Browns trying to lock up Joe Haden, talked yesterday - so it begins
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me too!!
we should be partners on the 'amazing race' or something just as gay!!
(for real that first round i might actually think of selling my soul for, if not my ass for a weekend...)
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I feel like there is a backlash against Haden ... from Browns fans nonetheless.
He is second team All Pro, and deservedly so.You don't just get votes for being a Brown.
He is absolutely the best cornerback this franchise has has since Minnifield peaked over 25 years ago.
If you are not happy with Joe Thomas, Josh Gordon or Joe Haden ... just go fuck yourself ... they are absolute stars on 32 teams.
Zombo
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@mike-h said:
No one said anything about not being happy with them Z.
Just that Haden isn't in the Top 5.
That's YOUR opinion.
Five guys got voted to the All Pro team, by people more qualified by you, he was one of them.
You even admitted to me you just look at pro football focus numbers and don't take into consideration who he covers every week, who the corner is opposite of him, and what his pass rush is like.
You don't think he is top 5. OK. well, you're wrong. But let's say he is top 10 ... out of 64 starters ... so, we're all set at one corner ... check ... pay him ... best since Minnifield ,,, check ... pay him.
Maybe Associated Press writers, and those of us that watch him each week, have him over-rated because according to PFF he got beat x number of times despite being the only decent cover guy on his entire team and playing against some of the best QB-WR combinations in the league every other week while being on a team where no one got to the QB more times than six times all year.
He's still, even you admit, Top Ten, sooo ... let's fucking count our blessings and fucking pay him.
Heckert hit it out of the park ... next.
Zombo
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Is the Brownsboard on fire?
Mike H. is blowing smoke again....
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@mike-h said:
I loved the pick and think he's a good corner, I just think he's slightly overrated and I'm not the only one.
Revis had a rookie opposite of him, Haden had Skrine--who some people (For some crazy reason) think had a big season last year.
I watched every single game, more than once, and noted so many times teams would target him, even in 3rd down situations. I'm going to keep all of that info next year, it'll make it easier so I won't have to rely on PFF. I use PFF For league comparisons because I don't watch every team, every week.
Haden was targeted more than any other top-tier QB, and the success rate was higher than it should be. A lot of the completions came when he was playing man coverage, what the elite CBs are asked to do. He did well at times, and struggled at others, and the results were mixed.
The Pro Bowl is never even close to 100 percent accurate on any given year and has as much to do with hype as it does play on the field.
People from the outside looking in, who don't even watch all of the Browns games, and just see a highlight INT of Haden, voted him into the Pro Bowl. I've talked to and heard plenty of writers who had no idea what I was talking about until I broke it down about Haden and then they started to see it.
I'm not wrong, it's not even an argument. And I'm glad he's a Browns player, like you said. Just don't crown the dude before he earns it because he's better than the awful DB next to him. Pay him Revis money though? K. Hopefully there's a long-term budget plan.
I never even mentioned the Pro Bowl. I'm talking All-Pro ... which means selected by Associated Press beat writers from across the country.
I'm interested to know what "hype" a cornerback on a 4-12 perennial loser created to brainwash the nation's sportswriters that he was a Top five corner?
I don't even know why it is so important to you that he not be considered Top five, Tope ten, whatever, when it comes down to "is he an elite #1 corner"? "Yes". Then you lock him up, like we locked up Joe Thomas, and like we need to lock up Josh Gordon.
I mean, some Retard started a thread that a college cornerback would be the #1 corner on our team. There is absolutely no grasp of the NFL and what it takes to be elite in that mindset.
I guess all I can say is that I hope the Browns lock him him up for another five years so we can debate how our #1 corner is only the sixth best cornerback in the world, and not the fourth.
Zombo
--We've got the best cornerback in the division ... should we get all worked up because a couple guys in the NFC are better?
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More action in progress :
Aaron Goldhammer @HammerNation19 43m Per Grossi, Browns are making another effort at resigning Mack. Now thinks the Browns may make effort to sign him...
Right now, Mack is out of the Country, so it's just Agents talking right now, but it would be a pretty good guess that other Players are being contacted for contracts as well.
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If Haden isn't a top 5 corner, he's close. Like top 8.
Just not at the dominant level yet. Still earned his Pro Bowl bid, even with a late season swoon.
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Forget the debate on if Haden is a top 3 corner or top 20 corner.
All you have to do is answer this question. Do you want him on the team or not?
If you do, don't worry about what we pay him. It's not your money. If you don't, you're a dumb ass.
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Forget the debate on if Haden is a top 3 corner or top 20 corner.
All you have to do is answer this question. Do you want him on the team or not?
If you do, don't worry about what we pay him. It's not your money. If you don't, you're a dumb ass.
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I am 100% with Zombo. He is great. Give him his money. He is NOT a guy I'd want to have to try and replace, if it's my football team. I'll debate whether or not he's a top 5 corner for the rest of his career... gladly. But, I have a question for the naysayers...
If Haden is NOT in the top 5 at CB, who is? That's an argument I'd like to see made...
If you actually watch games, instead of look at statistics, then you'll notice our pass rush was weak, our safeties were poor in coverage as were our linebackers. Haden was forced on an island against receivers, and when he had a chance he did great, other than 2 mistakes that costed TDs. In many games, teams realized they could slip their #1 WR inside using slant routes and crossing routes and the linebackers and safeties covering the middle of the field disappeared, then you get a 10+ yard gain... supposedly against Haden, when he had no chance in the play...
Haden overrated.... crazy talk...
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And just what have you written that displays your astute foresight?@mike-h said:
You're right 23, I don't watch football. I concede, the homer is strong here. Haden is the best CB in the NFL, pay him Flacco money.
You know the difference between all pro and probowl right?
What makes your opinion more valid than the next? That you write for a fan rag that willing publishes fan writing? Your entitled to your opinion, for sure. Doesn't make it any more valid than the next. So stop being condescending, as youre privy to no more information than the next fan.
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I'm at a loss. TJ Ward now Joe Haden under consideration, who does this team think they are, the Broncos?
Haden needs to stay. Wtf is the debate about?
Comparable to Miinnefield...not so sure, but absolutely on his way. Not a guy we need toy with. Get a freakin grip you 2014 genuis'.
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seriously?? c'mon Kosarfan! go ahead and rewatch those old reels of Bernie climbing the pocket for 10 yards with his 1.5 second wind-up as he hits a wide open Slaughter who proceeds to stop on the field undeterred and body catch the aforementioned hail mary and "skip-walks" into the end zone...not just untouched, but without another defender even entering the camera view aka tv screen. it was an ENTIRELY different game back then and even with my "1980's colored glasses" on I gotta speak up.
i proudly admit that Minni is one of my all time favorite Brownies...but thinking he could cover AJ Green or Megatron as well or better than Joe Haden does is flawed thinking. Frank (and Hanford for that matter) was at the top of the game...but the guys he was covering couldn't carry Josh Gordon's jockstrop.
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fwiw i agree with Mike H. Joe had a down year which those of us honest with ourselves saw with our own eyes. we also saw the opposing QB's had no qualms about going his direction and did at will...which speaks volumes and reads: they found tendencies they could exploit...which elite nfl cb's fix about their game. so we'll see what Joe does next.
stats are what you make of them, but of the stats posted it sure looked to me like NONE had Joe in the top 15...let alone top ten. but, those are stats in a vacuum. non situational and black and white...but still based in reality and hold some merit.
my OPINION is the associated press vote all pros based on some amount of hype and charisma/likeability same as pro bowl voters do.
the biggest hole in Joe's game is his inconsistency. i'd venture to say he doesn't study every single matchup with the same vigor. he's the epitome of a true Brown --> he beats those he shouldn't and loses to those he should beat.
but when Joe plays at his best, he's absolutely physically comparable to the best in the league. by that i definitely mean top 3. that's his potential. his ceiling is miles higher than most of the league (all but a few--again, my hypothesy and opinion and remains to be seen on a consistent full season basis)
bottom line...i want Joe on the team. period. pay da man!
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We have to keep: Mack, Haden, Gordon, Thomas, Cameron, Sheard, Taylor, Rubin Mingo and Greg "I caught it!" Little(just for you, Gipper
) at all costs.No lie though, I do love me some Greg Little. But, c'mon man- catch the ball!
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