Hoyer trade rumor
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The truth is this organization has been a shit tornado since 99 so you really can't go back and claim we should have drafted so and so. Chances are if we'd had taken Roethlisberger and Pittsburgh taken Winslow then Roelisberger would probably be an unemployed never was and Winslow might be considered one of the greats.
It varies by position but most of the time it takes an exceptional player to transcend a failing organizations limitations.
It's a team game, not the NBA, most successful draft picks are put into the right scenario the right system with a strong supporting cast to supplement their talents.
Our high selections have been at a disadvantage off the bat since 99 because this organization is a shit storm, they could be golden but sooner or later they'll be swallowed up in this storm and covered in shit.
"All Truth Passes Through Three stages. First, It Is Ridiculed, Second It Is Violently Opposed, And Third, It Is Accepted As Self-Evident" ~Arthur Schopenhauer -
They wouldn't be moving the #1 for him, they would be moving the #1 for him plus.
The Trade Value chart says that the #1 overall pick is worth 3000 pts.
#4 overall is worth 1800.
So, we trade #4.....that is 1800. The DATs would want another 1200 in value. What value does Hoyer bring to chop from that 1200 pt. deficit? Even the #26 pick only chops 700.
Hell, they would probably want Hoyer, #4, #26 and then some.
I wouldn't do it.....but I don't trust Lombardi not to be so stupid.
He was talking about picking #1 AND #4 though, giving them #26 and whatever other picks.
@mike-h said:
I like Hoyer, but I would love it just to hear the crying.
So your Masters is in Sadomasochism?
He was talking about picking #1 AND #4 though, giving them #26 and whatever other picks.
Be still my heart...
I know some of you think that there are no franchise qbs in this class, but if Bridgewater/ Bortles don't prove the skeptics wrong I'll eat a clump of my own hair.
Pubic?
Foles because people mistook his 40 time for a lack of mobility... and he's actually plenty mobile and athletic.
Welcome back, stranger...
I thought the knock on Foles was a "party-boy/ work-ethic" thing.
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I wonder how many teams that draft in the top 10 just about every year have gone since 1999 without drafting a top 10 quarterback? That's like 15 drafts ago.
Generally when you suck, it means you don't have a quarterback. And you should draft the best one you can because without a great one, nothing else much matters.
THAT'S the Browns biggest problem. They've had corners and centers and RBs and WRs and pass rushers and just about everything else... but never a great QB.
Also wonder if we're last in Passer Rating over that time. We have to be in the bottom few.
I wonder how many teams that draft in the top 10 just about every year have gone since 1999 without drafting a top 10 quarterback? That's like 15 drafts ago.
Generally when you suck, it means you don't have a quarterback. And you should draft the best one you can because without a great one, nothing else much matters.
THAT'S the Browns biggest problem. They've had corners and centers and RBs and WRs and pass rushers and just about everything else... but never a great QB.
Also wonder if we're last in Passer Rating over that time. We have to be in the bottom few.
They've had exactly one pro bowl corner- Haden, one of the few good picks they've made. The RBs were FAs or trades. Willie Green ring a bell? How about Travis Prentice? Got a good year or two out of Butterfingers Brayon and Knieviel Winslow- that doesn't make up for Mohammed Massive Drop, or Slowbiski. The Browns have made exactly one other solid pick at draft position- Joe Thomas, and one "steal" Josh Gordon. I expect better. No qb? Because Butchie had a serious hardon for Knieviel, when he should have taken Ben? Or we take Butterfingers instead of Rodgers? Sorry, we've had multiple opportunities- and not just in the first round to rectify the qb situation.
The truth is this organization has been a shit tornado since 99 so you really can't go back and claim we should have drafted so and so. Chances are if we'd had taken Roethlisberger and Pittsburgh taken Winslow then Roelisberger would probably be an unemployed never was and Winslow might be considered one of the greats. It varies by position but most of the time it takes an exceptional player to transcend a failing organizations limitations. It's a team game, not the NBA, most successful draft picks are put into the right scenario the right system with a strong supporting cast to supplement their talents. Our high selections have been at a disadvantage off the bat since 99 because this organization is a shit storm, they could be golden but sooner or later they'll be swallowed up in this storm and covered in shit.
To a point- Joe Thomas has made the Pro Bowl every year he's been in the league- though really he didn't deserve it this year. Haden and Gordon made it out of the muck this year too, and deservedly so.
But it's the same reason Jack Ham is in the HOF and Clay Matthews isn't. Switch teams and Clay is in long ago, and Ham isn't.
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Yeah...good idea. Trade the only qb that the team responded to since 1999, along with our other draft picks to pick a Colt McCoy clone first overall. Yep...that will insure that we'll get the first pick in 2015, too. That way we can screw all these #1 draft picks up, and continue with our tradition. IDIOTS!!
how is Manziel a McCoy clone? Manziel has a much better arm and better mobility. While I agree that trading up to land him would be questionable at best, if this FO believes they have to trade up to land 'their guy', regardless of who it may be, then they have to make the trade.
Okay...I really don't know how good Manziel will be, but the point is...nobody does. Hoyer is unproven, also, for the most part, but he has won 2 games in the NFL. My approach would be to stay at #4, and see who is available. I wouldn't even draft a qb at #4...I would wait until the second round. or later. Every year there is someone who comes up big in the later rounds. If Lomardi is such a genius, let him figure out who that is. I can't believe, that if you do the research you can't have a good draft. The problem here is that nobody does the actual work it takes to find the guy. They just go through the motions....they're not going to be held accountable anyway. If we trade Hoyer, then here we are...again...Weeden, Campbell, a rookie or maybe Kirk Cousins instead of Campbell. I can't really get too excited about that.how is Manziel a McCoy clone? Manziel has a much better arm and better mobility. While I agree that trading up to land him would be questionable at best, if this FO believes they have to trade up to land 'their guy', regardless of who it may be, then they have to make the trade.
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I wonder how many teams that draft in the top 10 just about every year have gone since 1999 without drafting a top 10 quarterback? That's like 15 drafts ago.
Generally when you suck, it means you don't have a quarterback. And you should draft the best one you can because without a great one, nothing else much matters.
THAT'S the Browns biggest problem. They've had corners and centers and RBs and WRs and pass rushers and just about everything else... but never a great QB.
Also wonder if we're last in Passer Rating over that time. We have to be in the bottom few.
They've had exactly one pro bowl corner- Haden, one of the few good picks they've made. The RBs were FAs or trades. Willie Green ring a bell? How about Travis Prentice? Got a good year or two out of Butterfingers Brayon and Knieviel Winslow- that doesn't make up for Mohammed Massive Drop, or Slowbiski. The Browns have made exactly one other solid pick at draft position- Joe Thomas, and one "steal" Josh Gordon. I expect better. No qb? Because Butchie had a serious hardon for Knieviel, when he should have taken Ben? Or we take Butterfingers instead of Rodgers? Sorry, we've had multiple opportunities- and not just in the first round to rectify the qb situation.
The truth is this organization has been a shit tornado since 99 so you really can't go back and claim we should have drafted so and so. Chances are if we'd had taken Roethlisberger and Pittsburgh taken Winslow then Roelisberger would probably be an unemployed never was and Winslow might be considered one of the greats. It varies by position but most of the time it takes an exceptional player to transcend a failing organizations limitations. It's a team game, not the NBA, most successful draft picks are put into the right scenario the right system with a strong supporting cast to supplement their talents. Our high selections have been at a disadvantage off the bat since 99 because this organization is a shit storm, they could be golden but sooner or later they'll be swallowed up in this storm and covered in shit.
To a point- Joe Thomas has made the Pro Bowl every year he's been in the league- though really he didn't deserve it this year. Haden and Gordon made it out of the muck this year too, and deservedly so.
But it's the same reason Jack Ham is in the HOF and Clay Matthews isn't. Switch teams and Clay is in long ago, and Ham isn't.
They've had exactly one pro bowl corner- Haden, one of the few good picks they've made. The RBs were FAs or trades. Willie Green ring a bell? How about Travis Prentice? Got a good year or two out of Butterfingers Brayon and Knieviel Winslow- that doesn't make up for Mohammed Massive Drop, or Slowbiski. The Browns have made exactly one other solid pick at draft position- Joe Thomas, and one "steal" Josh Gordon. I expect better. No qb? Because Butchie had a serious hardon for Knieviel, when he should have taken Ben? Or we take Butterfingers instead of Rodgers? Sorry, we've had multiple opportunities- and not just in the first round to rectify the qb situation.
To a point- Joe Thomas has made the Pro Bowl every year he's been in the league- though really he didn't deserve it this year. Haden and Gordon made it out of the muck this year too, and deservedly so.
But it's the same reason Jack Ham is in the HOF and Clay Matthews isn't. Switch teams and Clay is in long ago, and Ham isn't.
If Manziel shares this same kind of reasoning, I'd not be surprised at all if he pulls an Elway/Eli if the Browns draft him.
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They've had exactly one pro bowl corner- Haden, one of the few good picks they've made. The RBs were FAs or trades. Willie Green ring a bell? How about Travis Prentice? Got a good year or two out of Butterfingers Brayon and Knieviel Winslow- that doesn't make up for Mohammed Massive Drop, or Slowbiski. The Browns have made exactly one other solid pick at draft position- Joe Thomas, and one "steal" Josh Gordon. I expect better. No qb? Because Butchie had a serious hardon for Knieviel, when he should have taken Ben? Or we take Butterfingers instead of Rodgers? Sorry, we've had multiple opportunities- and not just in the first round to rectify the qb situation.
To a point- Joe Thomas has made the Pro Bowl every year he's been in the league- though really he didn't deserve it this year. Haden and Gordon made it out of the muck this year too, and deservedly so.
But it's the same reason Jack Ham is in the HOF and Clay Matthews isn't. Switch teams and Clay is in long ago, and Ham isn't.
If Manziel shares this same kind of reasoning, I'd not be surprised at all if he pulls an Elway/Eli if the Browns draft him.
If Manziel shares this same kind of reasoning, I'd not be surprised at all if he pulls an Elway/Eli if the Browns draft him.
I'd imagine it would be tougher for a bust in New York City then in Cleveland...
Maybe Houston would hang in there longer before they booed him off the field...
WSS
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Proven fact that a huge part of the Browns problems since 1999 have been atrocious draft day decisions, I won't reiterate them, but I'll be happy to point out the future Hall of Famers and multiple Pro Bowl selections that were still within easy reach when we drafted if you'd like. .
The rest of your statement is a non-sequitur. However, Lombardi (Mr Shit track record drafter) may continue the trend.
Now kindly kindly answer how many of the Browns defense would have a shot at starting on Seattle's. I say damn few.
The schemes are different, but here goes:
Mingo, Sheard and Kruger could all start over at weak side linebacker over Malcolm Smith. All had similar stat lines and played nearly the same amount.
Ward would start over Chancellor. Better stats, similar playing time.
Haden would start at #2, based on stats. But, because of the scheme they run, he wouldn't be considered in a trade. He's simply too small.
Rubin would start on the interior over either Mebane or McDonald. Better stat line.
Desmond Bryant would also get some playing time on the interior.
Those Pro Bowlers and Hall of Famers were available for many other teams as well. As a matter of fact, essentially every Pro Bowler and Hall of Famer not taken in the first round was passed over by every team at least once. So, by that reasoning, every team's scouting department sucks.
Mingo, Sheard and Kruger could all start over at weak side linebacker over Malcolm Smith. All had similar stat lines and played nearly the same amount.
Agree that the different schemes complicate the comparison, but I think your definition of "similar" needs work...
Smith in 15 games ( 8 starts) had 1.0 sack - 2 INTs - 6 PDs - 47 Tkls - 30 Assts - 1 FF
Kruger in 16 games (16 starts) had 4.5 sacks - 0 INTs - 5 PDs - 26 Tkls - 21 Assts - 2 FF
Sheard in 13 games (13 starts) had 5.5 sacks - 0 INTs - 4 PDs - 19 Tkls - 17 Assts - 1 FF
Generally when you suck, it means you don't have a quarterback. And you should draft the best one you can because without a great one, nothing else much matters.
Let us begin again...
Which means burning a #1 year after year after year until you get your guy... and by then the rest of your team is crap.
No thanks...
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This is the closest thing I've come across so far :
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/02/will_the_browns_trade_for_kirk.html
I like Hoyer, and I think he's got the infamous "it" factor
He's definitely the only QB I've seen spark the Team and lead come from behind victories in some years.
I don't know what anyone else has been hearing, but I've seen what I'd normally say is some crazy stuff.
There's new thinking in town though now, we've seen that for sure this year with the Trent deal and the shopping of Gordon . . .
So we've got Hoyer to the Texans, and possibly more (draft pick/another player)
Cousins coming to the Browns due to our just signing Shanahan as our OC since they've worked together
There's a Haden rumor for additional draft picks floating around
Word is Mack's gone (pretty much expected), and Ward may get the Franchise tag.
Possibly some more, but these are the closest to being remotely possible.
Can't say it's going to be boring with all these things kicking up, should be interesting to see how it shakes out.
3/11/14 is when things should start to get real as far as cuts/trades I believe . . . we'll see.
I like Hoyer, and I think he's got the infamous "it" factor
I don't know what anyone else has been hearing, but I've seen what I'd normally say is some crazy stuff.
There's new thinking in town though now, we've seen that for sure this year with the Trent deal and the shopping of Gordon . . .
Agree on the "it" factor... the force in that one is the strongest I have felt since Brian Sipe.
However, I still do not buy that we shopped Gordon around... listening is different than shopping.
@mike-h said:
Hoyer is still unproven. Going into the season with him and a third-later round pick is such a bigger risk than evaluating all of the top QBs and taking their No. 1 talent.
But to do so without the imposition of a minumum standard for that No. 1 QB is the biggest risk of all.
Just another way of phrasing the injection "need" into draft decisions, Mike.
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The truth is this organization has been a shit tornado since 99 so you really can't go back and claim we should have drafted so and so. Chances are if we'd had taken Roethlisberger and Pittsburgh taken Winslow then Roelisberger would probably be an unemployed never was and Winslow might be considered one of the greats.
It varies by position but most of the time it takes an exceptional player to transcend a failing organizations limitations.
It's a team game, not the NBA, most successful draft picks are put into the right scenario the right system with a strong supporting cast to supplement their talents.
Our high selections have been at a disadvantage off the bat since 99 because this organization is a shit storm, they could be golden but sooner or later they'll be swallowed up in this storm and covered in shit.
The truth is this organization has been a shit tornado since 99 so you really can't go back and claim we should have drafted so and so. Chances are if we'd had taken Roethlisberger and Pittsburgh taken Winslow then Roelisberger would probably be an unemployed never was and Winslow might be considered one of the greats. It varies by position but most of the time it takes an exceptional player to transcend a failing organizations limitations. It's a team game, not the NBA, most successful draft picks are put into the right scenario the right system with a strong supporting cast to supplement their talents. Our high selections have been at a disadvantage off the bat since 99 because this organization is a shit storm, they could be golden but sooner or later they'll be swallowed up in this storm and covered in shit.
What a "shitty" post...
Agree on the Rothlesberger take...
Like it or not Pittsburgh had a much better team to put around Ben than we had at that time. Ben's rookie performance (which was much different than the Pass-happy one he has grown into) was the final piece of that particular puzzle.
Side note: It is interesting how many times the right QB is the final piece. In this case an 11th overall pick that did not start until Week 3.
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Although I am not a Browns fan, I do listen to WKNR radio during the mornings and afternoons(Rizzo & Goldhammer) when my favorite Baltimore sports radio show ends. I listen because I do enjoy their entertainment and insight. With that said, I do like to follow all things NFL, and especially the AFC North Division since I am a Ravens fan.Lately, I have been hearing rumblings about the Browns potentially trading Hoyer and picks to move up to 1st pick in the draft to select Johnny Manziel. With that said, I would like to make two things known. Number 1, I don't really think Manziel is that great of a quarterback...and with that, I don't think he is the right quarterback for the Cleveland Browns or the AFC North black and blue division. Number 2, since when was Brian Hoyer worth a hoot? I mean he has a 2 game resume (which includes beating the freaking Vikings). Why would anyone think the Texans would make that trade (saying Hoyer is their quarterback of the future?) I know the whole Bill O'Brien connection, but that's more smoke than fire.I wanted everyone's opinion on Manziel, the Browns and Hoyer because I just can't see how anyone who is a smart football person would sit here and say "Browns don't need to necessarily draft a QB in the 1st round, as they have Hoyer)...c'mon man! And with that said, why on earth would the Texans want a guy with no resume? He's Matt Flynn...and hows that worked out?I know most of you will be like "F this guy, hes a Ravens fan", but honestly, I would like to see the Browns competitive and relevant. I understand your sorrows as I am an Orioles fan and we deal with very similar issues and concerns.Look forward to hearing from everyone, later.
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Although I am not a Browns fan, I do listen to WKNR radio during the mornings and afternoons(Rizzo & Goldhammer) when my favorite Baltimore sports radio show ends. I listen because I do enjoy their entertainment and insight. With that said, I do like to follow all things NFL, and especially the AFC North Division since I am a Ravens fan.Lately, I have been hearing rumblings about the Browns potentially trading Hoyer and picks to move up to 1st pick in the draft to select Johnny Manziel. With that said, I would like to make two things known. Number 1, I don't really think Manziel is that great of a quarterback...and with that, I don't think he is the right quarterback for the Cleveland Browns or the AFC North black and blue division. Number 2, since when was Brian Hoyer worth a hoot? I mean he has a 2 game resume (which includes beating the freaking Vikings). Why would anyone think the Texans would make that trade (saying Hoyer is their quarterback of the future?) I know the whole Bill O'Brien connection, but that's more smoke than fire.I wanted everyone's opinion on Manziel, the Browns and Hoyer because I just can't see how anyone who is a smart football person would sit here and say "Browns don't need to necessarily draft a QB in the 1st round, as they have Hoyer)...c'mon man! And with that said, why on earth would the Texans want a guy with no resume? He's Matt Flynn...and hows that worked out?I know most of you will be like "F this guy, hes a Ravens fan", but honestly, I would like to see the Browns competitive and relevant. I understand your sorrows as I am an Orioles fan and we deal with very similar issues and concerns.Look forward to hearing from everyone, later.
Ravens5220 said:
Although I am not a Browns fan, I do listen to WKNR radio during the mornings and afternoons(Rizzo & Goldhammer) when my favorite Baltimore sports radio show ends. I listen because I do enjoy their entertainment and insight. With that said, I do like to follow all things NFL, and especially the AFC North Division since I am a Ravens fan.Lately, I have been hearing rumblings about the Browns potentially trading Hoyer and picks to move up to 1st pick in the draft to select Johnny Manziel. With that said, I would like to make two things known. Number 1, I don't really think Manziel is that great of a quarterback...and with that, I don't think he is the right quarterback for the Cleveland Browns or the AFC North black and blue division. Number 2, since when was Brian Hoyer worth a hoot? I mean he has a 2 game resume (which includes beating the freaking Vikings). Why would anyone think the Texans would make that trade (saying Hoyer is their quarterback of the future?) I know the whole Bill O'Brien connection, but that's more smoke than fire.I wanted everyone's opinion on Manziel, the Browns and Hoyer because I just can't see how anyone who is a smart football person would sit here and say "Browns don't need to necessarily draft a QB in the 1st round, as they have Hoyer)...c'mon man! And with that said, why on earth would the Texans want a guy with no resume? He's Matt Flynn...and hows that worked out?I know most of you will be like "F this guy, hes a Ravens fan", but honestly, I would like to see the Browns competitive and relevant. I understand your sorrows as I am an Orioles fan and we deal with very similar issues and concerns.Look forward to hearing from everyone, later.Were we competitive and relevant when we wiped the floor with you in November?
Zombo
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Ravens5220 said:
Although I am not a Browns fan, I do listen to WKNR radio during the mornings and afternoons(Rizzo & Goldhammer) when my favorite Baltimore sports radio show ends. I listen because I do enjoy their entertainment and insight. With that said, I do like to follow all things NFL, and especially the AFC North Division since I am a Ravens fan.Lately, I have been hearing rumblings about the Browns potentially trading Hoyer and picks to move up to 1st pick in the draft to select Johnny Manziel. With that said, I would like to make two things known. Number 1, I don't really think Manziel is that great of a quarterback...and with that, I don't think he is the right quarterback for the Cleveland Browns or the AFC North black and blue division. Number 2, since when was Brian Hoyer worth a hoot? I mean he has a 2 game resume (which includes beating the freaking Vikings). Why would anyone think the Texans would make that trade (saying Hoyer is their quarterback of the future?) I know the whole Bill O'Brien connection, but that's more smoke than fire.I wanted everyone's opinion on Manziel, the Browns and Hoyer because I just can't see how anyone who is a smart football person would sit here and say "Browns don't need to necessarily draft a QB in the 1st round, as they have Hoyer)...c'mon man! And with that said, why on earth would the Texans want a guy with no resume? He's Matt Flynn...and hows that worked out?I know most of you will be like "F this guy, hes a Ravens fan", but honestly, I would like to see the Browns competitive and relevant. I understand your sorrows as I am an Orioles fan and we deal with very similar issues and concerns.Look forward to hearing from everyone, later.Were we competitive and relevant when we wiped the floor with you in November?
Zombo
Zombo said:
Were we competitive and relevant when we wiped the floor with you in November?
Zombo
I figured someone would bring that up eventually? I didn't intend for this to be about banter and back and forth argument...(cuz you'll never win) but I wanted serious discussion on the topic.
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Although I am not a Browns fan, I do listen to WKNR radio during the mornings and afternoons(Rizzo & Goldhammer) when my favorite Baltimore sports radio show ends. I listen because I do enjoy their entertainment and insight. With that said, I do like to follow all things NFL, and especially the AFC North Division since I am a Ravens fan.Lately, I have been hearing rumblings about the Browns potentially trading Hoyer and picks to move up to 1st pick in the draft to select Johnny Manziel. With that said, I would like to make two things known. Number 1, I don't really think Manziel is that great of a quarterback...and with that, I don't think he is the right quarterback for the Cleveland Browns or the AFC North black and blue division. Number 2, since when was Brian Hoyer worth a hoot? I mean he has a 2 game resume (which includes beating the freaking Vikings). Why would anyone think the Texans would make that trade (saying Hoyer is their quarterback of the future?) I know the whole Bill O'Brien connection, but that's more smoke than fire.I wanted everyone's opinion on Manziel, the Browns and Hoyer because I just can't see how anyone who is a smart football person would sit here and say "Browns don't need to necessarily draft a QB in the 1st round, as they have Hoyer)...c'mon man! And with that said, why on earth would the Texans want a guy with no resume? He's Matt Flynn...and hows that worked out?I know most of you will be like "F this guy, hes a Ravens fan", but honestly, I would like to see the Browns competitive and relevant. I understand your sorrows as I am an Orioles fan and we deal with very similar issues and concerns.Look forward to hearing from everyone, later.
Ravens5220 said:
Although I am not a Browns fan, I do listen to WKNR radio during the mornings and afternoons(Rizzo & Goldhammer) when my favorite Baltimore sports radio show ends. I listen because I do enjoy their entertainment and insight. With that said, I do like to follow all things NFL, and especially the AFC North Division since I am a Ravens fan.Lately, I have been hearing rumblings about the Browns potentially trading Hoyer and picks to move up to 1st pick in the draft to select Johnny Manziel. With that said, I would like to make two things known. Number 1, I don't really think Manziel is that great of a quarterback...and with that, I don't think he is the right quarterback for the Cleveland Browns or the AFC North black and blue division. Number 2, since when was Brian Hoyer worth a hoot? I mean he has a 2 game resume (which includes beating the freaking Vikings). Why would anyone think the Texans would make that trade (saying Hoyer is their quarterback of the future?) I know the whole Bill O'Brien connection, but that's more smoke than fire.I wanted everyone's opinion on Manziel, the Browns and Hoyer because I just can't see how anyone who is a smart football person would sit here and say "Browns don't need to necessarily draft a QB in the 1st round, as they have Hoyer)...c'mon man! And with that said, why on earth would the Texans want a guy with no resume? He's Matt Flynn...and hows that worked out?I know most of you will be like "F this guy, hes a Ravens fan", but honestly, I would like to see the Browns competitive and relevant. I understand your sorrows as I am an Orioles fan and we deal with very similar issues and concerns.Look forward to hearing from everyone, later.What part of the Baltimore area are you from? (I ask because my nephew lives in Baltimore)
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Zombo said:
Were we competitive and relevant when we wiped the floor with you in November?
Zombo
I figured someone would bring that up eventually? I didn't intend for this to be about banter and back and forth argument...(cuz you'll never win) but I wanted serious discussion on the topic.
Ravens5220 said:
I figured someone would bring that up eventually? I didn't intend for this to be about banter and back and forth argument...(cuz you'll never win) but I wanted serious discussion on the topic.
Neither team made the playoffs.....so they were each equally competitive and relevent.
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Zombo said:
Were we competitive and relevant when we wiped the floor with you in November?
Zombo
I figured someone would bring that up eventually? I didn't intend for this to be about banter and back and forth argument...(cuz you'll never win) but I wanted serious discussion on the topic.
Ravens5220 said:
I figured someone would bring that up eventually? I didn't intend for this to be about banter and back and forth argument...(cuz you'll never win) but I wanted serious discussion on the topic.
No ... I'm dead serious ... the last time our two football teams played we beat you.
We had Jason Cambell, you had Joe Flacco.
Obviously we have a better roster than Baltimore. The right quarterback will make us a contender immediately. Does that answer your question?
Zombo
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Ravens5220 said:
Although I am not a Browns fan, I do listen to WKNR radio during the mornings and afternoons(Rizzo & Goldhammer) when my favorite Baltimore sports radio show ends. I listen because I do enjoy their entertainment and insight. With that said, I do like to follow all things NFL, and especially the AFC North Division since I am a Ravens fan.Lately, I have been hearing rumblings about the Browns potentially trading Hoyer and picks to move up to 1st pick in the draft to select Johnny Manziel. With that said, I would like to make two things known. Number 1, I don't really think Manziel is that great of a quarterback...and with that, I don't think he is the right quarterback for the Cleveland Browns or the AFC North black and blue division. Number 2, since when was Brian Hoyer worth a hoot? I mean he has a 2 game resume (which includes beating the freaking Vikings). Why would anyone think the Texans would make that trade (saying Hoyer is their quarterback of the future?) I know the whole Bill O'Brien connection, but that's more smoke than fire.I wanted everyone's opinion on Manziel, the Browns and Hoyer because I just can't see how anyone who is a smart football person would sit here and say "Browns don't need to necessarily draft a QB in the 1st round, as they have Hoyer)...c'mon man! And with that said, why on earth would the Texans want a guy with no resume? He's Matt Flynn...and hows that worked out?I know most of you will be like "F this guy, hes a Ravens fan", but honestly, I would like to see the Browns competitive and relevant. I understand your sorrows as I am an Orioles fan and we deal with very similar issues and concerns.Look forward to hearing from everyone, later.What part of the Baltimore area are you from? (I ask because my nephew lives in Baltimore)
What part of the Baltimore area are you from? (I ask because my nephew lives in Baltimore)
Awesome, great city. I live in the Canton/Fells Point area. Where is your nephew located?
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Ravens5220 said:
I figured someone would bring that up eventually? I didn't intend for this to be about banter and back and forth argument...(cuz you'll never win) but I wanted serious discussion on the topic.
No ... I'm dead serious ... the last time our two football teams played we beat you.
We had Jason Cambell, you had Joe Flacco.
Obviously we have a better roster than Baltimore. The right quarterback will make us a contender immediately. Does that answer your question?
Zombo
Zombo said:
No ... I'm dead serious ... the last time our two football teams played we beat you.
We had Jason Cambell, you had Joe Flacco.
Obviously we have a better roster than Baltimore. The right quarterback will make us a contender immediately. Does that answer your question?
Zombo
Ok, well clearly you're wearing the orange colored glasses. You beating us (1 out of 12) is that makes you sleep at night, great. But to say your roster is better than Baltimore? I mean c'mon now. Lets just talk smart here.
I think you guys are a quarterback away from being competitive, but a RB is necessary and other than Haden your secondary is very shady. I am ALMOST positive Ward leaves VIA free agency.
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Zombo said:
No ... I'm dead serious ... the last time our two football teams played we beat you.
We had Jason Cambell, you had Joe Flacco.
Obviously we have a better roster than Baltimore. The right quarterback will make us a contender immediately. Does that answer your question?
Zombo
Ok, well clearly you're wearing the orange colored glasses. You beating us (1 out of 12) is that makes you sleep at night, great. But to say your roster is better than Baltimore? I mean c'mon now. Lets just talk smart here.
I think you guys are a quarterback away from being competitive, but a RB is necessary and other than Haden your secondary is very shady. I am ALMOST positive Ward leaves VIA free agency.
Ravens5220 said:
Ok, well clearly you're wearing the orange colored glasses. You beating us (1 out of 12) is that makes you sleep at night, great. But to say your roster is better than Baltimore? I mean c'mon now. Lets just talk smart here.
I think you guys are a quarterback away from being competitive, but a RB is necessary and other than Haden your secondary is very shady. I am ALMOST positive Ward leaves VIA free agency.
We are much younger and have 6 Pro Bowlers, so no, I would not trade rosters with Baltimore.
We need a QB to lead us. RBs can be found easily, but if you can't block for them (2013 Baltimore) it doesn't mean a thing.
Keeping Ward is as easy as franchising him.
Thirteen draft picks and tons of cash ... I think we can shore up that secondary and add a RB.
Really, it's Balimore and Pittsburgh that need to start worrying about contending in the AFC North.
If we nail the QB, we will be at the top with Cincy, it's as simple as that.
Ravens and Steelers have the high paid QBs and little else to be proud of going into 2014 but some long-in the-tooth veterans that were part of a really great roster ... 2,3 years ago.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
No ... I'm dead serious ... the last time our two football teams played we beat you.
We had Jason Cambell, you had Joe Flacco.
Obviously we have a better roster than Baltimore. The right quarterback will make us a contender immediately. Does that answer your question?
Zombo
Ok, well clearly you're wearing the orange colored glasses. You beating us (1 out of 12) is that makes you sleep at night, great. But to say your roster is better than Baltimore? I mean c'mon now. Lets just talk smart here.
I think you guys are a quarterback away from being competitive, but a RB is necessary and other than Haden your secondary is very shady. I am ALMOST positive Ward leaves VIA free agency.
Ravens5220 said:
Ok, well clearly you're wearing the orange colored glasses. You beating us (1 out of 12) is that makes you sleep at night, great. But to say your roster is better than Baltimore? I mean c'mon now. Lets just talk smart here.
I think you guys are a quarterback away from being competitive, but a RB is necessary and other than Haden your secondary is very shady. I am ALMOST positive Ward leaves VIA free agency.
How many Pro-Bowlers did the Ravens have? Less than the Browns. Swap Jason Campbell for Joe Flacco and the Browns finish with a better record than the Ravens did. And Ward will be franchise tagged before leaving for free agency.
Hope you enjoy Flacco's talent-deterring contract.
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Although I am not a Browns fan, I do listen to WKNR radio during the mornings and afternoons(Rizzo & Goldhammer) when my favorite Baltimore sports radio show ends. I listen because I do enjoy their entertainment and insight. With that said, I do like to follow all things NFL, and especially the AFC North Division since I am a Ravens fan.Lately, I have been hearing rumblings about the Browns potentially trading Hoyer and picks to move up to 1st pick in the draft to select Johnny Manziel. With that said, I would like to make two things known. Number 1, I don't really think Manziel is that great of a quarterback...and with that, I don't think he is the right quarterback for the Cleveland Browns or the AFC North black and blue division. Number 2, since when was Brian Hoyer worth a hoot? I mean he has a 2 game resume (which includes beating the freaking Vikings). Why would anyone think the Texans would make that trade (saying Hoyer is their quarterback of the future?) I know the whole Bill O'Brien connection, but that's more smoke than fire.I wanted everyone's opinion on Manziel, the Browns and Hoyer because I just can't see how anyone who is a smart football person would sit here and say "Browns don't need to necessarily draft a QB in the 1st round, as they have Hoyer)...c'mon man! And with that said, why on earth would the Texans want a guy with no resume? He's Matt Flynn...and hows that worked out?I know most of you will be like "F this guy, hes a Ravens fan", but honestly, I would like to see the Browns competitive and relevant. I understand your sorrows as I am an Orioles fan and we deal with very similar issues and concerns.Look forward to hearing from everyone, later.
Ravens5220 said:
Although I am not a Browns fan, I do listen to WKNR radio during the mornings and afternoons(Rizzo & Goldhammer) when my favorite Baltimore sports radio show ends. I listen because I do enjoy their entertainment and insight. With that said, I do like to follow all things NFL, and especially the AFC North Division since I am a Ravens fan.Lately, I have been hearing rumblings about the Browns potentially trading Hoyer and picks to move up to 1st pick in the draft to select Johnny Manziel. With that said, I would like to make two things known. Number 1, I don't really think Manziel is that great of a quarterback...and with that, I don't think he is the right quarterback for the Cleveland Browns or the AFC North black and blue division. Number 2, since when was Brian Hoyer worth a hoot? I mean he has a 2 game resume (which includes beating the freaking Vikings). Why would anyone think the Texans would make that trade (saying Hoyer is their quarterback of the future?) I know the whole Bill O'Brien connection, but that's more smoke than fire.I wanted everyone's opinion on Manziel, the Browns and Hoyer because I just can't see how anyone who is a smart football person would sit here and say "Browns don't need to necessarily draft a QB in the 1st round, as they have Hoyer)...c'mon man! And with that said, why on earth would the Texans want a guy with no resume? He's Matt Flynn...and hows that worked out?I know most of you will be like "F this guy, hes a Ravens fan", but honestly, I would like to see the Browns competitive and relevant. I understand your sorrows as I am an Orioles fan and we deal with very similar issues and concerns.Look forward to hearing from everyone, later.I believe all the 'Browns want Manziel' talk is premature at best. No team, I don't care how incompetent, tells people who they're targeting. Even if the Browns do ultimately select Manziel it won't be a decision made in February before the combine and private workouts. Taking Jimmy H's word for it has proven to be a shaky proposition after he shit all over his "continuity" speech, but if they do plan on spending countless hours researching the QB position then I believe they will do whatever it takes to get the guy that they grade out the best.
As it stands now, my gut is telling me that the Browns won't choose two players in the first round this May. The Trent trade was a means to an end, namely acquiring the ammunition to draft their guy. I fully believe that after the dust has settled this FO will trade whatever it takes to get to where they want to be, be it Hoyer, draft picks or a combination of the two. And yes, this team is a QB away from a playoff berth.
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