Free Agent QBs
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Zombo said:
No.
Z
By that can I imply that you would still rather see either Campbell or Weeden here as a backup than any one of these guys?
By that can I imply that you would still rather see either Campbell or Weeden here as a backup than any one of these guys?
I'm saying none of them float my boat for our purposes.
Josh McCown is an upgrade over Campbell/Weeden for sure, but we aren't going to pay for him with Hoyer on the roster and the inevitable drafting of a QB.
Bridgewater/Manziel with Hoyer and Tanney is fine with me ... we don't need any of these guys.
Cambell and Weeden are as good as gone, and we don't need any of these other guys.
Rookie + Hoyer + Tanney
Zombo
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You don't have to FORCE feed yourself a QB just because you need a QB.
Seattle did it with Defense FIRST.
A Power running game.
Then finished it off with Wilson.
4 year process.
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By that can I imply that you would still rather see either Campbell or Weeden here as a backup than any one of these guys?
I'm saying none of them float my boat for our purposes.
Josh McCown is an upgrade over Campbell/Weeden for sure, but we aren't going to pay for him with Hoyer on the roster and the inevitable drafting of a QB.
Bridgewater/Manziel with Hoyer and Tanney is fine with me ... we don't need any of these guys.
Cambell and Weeden are as good as gone, and we don't need any of these other guys.
Rookie + Hoyer + Tanney
Zombo
Zombo said:
I'm saying none of them float my boat for our purposes.
Josh McCown is an upgrade over Campbell/Weeden for sure, but we aren't going to pay for him with Hoyer on the roster and the inevitable drafting of a QB.
Bridgewater/Manziel with Hoyer and Tanney is fine with me ... we don't need any of these guys.
Cambell and Weeden are as good as gone, and we don't need any of these other guys.
Rookie + Hoyer + Tanney
Zombo
Oh, OK, I guess I discounted the Tanney factor altogether considering Tanney is a raw as any rookie we are likely to pick up.
I personally may not be as comfortable with having Tanney as a "veteran" backup. He is just such an unknown quantity.
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Zombo said:
I'm saying none of them float my boat for our purposes.
Josh McCown is an upgrade over Campbell/Weeden for sure, but we aren't going to pay for him with Hoyer on the roster and the inevitable drafting of a QB.
Bridgewater/Manziel with Hoyer and Tanney is fine with me ... we don't need any of these guys.
Cambell and Weeden are as good as gone, and we don't need any of these other guys.
Rookie + Hoyer + Tanney
Zombo
Oh, OK, I guess I discounted the Tanney factor altogether considering Tanney is a raw as any rookie we are likely to pick up.
I personally may not be as comfortable with having Tanney as a "veteran" backup. He is just such an unknown quantity.
Oh, OK, I guess I discounted the Tanney factor altogether considering Tanney is a raw as any rookie we are likely to pick up.
I personally may not be as comfortable with having Tanney as a "veteran" backup. He is just such an unknown quantity.
Farmer had him in KC and brought him in, so I'm sure he gets a shot.
If they want to bring in Grossman, I can live with that, but if we are going to keep a third QB I prefer to develop a prospect than bring in a retread.
Z
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As mentioned in another thread, Farmer mentioned he may trade out some picks to next years Draft, and now this :
Alex Whiteman @AlexWhitemanFB 13m #Browns owner Ray Farmer was the highest on Oregon QB coming in. Look for Cleveland to target him heavily next year.
We may not take a QB this year if Farmer's looking for Marietta.
Also :
Alex Whiteman @AlexWhitemanFB 16m Prediction: Browns take lower round quarterback (Tom Savage, Tajh Boyd) as a one-year option to start. Wait until Mariota next year.
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I don't see us getting Mariota without a big trade or if we suck.
If he was in this class he'd be #1 overall IMO.
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I don't see us getting Mariota without a big trade or if we suck.
If he was in this class he'd be #1 overall IMO.
I don't see us getting Mariota without a big trade or if we suck.
If he was in this class he'd be #1 overall IMO.
I agree Mariota is going to be a high pick.
I believe the thinking/trend is that a 2014 #4 ~ 2015 #3 (based on last year trades), so with that in mind, I'm not sure what the FO has in mind but they could build up quite a bit of ammo if need be.
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Campbell proved how much he sucked and why he has always been a backup. Hoyer is unproven and coming off a serious injury. 2 wins don't mean he is the next Tom Brady. We need a 1st round QB.
Campbell proved how much he sucked and why he has always been a backup. Hoyer is unproven and coming off a serious injury. 2 wins don't mean he is the next Tom Brady. We need a 1st round QB.
What we need is a good NFL quarterback. That does not mean we are obligated to overdraft one in the first round.
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Campbell proved how much he sucked and why he has always been a backup. Hoyer is unproven and coming off a serious injury. 2 wins don't mean he is the next Tom Brady. We need a 1st round QB.
What we need is a good NFL quarterback. That does not mean we are obligated to overdraft one in the first round.
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You don't have to FORCE feed yourself a QB just because you need a QB.
Seattle did it with Defense FIRST.
A Power running game.
Then finished it off with Wilson.
4 year process.
You don't have to FORCE feed yourself a QB just because you need a QB.
Seattle did it with Defense FIRST.
A Power running game.
Then finished it off with Wilson.
4 year process.
That's all well and good, except it's not exactly the case.
Sherman was drafted in 2011. Irvin was drafted in 2012. Wagner was drafted in 2012. Wright was drafted in 2012.
Seattle's defense finished in the bottom half of the league in the first 2 of those 4 seasons.
They didn't build defense first. They just built the team. They didn't reach for players solely because of media hype (Irvin is questionable in that regard), they took the ones they thought fit their system.
There's no single right way to build a championship team. Emulating others success may not work here. All you can do is build a team with the players you think will succeed, regardless of what the analysts say about their draft position.
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Merry Otis.
Just wanted to get that out of the way.
WSS
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It wasn't too long ago that Freeman had success in the league and he'd come pretty cheap. I'd be willing to take a shot on him being able to do well in Cleveland. I imagine after this draft that Cleveland will have a considerably better offense than any he's ever worked with.
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Y'know what I think? I think Lombardi & Banner are gone, now we have real FOOTBALL guys making these decisions, & I'm trusting their judgment. I am very anxious to see what they decide.
Mike
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I don't want anything to do with josh freeman. He's got some of the tools, but not the brain.
Glennon played better than him at TB. Ponder started over him in Minny.
No teams really wanted him earlier in the season. Then he made wildly bad decisions and couldn't control the ball in his time with Minny. Now people want him more than they did in September/October?
We already have a guy with tools but a slow processor. His name is Brandon Weeden.
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@mike-h said:
Nor are they obligated to start a QB who was passed over by every team in the NFL, for years, and has two decent starts to his name.
I agree on that as well Mike. I have never said Hoyer deserves the starting job. I have said he earned the right for a fair competition for it and I stand by that. I am simply saying if we believe noone is really worthy of a pick at 4 we pass and take one lower in the draft. I think there are good options in the 2nd round in guys like Garropolo or Mettenberger. I like Garappolo in the 2nd to 3rd.
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I think there's a lot of potential in the later rounds of this draft if we're not sold on whoever's available at #4.
I kind of like the potential of A. Murray/Mettenberger/Garappolo. Will any of them turn out to be solid NFL starters who knows. But the jury is still out on all of the top guys too.
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I kind of like the potential of A. Murray/Mettenberger/Garappolo. bbed
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I agree, except that Mettenberger is like Derek Anderson with mobility. He's
really thrown some bad throws, bad, bad decisions at times.
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Cassel could be interesting as a back up. While I never saw him as a #1 guy despite his NE success, I think there is some talent there.
That said, I doubt Cassel would be worth the price he's likely to ask.
Out of our roster choices... I think Campbell is a decent choice for back up. Wheezy, who now wants to leave due to "organizational instability" (I wonder who his writer is) should be granted his wish.
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Cassel could be interesting as a back up. While I never saw him as a #1 guy despite his NE success, I think there is some talent there.
That said, I doubt Cassel would be worth the price he's likely to ask.
Out of our roster choices... I think Campbell is a decent choice for back up. Wheezy, who now wants to leave due to "organizational instability" (I wonder who his writer is) should be granted his wish.
Out of our roster choices... I think Campbell is a decent choice for back up. Wheezy, who now wants to leave due to "organizational instability" (I wonder who his writer is) should be granted his wish.
Its funny that none of the players who pull their weight are griping about "organizational instability" but it just so happens to be an issue for the guy who has proven he doesn't deserve a spot on the roster.
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