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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    OK, just for funsies, how about everyone give this a go.

    "Reduce unemployment by..."

    "Reduce violent crime by..."

    (note it doesn't just say guns)

    "Improve the economy by..."

    "Do this about climate change..."

    (note how I didn't put "reduce MMGW/CC by...)

    "Do this with health care..."

    "Put more emphasis on funding for..."

    "...and less emphasis on funding for..."

    "Make gay marriage..."

    "Do this about legal and illegal immigration..."

    I'm sure there are some other hotbutton topics, but these are the ones that tend to come up most. What would you do? What's your utopia? But of course, there needs to be some semblance of realism. You can't make everything free, remove all taxes and open up all the borders, the country would be fucked, of course. Play GM of the country 🙂

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    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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    @gftchris said:

    OK, just for funsies, how about everyone give this a go.

    "Reduce unemployment by..." Reducing taxes.

    "Reduce violent crime by..."

    (note it doesn't just say guns) Enclosing all high crime areas with electric fences and mines.

    "Improve the economy by..." Reducing taxes.

    "Do this about climate change..."

    (note how I didn't put "reduce MMGW/CC by...) Laugh and keep on driving my car.

    "Do this with health care..." Repeal Obama care.

    "Put more emphasis on funding for..."Defense and Space.

    "...and less emphasis on funding for..."Welfare and useless social programs.

    "Make gay marriage..." A crime.

    "Do this about legal and illegal immigration..."Enforce the law. Not sure what you mean about legal immigration.

    I'm sure there are some other hotbutton topics, but these are the ones that tend to come up most. What would you do? What's your utopia? But of course, there needs to be some semblance of realism. You can't make everything free, remove all taxes and open up all the borders, the country would be fucked, of course. Play GM of the country 🙂

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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      @westside-steve said:

      For you, Chris, the first thing to do is to stonewall your birth certificate as Obama has done since you were not born in the United States either....

      😁

      WSS

      Well, America is essentially a baby of England and there fore by the transitivity of nationality I'm American. Right? Right? Right 😉

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      DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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      @gftchris said:

      Well, America is essentially a baby of England and there fore by the transitivity of nationality I'm American. Right? Right? Right 😉

      Also Spain and France.

      "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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        @gftchris said:

        OK, just for funsies, how about everyone give this a go.

        "Reduce unemployment by..." Reducing taxes.

        "Reduce violent crime by..."

        (note it doesn't just say guns) Enclosing all high crime areas with electric fences and mines.

        "Improve the economy by..." Reducing taxes.

        "Do this about climate change..."

        (note how I didn't put "reduce MMGW/CC by...) Laugh and keep on driving my car.

        "Do this with health care..." Repeal Obama care.

        "Put more emphasis on funding for..."Defense and Space.

        "...and less emphasis on funding for..."Welfare and useless social programs.

        "Make gay marriage..." A crime.

        "Do this about legal and illegal immigration..."Enforce the law. Not sure what you mean about legal immigration.

        I'm sure there are some other hotbutton topics, but these are the ones that tend to come up most. What would you do? What's your utopia? But of course, there needs to be some semblance of realism. You can't make everything free, remove all taxes and open up all the borders, the country would be fucked, of course. Play GM of the country 🙂

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        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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        @diehardbrownsfan said:

        @gftchris said:

        "Do this about legal and illegal immigration..."Enforce the law. Not sure what you mean about legal immigration.

        By legal immigration I mean, if you think it's too easy to get a visa to live/work in the US, or too hard, what would you do about it. Immigration isn't by definition illegal.

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          @diehardbrownsfan said:

          @gftchris said:

          "Do this about legal and illegal immigration..."Enforce the law. Not sure what you mean about legal immigration.

          By legal immigration I mean, if you think it's too easy to get a visa to live/work in the US, or too hard, what would you do about it. Immigration isn't by definition illegal.

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          DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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          @gftchris said:

          By legal immigration I mean, if you think it's too easy to get a visa to live/work in the US, or too hard, what would you do about it. Immigration isn't by definition illegal.

          It is if you don't follow the required legal steps.

          "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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            @gftchris said:

            By legal immigration I mean, if you think it's too easy to get a visa to live/work in the US, or too hard, what would you do about it. Immigration isn't by definition illegal.

            It is if you don't follow the required legal steps.

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            gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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            @diehardbrownsfan said:

            It is if you don't follow the required legal steps.

            Taking things from a shop is illegal if you don't follow the correct legal steps, ie paying for it. What's your point? That all immigration is bad? Immigrants are scary?

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              DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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              My wife is Japanese, so no that's not what I mean. Try and read carefully. Immigration is legal only if you do it in the format required by the Government. Hiding aboard Ships containers, jumping border fences, etc is not legal. Comprende?

              "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                My wife is Japanese, so no that's not what I mean. Try and read carefully. Immigration is legal only if you do it in the format required by the Government. Hiding aboard Ships containers, jumping border fences, etc is not legal. Comprende?

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                gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                @diehardbrownsfan said:

                My wife is Japanese, so no that's not what I mean. Try and read carefully. Immigration is legal only if you do it in the format required by the Government. Hiding aboard Ships containers, jumping border fences, etc is not legal. Comprende?

                Yes I get what you mean, I was being flippant. Your wife is Japanese, so you most likely have a better than most understanding of legal immigration, so why did you not know what I meant by it?

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                  S sadbrownsfan wrote on last edited by sadbrownsfan
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                  The current issue for legal immigrations is it costs a lot, both in money and time, which most people looking to immigrate don't have.

                  http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-24/legal-immigration-usa/50895150/1

                  "Take a man from the Philippines with brother who holds U.S. citizenship. If he wants to immigrate but has no advanced degrees or special skills, the man could have his brother file a petition for an F4 visa, capped at 65,000 a year. The family will have to wait for a number to be assigned to the case before the visa application can be processed.

                  That wait is currently 23 years. According to the monthly Visa Bulletin published by the U.S. State Department, F4 visa applications filed in the Philippines before Aug. 22, 1988, are now being processed. If the family is from Mexico, the wait time is 15 years; wait times in China and India are now at 11 years.

                  "You can wait six years, 15 years or 20 years to come on a family visa," said President Tamar Jacoby of ImmigrationWorks USA, a coalition of pro-immigration business groups. "For a young, able-bodied man to look for work, he'd apply when he's 18 and come when he's 40.""

                  http://www.nfap.com/pdf/0505brief-family-immigration.pdf

                  So to use your situation as an example, if your wife had a sister or brother wanting to immigrate to the US, it would take them about 10yrs to get approval.

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                    My friend from India said the same thing. He said he got lucky somehow, but that many friends

                    always talked about immigrating to America.

                    He said he loved the Indian culture, but the poverty was too much to bear.

                    All their kids were born here - he laughed one time and said if they ever had to

                    move back to India, their kids would never adjust, wouldn't make it.....

                    The question is, why have legal immigration take years.... and this pres and injustice dept try to

                    force a German family back to Germany where they can't home school their kids....

                    and yet openly support the free crossing of poverty stricken mexicans by the millions?

                    The only answer is have is - to change the political demographics of this country towards

                    a permanently dependent on the gov voting block.

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                      The current issue for legal immigrations is it costs a lot, both in money and time, which most people looking to immigrate don't have.

                      http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-24/legal-immigration-usa/50895150/1

                      "Take a man from the Philippines with brother who holds U.S. citizenship. If he wants to immigrate but has no advanced degrees or special skills, the man could have his brother file a petition for an F4 visa, capped at 65,000 a year. The family will have to wait for a number to be assigned to the case before the visa application can be processed.

                      That wait is currently 23 years. According to the monthly Visa Bulletin published by the U.S. State Department, F4 visa applications filed in the Philippines before Aug. 22, 1988, are now being processed. If the family is from Mexico, the wait time is 15 years; wait times in China and India are now at 11 years.

                      "You can wait six years, 15 years or 20 years to come on a family visa," said President Tamar Jacoby of ImmigrationWorks USA, a coalition of pro-immigration business groups. "For a young, able-bodied man to look for work, he'd apply when he's 18 and come when he's 40.""

                      http://www.nfap.com/pdf/0505brief-family-immigration.pdf

                      So to use your situation as an example, if your wife had a sister or brother wanting to immigrate to the US, it would take them about 10yrs to get approval.

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                      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                      @sadbrownsfan said:

                      The current issue for legal immigrations is it costs a lot, both in money and time, which most people looking to immigrate don't have.

                      http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-24/legal-immigration-usa/50895150/1

                      "Take a man from the Philippines with brother who holds U.S. citizenship. If he wants to immigrate but has no advanced degrees or special skills, the man could have his brother file a petition for an F4 visa, capped at 65,000 a year. The family will have to wait for a number to be assigned to the case before the visa application can be processed.

                      That wait is currently 23 years. According to the monthly Visa Bulletin published by the U.S. State Department, F4 visa applications filed in the Philippines before Aug. 22, 1988, are now being processed. If the family is from Mexico, the wait time is 15 years; wait times in China and India are now at 11 years.

                      "You can wait six years, 15 years or 20 years to come on a family visa," said President Tamar Jacoby of ImmigrationWorks USA, a coalition of pro-immigration business groups. "For a young, able-bodied man to look for work, he'd apply when he's 18 and come when he's 40.""

                      http://www.nfap.com/pdf/0505brief-family-immigration.pdf

                      So to use your situation as an example, if your wife had a sister or brother wanting to immigrate to the US, it would take them about 10yrs to get approval.

                      A coworker moved here from Pakistan in the late 90s. It has taken almost a decade to get his mother over here. Clean record, the whole bit, just Immigrations makes it a fucking bureaucratic nightmare. However, the same guy gets pretty heated if you mention people jumping the border and getting free access. There has to be immigration reform for people like my coworker who come here and actually offer something more than just being a low skilled manual laborer.

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                        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                        This whole thread is putting a downer on my ideas of moving to the US anytime soon, I didn't realise it was that difficult to get a visa. Not that I'm a minimum wage, manual labour kind, but it just sounds unnecessarily complicated.

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                          DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                          Just come over as a tourist and disappear after the 90 days. That way Obama will make you a great deal, plus you can get welfare, free health care and a path to quick citizenship.

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                            gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                            I would. but I don't speak Spanish 😉

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                              This whole thread is putting a downer on my ideas of moving to the US anytime soon, I didn't realise it was that difficult to get a visa. Not that I'm a minimum wage, manual labour kind, but it just sounds unnecessarily complicated.

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                              S sadbrownsfan wrote on last edited by
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                              @gftchris said:

                              This whole thread is putting a downer on my ideas of moving to the US anytime soon, I didn't realise it was that difficult to get a visa. Not that I'm a minimum wage, manual labour kind, but it just sounds unnecessarily complicated.

                              If you have a degree and meet whatever standards they set for "skilled worker" then it is a lot easier.

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                                While I do like the president's general overview of what he wants to fix, he doesn't really go into detail of how he wants to fix each area. http://www.whitehous...ues/immigration

                                immigration_social_520_2.jpg

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                                  MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                  I am guessing that would be way too much info for a pamphlet. It is also probably wise to not commit to anything too specific.

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                                    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by gftChris
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                                    "Require that undocumented immigrants pass national security and a criminal background check, pay taxes and a penalty, go to the back of the line and learn English before they can earn citizenship"

                                    This seems sensible, but when you have as large a border area as you do in the usa, you're always going to be vulnerable to illegal immigration. Until border control is toughened, you're going to struggle to keep everybody out.

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                                      @gftchris said:

                                      This whole thread is putting a downer on my ideas of moving to the US anytime soon, I didn't realise it was that difficult to get a visa. Not that I'm a minimum wage, manual labour kind, but it just sounds unnecessarily complicated.

                                      If you have a degree and meet whatever standards they set for "skilled worker" then it is a lot easier.

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                                      @sadbrownsfan said:

                                      If you have a degree and meet whatever standards they set for "skilled worker" then it is a lot easier.

                                      Allow me to venture an opinion that those chances are increased not by your degree nor skill set but by the simple fact that you are the type of person who has done what is necessary to achieve that degree and skill set.

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                                        @sadbrownsfan said:

                                        If you have a degree and meet whatever standards they set for "skilled worker" then it is a lot easier.

                                        Allow me to venture an opinion that those chances are increased not by your degree nor skill set but by the simple fact that you are the type of person who has done what is necessary to achieve that degree and skill set.

                                        WSS

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                                        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                        @westside-steve said:

                                        Allow me to venture an opinion that those chances are increased not by your degree nor skill set but by the simple fact that you are the type of person who has done what is necessary to achieve that degree and skill set.

                                        WSS

                                        OK so I'm 28, have a masters degree and have been in my current job a few years - good enough?

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                                          @westside-steve said:

                                          Allow me to venture an opinion that those chances are increased not by your degree nor skill set but by the simple fact that you are the type of person who has done what is necessary to achieve that degree and skill set.

                                          WSS

                                          OK so I'm 28, have a masters degree and have been in my current job a few years - good enough?

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                                          @gftchris said:

                                          OK so I'm 28, have a masters degree and have been in my current job a few years - good enough?

                                          again, yes, I think I was clear. You are the type of guy that does the work and completes the requirements to get a degree. I recall when I went to college the admissions hall walls papered with job opportunities from many different corporations. Most of them said plainly any degree. they basically want someone who has his shit together well enough to begin and complete a program.. That means if I took a Bachelor of Arts in theater sciences to Monsanto or 3M Or Dow chemical they'd be happy to give me an interview. I would assume they are not casting for Henry the fifth.

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