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  • yes. sheard mingo and krueger are true DE and either played that before coming to the browns or right out of college.

    i wouldn't consider anyone else on your list a true DE except maybe bryant but he'll be relegated to another position after we draft clowney.

  • Can we talk about trading Taylor now? 🙂

    @tour2ma said:

    On Taylor... if attempts to extend him at a reasonable price fail, then why not trade him now? Get value for him now? Especially if we are heading back in the direction of a 4-3 (which IMO we need to due to 3-4 LB deficiencies). There have to be a couple NFC teams running the 3-4 that would salivate at the thought of putting Phil in the middle of their line.

    I love Big Phil as a NT, but I feel he's wasted as a DT... in part because he is such a great, space-eating, lateral-pursuing NT, but also because I think he falls a bit short in the DT role which includes an added measure of pass pressure generation. I know he had 4 sacks his rookie season, but only had 1 in his 8-game second-season at DT.

    Call me crazy, but I think Rubin, Wynn and even Hughes are more complete DTs... but none, with the possible exception of Hughes, are anywhere near Phil as a NT.

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  • he might not get a lot of pressure on the QB but he sure stuffs the run pretty damn good which is what i want from a NT.

    sign the guy. franchise ward. draft clowney (if we go back to a 4-3) add another LB and corner and SS and watch the havoc we wreak on these dopes in our division.

    our defense will be so freaking good they'll have to come up with a name for themselves.

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  • Or, what we are probably doing, is staying in a primary 3-4 that runs 4 down in the nickel.

  • These guys will do great in a modified Rex Ryan defense.

    Petrine and O'Brien will have all of the guys wanting to re-sign to stay in the defense.

    Z

  • I have really high hopes for Mingo, add some muscle he can be a star

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    he might not get a lot of pressure on the QB but he sure stuffs the run pretty damn good which is what i want from a NT.

    sign the guy. franchise ward. draft clowney (if we go back to a 4-3) add another LB and corner and SS and watch the havoc we wreak on these dopes in our division.

    our defense will be so freaking good they'll have to come up with a name for themselves.

    @miktoxic said:

    he might not get a lot of pressure on the QB but he sure stuffs the run pretty damn good which is what i want from a NT.

    sign the guy. franchise ward. draft clowney (if we go back to a 4-3) add another LB and corner and SS and watch the havoc we wreak on these dopes in our division.

    our defense will be so freaking good they'll have to come up with a name for themselves.

    So basically we just have to improve 40% of the defense to be awesome? Damn we're close... 🙂

    I'll say it again...

    If we are in fact going to make the best use of the players we have, then we go back to the 4-3 as our base D.

    If we go back to the 4-3, then Sheard and Kruger go to DE.

    If we go back to the 4-3, then even for it, we have way too many DT's.

    If we have way too many DTs, then one way to thin them is to trade one of the best NTs now playing... and great NTs are premium value guys...

    You can't keep them all...

    "Hello Houston, does Romeo have any interest in Phil Taylor? He's yours along with our 1.4 and 3.19 for your 1.1 and 2.1..."

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  • you really think houston will trade out of the #1 when they have a texas QB coming out of college station and they've pretty much given up on schaub?

    unless they consider casey keenum (sp?) as their new franchise guy the fans would go nuts if they didn't pick JF.

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    you really think houston will trade out of the #1 when they have a texas QB coming out of college station and they've pretty much given up on schaub?

    unless they consider casey keenum (sp?) as their new franchise guy the fans would go nuts if they didn't pick JF.

    @miktoxic said:

    you really think houston will trade out of the #1 when they have a texas QB coming out of college station and they've pretty much given up on schaub?

    unless they consider casey keenum (sp?) as their new franchise guy the fans would go nuts if they didn't pick JF.

    they don't want manziel dude, they're just saying they do cause they know there's a couple teams in the top 5 that do. They'll trade down with that team and still have a shot at Clowney...which is who they want. They havne't given up on Schaub after one bad year where the whole team sucked.

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    you really think houston will trade out of the #1 when they have a texas QB coming out of college station and they've pretty much given up on schaub?

    unless they consider casey keenum (sp?) as their new franchise guy the fans would go nuts if they didn't pick JF.

    @miktoxic said:

    you really think houston will trade out of the #1 when they have a texas QB coming out of college station and they've pretty much given up on schaub?

    unless they consider casey keenum (sp?) as their new franchise guy the fans would go nuts if they didn't pick JF.

    It was a "for instance"... I've been saying that HOU will take JM... so there's that.

    Point was that Big Phil has significant value as a NT... and if Romeo is going to run the 3-4 (pretty safe bet there) he'll need a NT because there is not one on the Texans roster... not of Phil's caliber anyway...

    It never hurts to ask...

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    @miktoxic said:

    you really think houston will trade out of the #1 when they have a texas QB coming out of college station and they've pretty much given up on schaub?

    unless they consider casey keenum (sp?) as their new franchise guy the fans would go nuts if they didn't pick JF.

    they don't want manziel dude, they're just saying they do cause they know there's a couple teams in the top 5 that do. They'll trade down with that team and still have a shot at Clowney...which is who they want. They havne't given up on Schaub after one bad year where the whole team sucked.

    @clevfan4life said:

    they don't want manziel dude, they're just saying they do cause they know there's a couple teams in the top 5 that do. They'll trade down with that team and still have a shot at Clowney...which is who they want. They havne't given up on Schaub after one bad year where the whole team sucked.

    I think they've given up on Schaub.

    Team was bad yes, Schaub was especially bad. They replaced dude with an undrafted guy. Fans cheered an injury and burned his jerseys. He's done there IMHO.

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