Lombardi and Banner gone, Farmer new GM
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Absolutely excited about the firing but it kinda pisses me off too. At the expense little experiment we lost a pretty good GM in Tom Heckert. Who was responsible for bringing in 4 out of our 6 probowlers. Wonder who he'd draft this year??
Heckert did a decent job for sure. Sans 2012 which we could potentially blame on holmgren who seemed to take credit for weeden and trent.Absolutely excited about the firing but it kinda pisses me off too. At the expense little experiment we lost a pretty good GM in Tom Heckert. Who was responsible for bringing in 4 out of our 6 probowlers. Wonder who he'd draft this year??
But you gotta expect a new owner to bring in his own guys. Took him a little while to find the guys he wants and doesn't want to work with though.
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Watched some of the Press Conference and something caught me.
Farmer said he found out about the promotion last night.
In Haslams presser, he mentioned that he was having dinner with Pettine (if I got that right) . . . pretty sure the new GM topic came up.
Think this was a good move keeping your new HC in the loop and is a class act.
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And Farmer hints towards his draft decision. "I'm taking the best athlete in the draft." Hmmm. Sounds like Sammy Watkins to me.
And Farmer hints towards his draft decision. "I'm taking the best athlete in the draft." Hmmm. Sounds like Sammy Watkins to me.
Clowney is by and large the best athlete and it's really not even close.
Brilliant analysis, yet again.
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Zombo said:
Pettine in his 40's, both of our OC's and our GM in their 30's.
But more importantly, real football people in place, with accountability and answering directly to the owner.
Now leave it alone for 4-5 years Jimmy, and you just might be surprised to find out that you bought an NFL teamin the best football city in the USA.
Zombo
what's that bring the running tab on people that haslam has fired? these guys must be walking away with a pocket full of scratch.
what's that bring the running tab on people that haslam has fired? these guys must be walking away with a pocket full of scratch.
LOL, I hope Lombardi's buyout involves pumping gas at Pilot stations & cleaning out the restrooms.
XxDaBuckeyexX said:
Does Neo= Shane Falco?
I never saw that movie- I want the Matrix qb that can hold up his hand and stop Suh in his tracks.
I agree completely. If the national media would ask any local fan/media person he would be told the same thing...but all they see is that the Browns are getting another operation....not that we have just removed the tumor.
the great carbuncle of doom has been lanced.
I'm not liking anyone because someone thinks they look like some black guy from some shitty movie.
To each their own- "The Matrix" is one of my favorites. And by all accounts Farmer's daily crap exudes more football intelligence than Lombardi has.
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I'm 8 pages late into this discussion, but let me say that this was needed, and I applaud Haslam for pulling the trigger getting rid of these two guys.
I asked the question several weeks ago as too how Haslam decided on Banner and how the relationship was started between the two. You wonder if Haslam had enough time to evaluate Banner, and get a well rounded opinion of those in the league. Sure, Goodell might have something good to say, but what about the rest of the league?
The phrase "Perception is reality" rings very true. Banner maybe completely competent to run a team. But if perception (even though can be skewed and manipulated) is not where it should be, then you have to change that perception. In this case, that meant that Banner needed to go and along with him Lombardi.
Now, Haslam, let's get this ship in the right direction. For those about to Rock, We Salute You. -
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/12/cleveland-browns-jimmy-haslam-fires-joe-banner/
Banner and Lombardi lambasted ......
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Yeah yeah glad to see these guys gone but let's not get too proud of Jimmy Haslam guts fortitude and business acumen. Somebody put this entire shit train on the tracks over a year ago... I am cautiously optimistic but what's see what happens now.
WSS
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Regardless of who did what, when or why, from the FO on down the Browns are being built in the mold of the 9ers and the Hawks. This is not an accident or knee jerk.
Aside from that, getting Clowney would be a 'SCORE'!
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Yeah yeah glad to see these guys gone but let's not get too proud of Jimmy Haslam guts fortitude and business acumen. Somebody put this entire shit train on the tracks over a year ago... I am cautiously optimistic but what's see what happens now.
WSS
Yeah yeah glad to see these guys gone but let's not get too proud of Jimmy Haslam guts fortitude and business acumen. Somebody put this entire shit train on the tracks over a year ago... I am cautiously optimistic but what's see what happens now.
WSS
Haslam was/is a Rookie Owner.
From what I've seen, to me it looks like he really does want a winning Team.
So far it appears that he's actually making some good moves to improve things, so at least for now I'm willing to give him some slack.
Time will tell, but I'm hoping for the best for our Teams' sake.
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Agree with clowney discussion
Would rather get our future QB later- in the 3rd or 4th. Here's what it does ...
Tells Hoyer - you da man- go kick some butt
Makes our defensive line top tier of the league, if not the best- Flacco, Rothinstien, Daulton- your jobs just got more difficult
Ummm , we just hired a D-line specialist- who we are told can develop young talent.
Best part - nobody expects it.
DE, WR, QB, OT, RB, DB/S (depending on Ward on roster)...FA- go get another WR and the best LB we can find
Screw Johnny football...would rather trade out- if he falls to us
Bermeck (get 3 starters and stockpile for 2015... 8-8, here we come)
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http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/12/cleveland-browns-jimmy-haslam-fires-joe-banner/
Banner and Lombardi lambasted ......
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/12/cleveland-browns-jimmy-haslam-fires-joe-banner/
Banner and Lombardi lambasted ......
What ticks me off are these comments that there is a "moat" or black cloud statements about the Browns. Yes, I understand it, but that is exactly what Haslam is trying to remove, that seems to be forgotten by the media. The big picture is what is important here, not the immediate knee jerk reactions by the media. And also, the Browns fans are alive and frickin' kicking. We are not numb, we are waiting for this ship to turn and I think it's happening.
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http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/12/cleveland-browns-jimmy-haslam-fires-joe-banner/
Banner and Lombardi lambasted ......
What ticks me off are these comments that there is a "moat" or black cloud statements about the Browns. Yes, I understand it, but that is exactly what Haslam is trying to remove, that seems to be forgotten by the media. The big picture is what is important here, not the immediate knee jerk reactions by the media. And also, the Browns fans are alive and frickin' kicking. We are not numb, we are waiting for this ship to turn and I think it's happening.
What ticks me off are these comments that there is a "moat" or black cloud statements about the Browns. Yes, I understand it, but that is exactly what Haslam is trying to remove, that seems to be forgotten by the media. The big picture is what is important here, not the immediate knee jerk reactions by the media. And also, the Browns fans are alive and frickin' kicking. We are not numb, we are waiting for this ship to turn and I think it's happening.
The continuity thing annoys me. Yes we'd all love that but it only works if you have the right people to begin with.
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Agree with clowney discussion
Would rather get our future QB later- in the 3rd or 4th. Here's what it does ...
Tells Hoyer - you da man- go kick some butt
Makes our defensive line top tier of the league, if not the best- Flacco, Rothinstien, Daulton- your jobs just got more difficult
Ummm , we just hired a D-line specialist- who we are told can develop young talent.
Best part - nobody expects it.
DE, WR, QB, OT, RB, DB/S (depending on Ward on roster)...FA- go get another WR and the best LB we can find
Screw Johnny football...would rather trade out- if he falls to us
Bermeck (get 3 starters and stockpile for 2015... 8-8, here we come)
Agree with clowney discussion
Would rather get our future QB later- in the 3rd or 4th. Here's what it does ...
Tells Hoyer - you da man- go kick some butt
Makes our defensive line top tier of the league, if not the best- Flacco, Rothinstien, Daulton- your jobs just got more difficult
Ummm , we just hired a D-line specialist- who we are told can develop young talent.
Best part - nobody expects it.
DE, WR, QB, OT, RB, DB/S (depending on Ward on roster)...FA- go get another WR and the best LB we can find
Screw Johnny football...would rather trade out- if he falls to us
Bermeck (get 3 starters and stockpile for 2015... 8-8, here we come)
From watching the Farmer presser, there are indications that Farmer may trade out picks from this year for picks next year, so with that bit of info there's no telling what to expect in the Draft this year.
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What ticks me off are these comments that there is a "moat" or black cloud statements about the Browns. Yes, I understand it, but that is exactly what Haslam is trying to remove, that seems to be forgotten by the media. The big picture is what is important here, not the immediate knee jerk reactions by the media. And also, the Browns fans are alive and frickin' kicking. We are not numb, we are waiting for this ship to turn and I think it's happening.
The continuity thing annoys me. Yes we'd all love that but it only works if you have the right people to begin with.
The continuity thing annoys me. Yes we'd all love that but it only works if you have the right people to begin with.
Are you talking about FO continuity?
Don't forget, Farmer was here last year as Asst GM, and he was the one scouting at the Senior Bowl this year - Lombardi was MIA.
Essentially, scouting and player evaluations have been handled by Farmer - that's why I was really concerned with him possibly going to Miami as GM, we'd be screwed big time.
Also the Scouting department is the same, so no loss there.
Combine is next week, and it looks like the guy Farmer is trying to pull in to assist has some serious talent evaluation skills (Kuharich), though I still wonder why he's not been in the NFL for several years.
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This is interesting: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000325306/article/joe-banner-jimmy-haslam-had-major-rift-with-browns
Basically says nobody wanted to work with the Banner/Lombardi dynamic. And says Banner insulted Wisenhunt, and Banner wanted nothing to do with Schiano before even interviewing him.
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This is interesting: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000325306/article/joe-banner-jimmy-haslam-had-major-rift-with-browns
Basically says nobody wanted to work with the Banner/Lombardi dynamic. And says Banner insulted Wisenhunt, and Banner wanted nothing to do with Schiano before even interviewing him.
This is interesting: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000325306/article/joe-banner-jimmy-haslam-had-major-rift-with-browns
Basically says nobody wanted to work with the Banner/Lombardi dynamic. And says Banner insulted Wisenhunt, and Banner wanted nothing to do with Schiano before even interviewing him.
For some reason that article is not coming up.
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The tinfoil in my head whispers that Farmer will be in cahoots with Lobotomy. In his presser he mentioned Lombardi as a very close and good friend. Farmer later he says that he'll get input on players from some bright, smart and creative people that can help him. Part of me thinks Farmer is to be the figurehead that Lombardi refused to be but he'll still have his hand in the jar. Farmer is a good talker and Haslam knows perception is reality. So by appearing to cast off Banner and Lombardi and putting Farmer, who is a good talker, he's changing the perception...
People can form their own opinions on the conspiracy but that may just prove to be my paranoia. The TRUE concerning point of the whole situation is this:
When Pet took the head coaching job he made a statement that was along the lines of- You never fit players to your scheme. You change your scheme to fit your players. But, here's the kicker... Farmer CLEARLY states that he needs to find the PLAYERS to fit the scheme that they want to run...
For two guys that are supposed to work so greatly together, doesn't it seem funny that they would have this fundamental clash?
Now another tinfoil moment- Okay a coach says that he will fit his system to match the players he has. The GM says that he'll get the players to match the scheme. What comes first the chicken or the egg? ...It's feels kinda like almost to good to be true, like the red and blue pills in the Matrix... fuck it, bottoms up! Lombardi Is gone, and with him the Curse!!
The tinfoil in my head whispers that Farmer will be in cahoots with Lobotomy. In his presser he mentioned Lombardi as a very close and good friend. Farmer later he says that he'll get input on players from some bright, smart and creative people that can help him. Part of me thinks Farmer is to be the figurehead that Lombardi refused to be but he'll still have his hand in the jar. Farmer is a good talker and Haslam knows perception is reality. So by appearing to cast off Banner and Lombardi and putting Farmer, who is a good talker, he's changing the perception...
It's feels kinda like almost to good to be true, like the red and blue pills in the Matrix... fuck it, bottoms up! Lombardi Is gone, and with him the Curse!!
I doubt Farmer will be asking Mike for any advice on how to be a GM. Certainly not about any player evaluations. Might play a round or two of golf with him and ask how things are going back @ NFLN.
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Yeah yeah glad to see these guys gone but let's not get too proud of Jimmy Haslam guts fortitude and business acumen. Somebody put this entire shit train on the tracks over a year ago... I am cautiously optimistic but what's see what happens now.
WSS
Haslam was/is a Rookie Owner.
From what I've seen, to me it looks like he really does want a winning Team.
So far it appears that he's actually making some good moves to improve things, so at least for now I'm willing to give him some slack.
Time will tell, but I'm hoping for the best for our Teams' sake.
Haslam was/is a Rookie Owner.
From what I've seen, to me it looks like he really does want a winning Team.
So far it appears that he's actually making some good moves to improve things, so at least for now I'm willing to give him some slack.
Time will tell, but I'm hoping for the best for our Teams' sake.
Yes he is new as the owner of the Cleveland Browns but he's had experience with parts of other teams (well part owner of the squeelers) and let's face it the NFL doesn't just let any idiot buy a team.
It ain't like he bought the team on Craigslist...
WSS
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The NFL doesn't just let any idiot buy a team.
Hahaha, that's a hard argument to make considering Woody Johnson is an owner.
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Haslam was in a seeming "no win" situation.....
1) KEEP Banner & Lombardi to show SOME continuity but deal with distrust & further Fan disenchantment in addition to risking the entire off season.
2) Let them go & be criticized for excessive "turnover".
Jimmy, God bless him, let his passion for fielding a winner take over & rid the Browns (and US) of the poison. He will be criticized by some, but he took that risk for the overall good. I quote Jimmy “In my business career, most of the mistakes I’ve made come from not moving quickly enough when you know there’s a tough decision to be made. The easy thing to do here would be to stay doing what you’re doing, even when you feel like you need to change course.’’ It takes courage to admit a mistake as publicly as he did.
We'll see what happens from this point forward, and I can't speak for anyone else, but Jimmy Haslam has earned MY respect for his handling of this situation.
Mike
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