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  • C calfoxwc

    The judge was probably gay, or has a relative or close friend who is.

    That's how liberal judges rule.

    Oh, btw,...

    http://news.yahoo.com/spain-39-cardinal-says-homosexuality-39-defect-39-135809123.html

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    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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    @calfoxwc said:

    Oh, btw,...

    http://news.yahoo.com/spain-39-cardinal-says-homosexuality-39-defect-39-135809123.html

    In fairness, you have to agree that it isn't "natural" - after all, in terms of evolution the number one priority for existing is to get the next generation to exist, so homosexuality is "unnatural." If we're using that as a basis to make it illegal - or make it illegal for people to get married - I think it's quite pathetic though. There are loads of natural defects that occur, that evolution would say is a bad thing - albinos, short people, fat people, people with genetic illnesses etc. Nobody is saying that these people shouldn't be allowed to marry.

    It's a ridiculous jump, yes, but so is going from "it's a defect of nature" to "we must stone the gays" from the church or "the gays cannot have the same rights as straights" from the state.

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      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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      Oh god a typo! Noooooo!

      A very religious person said something ignorant About homosexuality. Your point?

      Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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        DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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        "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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          LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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          Ice Dawg19 said:

          Gay marriage = An Extension chord with 2 male ends. It's just a bad idea and quite frankly doesn't work.

          I always hear the same liberal shit over and over. "It doesn't affect me, why should I care". That is the problem with this country, nobody cares unless it affects them directly. Technically, I don't want my kids to see this perverted crap. Have to teach my kids about the "bird's and the bee's" by going out into the forest and actually watch the birds and the bees.

          Why are you taking your kids to watch gay dudes bang? Because otherwise I don't see how they would be privy to "perverted crap" unless you are taking them down to watch the stuff.

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            C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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            albinos, short people, fat people, people with genetic illnesses etc.

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            Genetics - people can't help it.

            We're talking about behavior. That isn't the same thing.

            But libs love to redefine words to try to make some kind of dumbass point.

            Look at what logic just posted.

            Don't be stupid. Please.

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              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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              oh... so we arent even at the point where you think homosexuality is genetic? Awesome...

              Also, isnt there a study out there that shows homosexuality exists as an offset to a gene that makes the mothers more fertile? The women in the family have a better chance to reproduce and it is offset by a homosexual male.

              Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                Cal, you used the word of a rep for an organization that knowingly hid child rapists (homosexual ones at that) to try to prove your point. Do you not see where there would be an issue?

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                  Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by
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                  I don't think sexuality should really have anything to do with the constitution. But I also don't think gays should be prevented from getting married either.

                  I'd prefer the gov't not recognize my relationship. $400 bucks for tax purposes or whatever? Gee thanks, dicks.

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                    oh... so we arent even at the point where you think homosexuality is genetic? Awesome...

                    Also, isnt there a study out there that shows homosexuality exists as an offset to a gene that makes the mothers more fertile? The women in the family have a better chance to reproduce and it is offset by a homosexual male.

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                    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                    @mld-woody said:

                    oh... so we arent even at the point where you think homosexuality is genetic? Awesome...

                    Also, isnt there a study out there that shows homosexuality exists as an offset to a gene that makes the mothers more fertile? The women in the family have a better chance to reproduce and it is offset by a homosexual male.

                    There is nothing that says it is genetic. It is just perverse.

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                      I don't think sexuality should really have anything to do with the constitution. But I also don't think gays should be prevented from getting married either.

                      I'd prefer the gov't not recognize my relationship. $400 bucks for tax purposes or whatever? Gee thanks, dicks.

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                      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                      @legacy-fan said:

                      I don't think sexuality should really have anything to do with the constitution. But I also don't think gays should be prevented from getting married either.

                      I'd prefer the gov't not recognize my relationship. $400 bucks for tax purposes or whatever? Gee thanks, dicks.

                      This is how I feel. Government should be out of the marriage business all together. Let people decide if they want to be legally bound to one another. I don't need the federal government to be involved at all.

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                        W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by Westside Steve
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                        I realize it's hard for some of you guys to understand but natural doesn't necessarily mean right or wrong. Pedophilia is "natura"l because it happens in nature. Same way as sadism or masochism or bestieality or a lot of stuff you may or may not approve of.

                        If indeed that's the definition you what to use for natural.

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                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                          I would be on the side that basing our laws solely off of what is "natural" or "normal" in nature are both bad ideas.

                          Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                            C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by calfoxwc
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                            Actually, Steve, sorry, but "normal" is generally accepted, dominant activity.

                            Abnormal is an aberation to the above.

                            Whether something occurs in nature, doesn't make it natural. A small meteor

                            lands in forest? Not normal. Maybe once in a century? aberation.

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                              Actually, Steve, sorry, but "normal" is generally accepted, dominant activity.

                              Abnormal is an aberation to the above.

                              Whether something occurs in nature, doesn't make it natural. A small meteor

                              lands in forest? Not normal. Maybe once in a century? aberation.

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                              gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                              @calfoxwc said:

                              Actually, Steve, sorry, but "normal" is generally accepted, dominant activity.

                              Abnormal is an aberation to the above.

                              Whether something occurs in nature, doesn't make it natural. A small meteor

                              lands in forest? Not normal. Maybe once in a century? aberation.

                              I think we can agree that homosexuality is not normal - the norm is that you're straight, clearly. But does that mean that anything that isn't 'normal' should be illegal? If most people choose to act in one way, should the other way be illegal? Like, most people in America are Christian of some description - catholic, protestant, mormon, whatever. That's a belief, a way of life, like you said being gay is. Should the minority religions be outlawed? Nobody's forcing you to go to a mosque and kneel before allah, much in the same way that I'd hope nobody is forcing to suck a dick (if they are then perhaps your view is more understandable!)

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                                W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by Westside Steve
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                                Cal and Chris.

                                That's my point and the reason I put quotation marks around the word natural. Often people, like somebody here, have used the argument that homosexuality should be accepted because it is natural since it happens in nature. Another reason given by some is that people are born that way or that it might be genetic. I'm not making a value judgement I'm just saying that none of those conditions make it right or wrong.. People are born with many different traits that we wouldn't consider proper.

                                I would say that a case could be easily made that giving perks or benefits two married people of any sex should be unconstitutional since unmarried people are denied those same things.

                                But I will leave that lawsuit to the people who give more of a shit about it than I do. 😉

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                                  C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                  Point well taken, Mr. Steve.

                                  btw, I heard an interesting interview on the radio the other day...

                                  Hannity.

                                  She was gay, and was aghast that gay orgs continued to press for

                                  "marriage", that she felt it was fair to have civil unions, which did get

                                  them rights they wanted. She said the gay "marriage" battle was not

                                  constructive, and quite counter-productive, and was causing significant

                                  backlash in her own life.

                                  I've never been against civil unions. Don't agree with em, but I understand

                                  the fairness.

                                  But the controversy over gay "marriage" - redefining real marriage, and slapping

                                  people in the face with lawsuits over baking wedding cakes? Forcing pastors/etc.

                                  to recognize and perform services that they know are not real?

                                  And pushing the perversion behavior in the face of society?

                                  Sounds like perverted gay rebels without a genuine cause to most folks.

                                  That gal was correct, and she and Hannity had a great talk. Civil unions were

                                  society's correction to unfairness to a very small minority.

                                  The only thing left, what the conservation didn't get, is politics. vicious, self-destructive,

                                  in-your-face-if-you-are-a-conservative political aggression.

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                                    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                    Government should not be involved in any marriage, straight or gay. Let it be a religious ceremony if two people want to do that. If two consenting adults, of any sex, want to be legally bound then let them sign on the line. It would kill this whole debate.

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                                      gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                      It depends on what you call marriage I guess. If you mean it in the legal sense, then sure, a guy's "husband" should automatically have the same rights as another guy's wife, in terms of medical decisions, taxes, etc. But if you want to force a church to bless you, that's ridiculous. I'm not going to take a cheeseburger around to a hindu/muslim/jewish guy and ask him to bless it because I have the right to eat it.

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                                        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                        It actually sounds like most people here are on the same page when it comes to gay rights, bizarrely enough.

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                                          C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                          Cal, you used the word of a rep for an organization that knowingly hid child rapists (homosexual ones at that) to try to prove your point. logic

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                                          I wasn't proving a point, I just thought the article was interesting. It's not valid to dismiss all opposition of a viewpoint,

                                          because you claim every single person in an organization is corrupt. That is a common psychological

                                          self defense mechanism - characterization of all persons by membership to a group.

                                          A republican does something bad, all republicans are bad? All priests? Every catholic nun? All conservatives?

                                          that crime you refer to, those criminals should get an immediate death penalty. But all catholics didn't commit the crime,

                                          nor do they condone it in any way. Come on, Logic - you're better than that. That higher-ups in the Vatican...ie...

                                          covered it up? Send them to prison. But don't label every single bishop/priest whoever, with the same label

                                          just for belonging to that religion.

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