Watching this beatdown Den vs Sea
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So ergo- fire Lomdardi immediately, before he can screw up another draft? You're on to something- just go find the best cornerback in the NFL in the 5th round- about as good odds of finding Brady in the sixth.
Isn't that the same thing everyone is asking for us to do for a quarterback?
We have a great cornerback already. And a good stable of OLB's. And a good DL. And a good SS. Would you like to spend a first round pick on a #2 CB?
Isn't that the same thing everyone is asking for us to do for a quarterback?
We have a great cornerback already. And a good stable of OLB's. And a good DL. And a good SS. Would you like to spend a first round pick on a #2 CB?
No I wouldn't. TC. What I'm saying is Seattle pulled a rabbit out of the hat taking Sherman in the 5th round. I've always said I'd rather be lucky than good. The Browns have been monumentally unlucky in the qb department since1999.
I'll put this to you- where do the Browns fall short of having a truly dominating D? You alluded to coaching- I have a hard time buying that.
I reserve the right to change my mind- but I'm not seeing a Rodgers or Brees in this draft. So sure- load up on offense- right now I'm on board with Watkins @ #4, Tre Mason with the lower first rounder, and a OG- Lord knows Lavaou sucks, and the other guys aren't' much better -at the top of the second- or see if Garrapolo is the answer there. Hey, I'm not like Shep, and I'll be the first person here to eat crow if Manziel turns out to be the savior of the Browns.
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@mike-h said:
You're illiterate.
And you're done. You just proved you can't stand opposing opinions, even if they are by today's SB a damn good point of contention. Just remember, I can delete way faster than you can type- keep up with the name calling, and I'll have the higher authorities kick your ass off for good.
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Good. I've been trying diligently to avoid reading his arrogant, antagonistic drivel.
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Don't know what happened to him. Used to be a likable kid, now seems the degree has gone to his head.
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This game kinda makes me wish we waited for Quinn.
I like Quinn from his days in Florida, but I think we got a good coach. One very similar in style. I think we will win with Pettine.
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So ergo- fire Lomdardi immediately, before he can screw up another draft? You're on to something- just go find the best cornerback in the NFL in the 5th round- about as good odds of finding Brady in the sixth.
Isn't that the same thing everyone is asking for us to do for a quarterback?
We have a great cornerback already. And a good stable of OLB's. And a good DL. And a good SS. Would you like to spend a first round pick on a #2 CB?
We have a great cornerback already. And a good stable of OLB's. And a good DL. And a good SS.
Interesting choice of words vs. the running theme (hype?) of the 'Hawks having more great defensive players on D than you can count.
Real question is can Pettine & Co. meld a collection of good Defenders into a great Defense? Apparently Carroll and Quinn managed to do so. Horton could not. Jauron got close.
What I'm saying is Seattle pulled a rabbit out of the hat taking Sherman in the 5th round. I've always said I'd rather be lucky than good.
And what I always say is I'd rather be both...
I think you are over playing the "luck" angle. Sherman was a injured PAC 10 (12?) player with limited DB experience (having started out as a WR at Stanford) that Pete Carroll tried to recruit to USC. All that adds up to just the kind of "educated guess" organizations who excel make every year.
Maybe Coleman Cox said it best...
"I am a great believer in Luck. The harder I work, the more of it I seem to have."
Then again... maybe Coleman was talking about Andrew Luck...
... I can delete way faster than you can type- keep up with the name calling, and I'll have the higher authorities kick your ass off for good.
Whew... couldn't find Mike's original posts... I thought I was going blind for a moment.
Couple comments h... It's not like mik's never insulted anyone here. It's not like mik can't take it.
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I like Quinn from his days in Florida, but I think we got a good coach. One very similar in style. I think we will win with Pettine.
No doubt, I'm not down on Pettine and as hopeful as anyone else, but Quinn proved he was winner (which is what Haslam wanted) when his defense shut down the highest-ranked offense in NFL history.
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Isn't that the same thing everyone is asking for us to do for a quarterback?
We have a great cornerback already. And a good stable of OLB's. And a good DL. And a good SS. Would you like to spend a first round pick on a #2 CB?
No I wouldn't. TC. What I'm saying is Seattle pulled a rabbit out of the hat taking Sherman in the 5th round. I've always said I'd rather be lucky than good. The Browns have been monumentally unlucky in the qb department since1999.
I'll put this to you- where do the Browns fall short of having a truly dominating D? You alluded to coaching- I have a hard time buying that.
I reserve the right to change my mind- but I'm not seeing a Rodgers or Brees in this draft. So sure- load up on offense- right now I'm on board with Watkins @ #4, Tre Mason with the lower first rounder, and a OG- Lord knows Lavaou sucks, and the other guys aren't' much better -at the top of the second- or see if Garrapolo is the answer there. Hey, I'm not like Shep, and I'll be the first person here to eat crow if Manziel turns out to be the savior of the Browns.
I'll put this to you- where do the Browns fall short of having a truly dominating D? You alluded to coaching- I have a hard time buying that.
I'll take a shot at this one... ILB and FS. Dominating defenses always have dominating players at these two positions... (Lewis/Reed, Wagner/Thomas, Farrior/Foote/Polumalu)... Who do we have?? Jackson - a mediocre LB, and Tashaun Gipson...?
These are the two positions on D where I am looking to upgrade if I'm Pettine and the FO...
Compare our D to Seattle's... you'll find that our D-line is better, talent-wise. Our secondary is only missing a FS comparable to E.Thomas (only?? right). Our LBs are comparable, but if we run a 3-4 we will need 2 ILBs to fill in spots that can match Wagner/Smith play...
If we add players at those 2 positions, and can't be at least "close to dominant" then it is certainly on the coaches...
#Justsayin' -
As to Mik calling Wilson a "game Manager" is the dumbest thing he's ever posted...I guess he missed the part where HOF QB Troy Aikman said about Wilson being much more than a game manager and making the throws he needed to make to win the game...in other words.. per Troy Aikman "you cant get your team to the super bowl by being a game manager" I guess Mik missed those great throws Wilson made on 3rd down to keep drives alive...Keep at it buddy...drink more booze like your buddy TC.
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I'll put this to you- where do the Browns fall short of having a truly dominating D? You alluded to coaching- I have a hard time buying that.
I'll take a shot at this one... ILB and FS. Dominating defenses always have dominating players at these two positions... (Lewis/Reed, Wagner/Thomas, Farrior/Foote/Polumalu)... Who do we have?? Jackson - a mediocre LB, and Tashaun Gipson...?
These are the two positions on D where I am looking to upgrade if I'm Pettine and the FO...
Compare our D to Seattle's... you'll find that our D-line is better, talent-wise. Our secondary is only missing a FS comparable to E.Thomas (only?? right). Our LBs are comparable, but if we run a 3-4 we will need 2 ILBs to fill in spots that can match Wagner/Smith play...
If we add players at those 2 positions, and can't be at least "close to dominant" then it is certainly on the coaches...
I'll take a shot at this one... ILB and FS. Dominating defenses always have dominating players at these two positions... (Lewis/Reed, Wagner/Thomas, Farrior/Foote/Polumalu)... Who do we have?? Jackson - a mediocre LB, and Tashaun Gipson...?
These are the two positions on D where I am looking to upgrade if I'm Pettine and the FO...
Compare our D to Seattle's... you'll find that our D-line is better, talent-wise. Our secondary is only missing a FS comparable to E.Thomas (only?? right). Our LBs are comparable, but if we run a 3-4 we will need 2 ILBs to fill in spots that can match Wagner/Smith play...
If we add players at those 2 positions, and can't be at least "close to dominant" then it is certainly on the coaches...
Seattles LB's arent theyre strength but I agree..DQ...as much as I love his heart is average at best.
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I'll put this to you- where do the Browns fall short of having a truly dominating D? You alluded to coaching- I have a hard time buying that.
I'll take a shot at this one... ILB and FS. Dominating defenses always have dominating players at these two positions... (Lewis/Reed, Wagner/Thomas, Farrior/Foote/Polumalu)... Who do we have?? Jackson - a mediocre LB, and Tashaun Gipson...?
These are the two positions on D where I am looking to upgrade if I'm Pettine and the FO...
Compare our D to Seattle's... you'll find that our D-line is better, talent-wise. Our secondary is only missing a FS comparable to E.Thomas (only?? right). Our LBs are comparable, but if we run a 3-4 we will need 2 ILBs to fill in spots that can match Wagner/Smith play...
If we add players at those 2 positions, and can't be at least "close to dominant" then it is certainly on the coaches...
I'll take a shot at this one... ILB and FS. Dominating defenses always have dominating players at these two positions... (Lewis/Reed, Wagner/Thomas, Farrior/Foote/Polumalu)... Who do we have?? Jackson - a mediocre LB, and Tashaun Gipson...?
These are the two positions on D where I am looking to upgrade if I'm Pettine and the FO...
Compare our D to Seattle's... you'll find that our D-line is better, talent-wise. Our secondary is only missing a FS comparable to E.Thomas (only?? right). Our LBs are comparable, but if we run a 3-4 we will need 2 ILBs to fill in spots that can match Wagner/Smith play...
If we add players at those 2 positions, and can't be at least "close to dominant" then it is certainly on the coaches...
I forgot to mention. On the other side of a dominant defense, is always an "efficient" offense. Take that for whatever it's worth.
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This game kinda makes me wish we waited for Quinn.
Didn't fit our profile.
Jimmy preached "patience" when he took over ... then fired his first coach in 11 months.
Then he preached "patience" while he took a month to replace him ... then grabbed 4-12 Buffalo's DC instead of waiting two more weeks for the DC of best team in the land.
Because if we waited two weeks we would have lost out on all those assistants we have hired ... all of Pettine's buddies and that unemployed Kenny Loggins guy.
Zombo
--Think of the splash we'd be be making today if we were hiring Dan Quinn ... again, doesn't fit our profile ... but it would be nice to be cool for a day.
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And Quinn was interested.... weird.
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It's ok, we'll get him next year.
They will have to wait until after the superbowl again
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This game kinda makes me wish we waited for Quinn.
Didn't fit our profile.
Jimmy preached "patience" when he took over ... then fired his first coach in 11 months.
Then he preached "patience" while he took a month to replace him ... then grabbed 4-12 Buffalo's DC instead of waiting two more weeks for the DC of best team in the land.
Because if we waited two weeks we would have lost out on all those assistants we have hired ... all of Pettine's buddies and that unemployed Kenny Loggins guy.
Zombo
--Think of the splash we'd be be making today if we were hiring Dan Quinn ... again, doesn't fit our profile ... but it would be nice to be cool for a day.
Zombo said:
Then he preached "patience" while he took a month to replace him ... then grabbed 4-12 Buffalo's DC instead of waiting two more weeks for the DC of best team in the land.
And he preached "proven winner," then chose the guy from the losing team instead of the guy who has now won a Super Bowl.
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I like Quinn.
But you realize that is Carroll's defense, right?
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I'll put this to you- where do the Browns fall short of having a truly dominating D? You alluded to coaching- I have a hard time buying that.
I'll take a shot at this one... ILB and FS. Dominating defenses always have dominating players at these two positions... (Lewis/Reed, Wagner/Thomas, Farrior/Foote/Polumalu)... Who do we have?? Jackson - a mediocre LB, and Tashaun Gipson...?
These are the two positions on D where I am looking to upgrade if I'm Pettine and the FO...
Compare our D to Seattle's... you'll find that our D-line is better, talent-wise. Our secondary is only missing a FS comparable to E.Thomas (only?? right). Our LBs are comparable, but if we run a 3-4 we will need 2 ILBs to fill in spots that can match Wagner/Smith play...
If we add players at those 2 positions, and can't be at least "close to dominant" then it is certainly on the coaches...
Yup... but I am sure Quinn helped some...
I'll take a shot at this one... ILB and FS. Dominating defenses always have dominating players at these two positions... (Lewis/Reed, Wagner/Thomas, Farrior/Foote/Polumalu)... Who do we have?? Jackson - a mediocre LB, and Tashaun Gipson...?
These are the two positions on D where I am looking to upgrade if I'm Pettine and the FO...
Compare our D to Seattle's... you'll find that our D-line is better, talent-wise. Our secondary is only missing a FS comparable to E.Thomas (only?? right). Our LBs are comparable, but if we run a 3-4 we will need 2 ILBs to fill in spots that can match Wagner/Smith play...
If we add players at those 2 positions, and can't be at least "close to dominant" then it is certainly on the coaches...
I think it just may be that easy, 23.... but for it to be, I think we have to go back to the 4-3.
Totally agree on the ILBs, but we also do not have a true, 3-down , 3-4 OLB on the roster. Go back to the 4-3 and both Sheard and Kruger go back to being pass pressure generating DEs while Mingo becomes a full time OLB on one side and DW returns to being the same on the other side.
As to Mik calling Wilson a "game Manager" is the dumbest thing he's ever posted...
Pour one for me as well then, cause I thought game manager was the perfect description of Wilson's performance.
Other than the Wheezy like backhand ball he threw early while his adrenaline was undoubtedly off the charts, I am hard pressed to recall a single pass that a Denver defender had any shot at touching let alone intercepting. That is taking care of the ball...
The problem is folks like you seem to think the term is some kind of insult... when in fact it is anything but... at least it is when I say it.
And do you really want to cite Aikman as a source? Your choice, but remember the time when Troy said Wilson passed up "a shot" downfield when he scrambled right? Another time when Troy wondered aloud why Wilson eschewed a shot at a "wide open" WR down the left sideline "maybe because he did not think he had enough arm to get the ball to him"? Both, my friend, are instances of what I would call "game management."
It's ok, we'll get him next year.
LMAO...
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