mediocre. You can dismiss stats all you want, it doesn't make it less true.
He came in, performed decently and won 2 games. With four offensive Pro Bowlers, any quarterback that's not complete shit should be able to win a couple of games. Especially when the opposing team is missing two-three defensive backfield starters, like both Minnesota and Cincinnati were.
A starter, Hoyer is not.
I'd also give a little credit to the defense for the Bengals game, considering they held Cincy to 63 rushing yards and 6 points.
Hoyer is mediocre. You can dismiss stats all you want, it doesn't make it less true.
He came in, performed decently and won 2 games. With four offensive Pro Bowlers, any quarterback that's not complete shit should be able to win a couple of games. Especially when the opposing team is missing two-three defensive backfield starters, like both Minnesota and Cincinnati were.
A starter, Hoyer is not.
I'd also give a little credit to the defense for the Bengals game, considering they held Cincy to 63 rushing yards and 6 points.
You should also give Hoyer credit for keeping the defense rested by not going 3 and out over and over again. The defense would have played like garbage if they were on the field allday like the second game against them. I dismiss his stats cause it's stats for 2 games you would need a whole season to get his true stats. It obvious you're not a Hoyer fan so tell me which qb in the draft you think is going to give us a winning season his first year. Our history tells me none.
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I think Hoyer was third string because the other 2 QBs beat him out in camp. The team and city rallied around Hoyer and he played QB the way we havent seen in decades. Decisive. The fact is, we dont know what we have in him. He could just be scratching the surface, or he could turn back in to the undrafted QB whod been cut by 3 teams, once teams got some film on him. Given how bad the QB situation is and has been here, we cant afford to put everything on his shoulders. The next two years are gonna be huge for this group, as the window is open and its up to the QB to capitalize. I truly believe this is a playoff team with competent QB play. We have plenty of money to grab a couple upgrades in FA and do what we have to do, to get OUR highest rated QB in the draft. If we do that there are three outcomes. 1. Hoyer proves the doubters wrong and wins the job, leading us to the playoffs while the rook sits and learns. 2. The rookie comes in and takes the NFL by storm, leading us to the playoffs, Hoyer is a good backup. 3. They both suck and we suck also. If 1 happens, we would have a great trade chip assuming nothing has happened to kill the rooks trade bait after a couple seasons. If 2 happens, we have a good backup in Hoyer. If 3 happens, well we all know that story too well.I didn't bring up his 3 interceptions cause he won the game. All QB's throw interceptions but it only gets talked about if they lose because of those interceptions. He could have let those 3 picks bother him but instead he scored a td toward the end of the game and won. His first start for us btw. Why do some people only bring up the viking 3 pick game but they dismiss the bengals game? The team that was 1st in our division for most of the year, the guys who finished first with 11-5, the same Bengals that beat us 41-20 without Hoyer. We'll just dismiss that and concentrate on the 3 pick game he won? Even with his 3 picks, it was the best 2 games by a browns qb i've seen since the return and i don't mean stat wise. And why do people act like a training camp battle determines the best QB? We had 3 qbs, 1 Weedone 2 campbell and 3rd Hoyer... wtf happened when we all know Hoyers better but got put on 3rd string? And before i get called the biggest Hoyer homer in the world, i just seen a vid of a guy singing "can you take me Hoyer" a remake of can you take me higher... hes a bigger homer than me.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
I think Hoyer was third string because the other 2 QBs beat him out in camp. The team and city rallied around Hoyer and he played QB the way we havent seen in decades. Decisive. The fact is, we dont know what we have in him. He could just be scratching the surface, or he could turn back in to the undrafted QB whod been cut by 3 teams, once teams got some film on him. Given how bad the QB situation is and has been here, we cant afford to put everything on his shoulders. The next two years are gonna be huge for this group, as the window is open and its up to the QB to capitalize. I truly believe this is a playoff team with competent QB play. We have plenty of money to grab a couple upgrades in FA and do what we have to do, to get OUR highest rated QB in the draft. If we do that there are three outcomes. 1. Hoyer proves the doubters wrong and wins the job, leading us to the playoffs while the rook sits and learns. 2. The rookie comes in and takes the NFL by storm, leading us to the playoffs, Hoyer is a good backup. 3. They both suck and we suck also. If 1 happens, we would have a great trade chip assuming nothing has happened to kill the rooks trade bait after a couple seasons. If 2 happens, we have a good backup in Hoyer. If 3 happens, well we all know that story too well.
I like scenario 1 and 2 but god not 3 please.
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