Jonathan Paul Manziel
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@walterwhite said:
The people who hate Johnny Manziel will be the first assholes to buy his jersey when he turns into a mega star.
HA!!
you are such a little boy. i hope we draft sams so you go out and buy his jersey. then you can be the person you really wanna be............
an xbox 360 little queef eating cocoa puffs in your grandma's basement while jerkin off to highlight of JF.
I WILL CRUSH YOU.
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now now. i think the only people here that can't open their minds to new ideas are 2 and a few.
yes. JF could come in here and LEARN a system and try to run it the best he could. so can hoyer. so can campbell. or so could carr, fales or garroppollo.
the key is you don't draft an adonis and be so enamored with them that you have to build around that one person.
that is just plain dumb and i think farmer being a scout first and foremost probably sees a lot of the same and if not better in qualities of some QBs in the later rounds.
like i said. let's see what the combine brings. and if all you brought was your agent and a dvd, shame on you. i wouldn't touch you for shit.
there ARE other key positions we need to fill or add depth to SO...............
now now. i think the only people here that can't open their minds to new ideas are 2 and a few.
yes. JF could come in here and LEARN a system and try to run it the best he could. so can hoyer. so can campbell. or so could carr, fales or garroppollo.
the key is you don't draft an adonis and be so enamored with them that you have to build around that one person.
that is just plain dumb and i think farmer being a scout first and foremost probably sees a lot of the same and if not better in qualities of some QBs in the later rounds.
like i said. let's see what the combine brings. and if all you brought was your agent and a dvd, shame on you. i wouldn't touch you for shit.
there ARE other key positions we need to fill or add depth to SO...............
I agree. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that, if JM's skill set is better suited for our offensive system than any of the other QB's available, why wouldn't he be a good pick?
Keep in mind, I'm not a fanboy. I'm still leaning towards Bortles over Manziel. I think this is a good year to be picking QB, simply because each QB possesses a completely different skill set and physical attributes. It's not like there's three statuesque pocket passers or three read option QB's available. We can decide which, in our FO's eyes, will fit our system and then pull the trigger.
All in all, we're in a pretty solid spot.
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now now. i think the only people here that can't open their minds to new ideas are 2 and a few.
yes. JF could come in here and LEARN a system and try to run it the best he could. so can hoyer. so can campbell. or so could carr, fales or garroppollo.
the key is you don't draft an adonis and be so enamored with them that you have to build around that one person.
that is just plain dumb and i think farmer being a scout first and foremost probably sees a lot of the same and if not better in qualities of some QBs in the later rounds.
like i said. let's see what the combine brings. and if all you brought was your agent and a dvd, shame on you. i wouldn't touch you for shit.
there ARE other key positions we need to fill or add depth to SO...............
I agree. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that, if JM's skill set is better suited for our offensive system than any of the other QB's available, why wouldn't he be a good pick?
Keep in mind, I'm not a fanboy. I'm still leaning towards Bortles over Manziel. I think this is a good year to be picking QB, simply because each QB possesses a completely different skill set and physical attributes. It's not like there's three statuesque pocket passers or three read option QB's available. We can decide which, in our FO's eyes, will fit our system and then pull the trigger.
All in all, we're in a pretty solid spot.
I agree. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that, if JM's skill set is better suited for our offensive system than any of the other QB's available, why wouldn't he be a good pick?
Keep in mind, I'm not a fanboy. I'm still leaning towards Bortles over Manziel. I think this is a good year to be picking QB, simply because each QB possesses a completely different skill set and physical attributes. It's not like there's three statuesque pocket passers or three read option QB's available. We can decide which, in our FO's eyes, will fit our system and then pull the trigger.
All in all, we're in a pretty solid spot.
hey TC i agree. i'm not downing the guy i'm downing the love fest.
in this forum we get to state our opinions. and for a while now i've been stating mine. yes some might agree, some might meet me halfway and others can just call me an asshole. who gives a shit? not me.
if we were to pick a QB with our first pick IMO it should be bortles. yes his skillset is equal if not surpassing some rated above him BUT my reasoning for him other than the others is his physique. he's big and strong enough to take what might be coming to him (being a rookie and all) and getting the shit knocked out of you compared to midget manziel and thin branches bridgewater.
imagine suggs pile driving bridgewater? or manziel on his roll out to the right and hightower flings him into the 3rd row?
trade down, get a number one for next year, get the BPA, then trade our 3rd rounders and move up for a WR or CB. evans or dennard.
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@mike-h said:
Crickets.
Also count how many times he gets a pre-snap adjustment from the sidelines, since Albright knocked him for that. I didn't see once.
Still don't like how he "Fades away" unnecessarily like Michael Jordan on some of his passes.
Nobody wants to play
Nobody wants to play
In a game where Duke could rarely get pressure, Manziel didn't do his usual routine.
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I am not even that big of a hater of JM. I think he could just as easily learn to play within the confines of whatever system he ends up in. I just don't dig any circle jerk about a college prospect. There have been too many busts.
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Todays game is all about the mobile, make plays with your feet QB. JM is the next QB up that fits that bill. So run with it if he's there. Move up to get him if we have to. It really only cost us our 4th pick and 26 which was a windfall pick anyway.
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Nobody wants to play
In a game where Duke could rarely get pressure, Manziel didn't do his usual routine.
In a game where Duke could rarely get pressure, Manziel didn't do his usual routine.
Pick any game you want from 2013
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Does JM ever go under center or is it all out of the shotgun?
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I'd love to know why a new scheme has to be invented for Manziel. Please elaborate. Why is he incapable of running a WCO? Why is he incapable of running an Air Coryell influenced vertical attack. Why is he incapable of running an Erhardt-Perkins spread?
I'd love to know why a new scheme has to be invented for Manziel. Please elaborate. Why is he incapable of running a WCO? Why is he incapable of running an Air Coryell influenced vertical attack. Why is he incapable of running an Erhardt-Perkins spread?
I'd love to know why he takes off running at every opportunity.
@mike-h said:
The only problem I have with that dude, is you can't take a guy just because he looks the part. Bortles has risen quickly because of that, but there are definitely a couple concerns.
I'm drunk, and this guy is far smarter than I am.. would highly recommend reading if you have 15-20 minutes:
Yes Mike I took the time, and Bortels does have accuracy issues. If they're related to footwork, they're correctable. As Mik said he does have the frame to take a pounding in the NFL. At times looked like a poor man's Andrew Luck.
No one is debating Manziel isn't a terrific athlete- can he be a great NFL qb is the question. Lots of happy feet in that video. If Bortles footwork is sloppy at times, Manziel's is about nonexistent. If that's a highlight reel, a couple of bad decisions stood out- throwing 50\50 balls that by all rights should have been intercepted, but his receivers made terrific plays on the ball.
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I'd love to know why a new scheme has to be invented for Manziel. Please elaborate. Why is he incapable of running a WCO? Why is he incapable of running an Air Coryell influenced vertical attack. Why is he incapable of running an Erhardt-Perkins spread?
I'd love to know why he takes off running at every opportunity.
@mike-h said:
The only problem I have with that dude, is you can't take a guy just because he looks the part. Bortles has risen quickly because of that, but there are definitely a couple concerns.
I'm drunk, and this guy is far smarter than I am.. would highly recommend reading if you have 15-20 minutes:
Yes Mike I took the time, and Bortels does have accuracy issues. If they're related to footwork, they're correctable. As Mik said he does have the frame to take a pounding in the NFL. At times looked like a poor man's Andrew Luck.
No one is debating Manziel isn't a terrific athlete- can he be a great NFL qb is the question. Lots of happy feet in that video. If Bortles footwork is sloppy at times, Manziel's is about nonexistent. If that's a highlight reel, a couple of bad decisions stood out- throwing 50\50 balls that by all rights should have been intercepted, but his receivers made terrific plays on the ball.
I'd love to know why he takes off running at every opportunity.
Yes Mike I took the time, and Bortels does have accuracy issues. If they're related to footwork, they're correctable. As Mik said he does have the frame to take a pounding in the NFL. At times looked like a poor man's Andrew Luck.
No one is debating Manziel isn't a terrific athlete- can he be a great NFL qb is the question. Lots of happy feet in that video. If Bortles footwork is sloppy at times, Manziel's is about nonexistent. If that's a highlight reel, a couple of bad decisions stood out- throwing 50\50 balls that by all rights should have been intercepted, but his receivers made terrific plays on the ball.
So you can't logically answer the question.
That says all it needs to.
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@walterwhite said:
The people who hate Johnny Manziel will be the first assholes to buy his jersey when he turns into a mega star.
1. I would much rather be wrong and watch than Browns win than be right and watch the Browns lose.
2. Farmer and his staff are professionals with far more talent scouting recruits than myself.
3. If Manziel is the guy they chose to be the next QB of the Cleveland Browns, he'll have my full support until he proves, through his play, that he doesn't deserve it.
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I'd love to know why he takes off running at every opportunity.
Yes Mike I took the time, and Bortels does have accuracy issues. If they're related to footwork, they're correctable. As Mik said he does have the frame to take a pounding in the NFL. At times looked like a poor man's Andrew Luck.
No one is debating Manziel isn't a terrific athlete- can he be a great NFL qb is the question. Lots of happy feet in that video. If Bortles footwork is sloppy at times, Manziel's is about nonexistent. If that's a highlight reel, a couple of bad decisions stood out- throwing 50\50 balls that by all rights should have been intercepted, but his receivers made terrific plays on the ball.
So you can't logically answer the question.
That says all it needs to.
So you can't logically answer the question.
That says all it needs to.
I wasn't answering it- but the scouting report ahem- said doesn't have the arm to fit into a bombs away offense. & you're not watching if you don't see Mr. Happy feet dancing back there on virtually every play.
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So you can't logically answer the question.
That says all it needs to.
I wasn't answering it- but the scouting report ahem- said doesn't have the arm to fit into a bombs away offense. & you're not watching if you don't see Mr. Happy feet dancing back there on virtually every play.
I wasn't answering it- but the scouting report ahem- said doesn't have the arm to fit into a bombs away offense. & you're not watching if you don't see Mr. Happy feet dancing back there on virtually every play.
Just for shits and giggles everybody watch Manziels last College football game and count how many times he gets "happy feet" against a phantom pass rush and mark down the time it happens in the video then mark down every time he stands in the pocket and makes his reads. I'm interested in what your seeing.
Still waiting for somebody to do something other than talk
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@mike-h said:
If that is happy feet in the video, then Peyton manning has happy feet. You don't even know the terms you're arguing Larry. That's half the fucking problem, I can't take it anymore.
I've given up.
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I wasn't answering it- but the scouting report ahem- said doesn't have the arm to fit into a bombs away offense. & you're not watching if you don't see Mr. Happy feet dancing back there on virtually every play.
Just for shits and giggles everybody watch Manziels last College football game and count how many times he gets "happy feet" against a phantom pass rush and mark down the time it happens in the video then mark down every time he stands in the pocket and makes his reads. I'm interested in what your seeing.
Still waiting for somebody to do something other than talk
Still waiting for somebody to do something other than talk
Isn't that essentially what you are doing is just talking? Are they supposed to show up at your house and do a presentation on how Manziel lobs passes up and hopes for the best?
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@mike-h said:
If that is happy feet in the video, then Peyton manning has happy feet. You don't even know the terms you're arguing Larry. That's half the fucking problem, I can't take it anymore.
I've given up.
I've given up.
Ditto- You're having more fun bashing me than explaining why Manziel is such a great pick for the Browns @ #4.
It's combine week let's see what Mighty Manziel really weighs in at. Of course he's not going to throw- will he dare to step on a scale?
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Still waiting for somebody to do something other than talk
Isn't that essentially what you are doing is just talking? Are they supposed to show up at your house and do a presentation on how Manziel lobs passes up and hopes for the best?
Isn't that essentially what you are doing is just talking? Are they supposed to show up at your house and do a presentation on how Manziel lobs passes up and hopes for the best?
no I posted a video for you to watch as proof that he doesn't have happy feet and can go through his progressions. Its fact for you to see if you just watch, I'm not making it up. All I want you to do is show me proof where he consistently takes off when his first receiver isn't open or there is a phantom pass rush.
yes he threw a pass up for grabs, it was a bad decision that he got away with. but you guys act like he made a career doing it which isn't true.
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An example of Manziel getting pressured and having to play in bad weather (Cleveland has that in spades).
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I've given up.
Ditto- You're having more fun bashing me than explaining why Manziel is such a great pick for the Browns @ #4.
It's combine week let's see what Mighty Manziel really weighs in at. Of course he's not going to throw- will he dare to step on a scale?
I'm not bashing you. You know I respect you and value your opinions.Ditto- You're having more fun bashing me than explaining why Manziel is such a great pick for the Browns @ #4.
It's combine week let's see what Mighty Manziel really weighs in at. Of course he's not going to throw- will he dare to step on a scale?
I just think you're being awfully close minded on Manziel because you don't like him as a person and are therefore clinging to things that are either inconsequential or fabricated.
His "happy feet" are the same happy feet that Manning is praised for, as Mike referenced previously. Manning, however, moves in a vertical line in the pocket, whereas Manziel moves laterally. Obviously, they're incomparable in their styles of play, but "happy feet" is not a knock. It is a welcome asset in a quarterback.
"The Good: Poised under pressure, looks off the safety and takes what the defense gives him. Possesses a terrific pump fake, drives his long passes down the field and smartly places his deep throws in front of the target, letting receivers run to the ball. Gets outside the pocket, makes plays on the move and loses nothing on his throws displaying zip on the short passes or driving the deep tosses while on the run. In complete control of the offense in every sense of the word and a true leader that makes good decisions and does not put his team in a bad spot.
The Bad: Needs to improve his footwork, release and does not throw the tightest spirals.
The Skinny: A young signal caller with a tremendous amount of upside potential as he matures both physically and mentally. Great prospect for the future."
Would you say that's an apt scouting report for JF?
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