Lombardi out?
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I think that's a fair statement Peen.
I don't know exactly what would make someone think that Ray Farmer is a genius and Mike Lombardi is an idiot. Seems to me a lot of the anti Lombardi sentiment goes back to some Browns fans having a grudge against Bill Belichick.
WSS
I present to you exhibit A, Lombardi's draft record from 1992-2007:
Source: http://www.theclevelandfan.com/cleveland-browns/1-browns-archive/10640-mike-lombardi-for-the-record
The guy picked a FB and a freaking kicker with his first round picks. He picked JeMarcus Russell. Most of the names I recognize on this list are memorable in a bad way, and I only recognize Jeremiah Trotter and Asomugha as good player from this list.
And now Exhibit B: Kansas City Chief's draft picks while Ray Farmer was part of their FO:
2012 1 11 Dontari Poe DT2012 2 44 Jeff Allen OL2012 3 74 Donald Stephenson OL2012 4 107 Devon Wylie WR2012 5 146 DeQuan Menzie DB2012 6 182 Cyrus Gray RB2012 7 218 Jerome Long DT2012 7 238 Junior Hemingway WRYear Rnd Pick Pos2011 1 26 Jonathan Baldwin WR2011 2 55 Rodney Hudson OL2011 3 70 Justin Houston LB2011 3 86 Allen Bailey DL2011 4 118 Jalil Brown DB2011 5 135 Ricky Stanzi QB2011 5 140 Gabe Miller LB2011 6 199 Jerrell Powe DL2011 7 223 Shane Bannon RBYear Rnd Pick Pos2010 1 5 Eric Berry DB2010 2 36 Dexter McCluster WR2010 2 50 Javier Arenas DB2010 3 68 Jon Asamoah G2010 3 93 Tony Moeaki TE2010 5 136 Kendrick Lewis DB2010 5 142 Cameron Sheffield DEYear Rnd Pick Pos2009 1 3 Tyson Jackson DE2009 3 67 Alex Magee DE2009 4 102 Donald Washington DB2009 5 139 Colin Brown T2009 6 175 Quinten Lawrence WR2009 7 212 Javarris Williams RB2009 7 237 Jake O'Connell TE2009 7 256 Ryan Succop KYear Rnd Pick Pos2008 1 5 Glenn Dorsey DT2008 1 15 Branden Albert G2008 2 35 Brandon Flowers DB2008 3 73 Jamaal Charles RB2008 3 76 Brad Cottam TE2008 3 82 DaJuan Morgan DB2008 4 105 Will Franklin WR2008 5 140 Brandon Carr DB2008 6 170 Barry Richardson T2008 6 182 Kevin Robinson WR2008 7 210 Brian Johnston DE2008 7 239 Mike Merritt TEYear Rnd Pick Pos2007 1 23 Dwayne Bowe WR2007 2 54 Turk McBride DT2007 3 82 Tank Tyler DT2007 5 148 Kolby Smith RB2007 5 160 Justin Medlock K2007 6 196 Herbert Taylor T2007 7 231 Michael Allan TEYear Rnd Pick Pos2006 1 20 Tamba Hali DE2006 2 54 Bernard Pollard DB2006 3 85 Brodie Croyle QB2006 5 154 Marcus Maxey DB2006 6 186 Tre Stallings G2006 6 190 Jeff Webb WR2006 7 228 Jarrad Page DBNote all the impact players in bold. I'm sure there are more than I marked, too. I know we can't say he was directly responsible for these picks, but he was part of a team that was, and that's saying a lot more than what Lombardi has to show for himself.
I present to you exhibit #1, Lombardi's draft record from 1992-2007:
Source: http://www.theclevelandfan.com/cleveland-browns/1-browns-archive/10640-mike-lombardi-for-the-record
The guy picked a FB and a freaking kicker with his first round picks. He picked JeMarcus Russell. Most of the names I recognize on this list are memorable in a bad way, and I only recognize Jeremiah Trotter and Asomugha as good player from this list.
It's a very sad track record.
Some people say Al Davis was the reason he sucked in Oakland, but idk if that can explain why he sucked in Philly and Cleveland.
Zach Miller is pretty good though. At least above average.
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Steve Everitt was not bad.....but, it is a very, very poor track record.
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Let's also not forgot Lombardi criticized the josh gordon pick when he worked for the NFLN.
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The biggest bust on the list was undoubtedly JaMarcus Russell. I remember that time. Pretty well. As I recall just about every football pundit was singing his praises and there was talk amongst quarterback strapped teams of trading up for the big dumb goat. So... Plus I loved Eric Zeier.
WSS
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The biggest bust on the list was undoubtedly JaMarcus Russell. I remember that time. Pretty well. As I recall just about every football pundit was singing his praises and there was talk amongst quarterback strapped teams of trading up for the big dumb goat. So... Plus I loved Eric Zeier.
WSS
The biggest bust on the list was undoubtedly JaMarcus Russell. I remember that time. Pretty well. As I recall just about every football pundit was singing his praises and there was talk amongst quarterback strapped teams of trading up for the big dumb goat. So... Plus I loved Eric Zeier.
WSS
To be fair, I expected jamarcus to have the same type of career cam newton is having.
Jamarcus turned out to be dumber and lazier than Cam though.
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he made 4 good picks for all the years in cleveland:
everitt
footman
langham
alexander
2 huge busts in jamarcus russell and gallery for the raiders. both their number one picks.
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if Lombardi was worthy of a front office position he wouldn't have spent five years without one, that's as far as the argument needs to go.
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if Lombardi was worthy of a front office position he wouldn't have spent five years without one, that's as far as the argument needs to go.
if Lombardi was worthy of a front office position he wouldn't have spent five years without one, that's as far as the argument needs to go.
Yep!
I am the one who 1st posted Lombardi's draft record & someone stated that Al Davis made the picks there, not Lombardi. My response to that is that, if true, he didn't function as a GM. Lombardi is, at the very least, not qualified to serve as GM. To me, the hire should also have Banner under a microscope, although Banner DID come here with a seemingly solid track record.
Changing/decreasing Lombardi's function might be a positive step, BUT if Jimmy wants credibility with Browns' Fans, he'll get him the hell OUT of Cleveland (BEFORE this FA/draft period).
Perception is reality.
Mike
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Steve Everitt was not bad.....but, it is a very, very poor track record.
Steve Everitt was not bad.....but, it is a very, very poor track record.
Unless you're a total Retard, drafting a center in the first round- assuming the talent is there is about one of the safest picks you can make. The Pounceys and Mack bear that out.
Let's also not forgot Lombardi criticized the josh gordon pick when he worked for the NFLN.
I haven't forgotten- I hope Haslam hasn't either.
He had a monstrous draft class in 2000.
It will forever be a mystery who was calling the shots in Oakland- If Lombardi had more than minimal input on any of them, he's undeserving of being a talent evaluator. OK Ray Guy finally made the HOF, and Janikowski is a great kicker- but you want to talk about wasting draft position? Both of them could have been had way lower in the draft.
if Lombardi was worthy of a front office position he wouldn't have spent five years without one, that's as far as the argument needs to go.
Yup, I've pointed that out several times. Even with the draft coming up. Lombardi is totally unnecessary. (the scouts have done all the work) I'd trust Farmer in the War Room 10x better than I would MIke.
It would also put Banner on the hot seat for a bad personnel decision.
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