Incognito Reaction: I Don't Get It
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Martin is a big pussy. He should have taken his lumps and learned from the tougher players.
Martin is a big pussy. He should have taken his lumps and learned from the tougher players.
Exactly.
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martin IS the little bitch in this situation and i smell a lawsuit coming from here to miami.
he doesn't like to work hard, can't play for shit and when the coaches ask his OL 'brotherhood' to try and toughen up he contemplates suicide?
NFL, get out your checkbook. martin will never play again but he'll cash out just fine.
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no on Incognito...despite the fact Martin was/is soft..I wouldnt touch Incognito on this team with Ballpeens dick...he's a cancer and in the twilight of his career anyway...no thanks..what this team has absorbed lately. We dont need anymore distractions.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Martin is a big pussy.
I'd take Incognito on our team.
1) I agree.Martin's correct response if Ritchie was "harrassing" him should have been- "Stop that shit, because the next time you try it, I'll kick you in the nuts."
2) Nope, those in the know describe Incognito as a "Meathead", Also, voted as "the dirtiest player in the NFL" doesn't win any points with me. Alpha males in the lockerroom? OK, sorry, No Flaming assholes- likes to sexually harrass women on golf courses too, by all accounts
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no on Incognito...despite the fact Martin was/is soft..I wouldnt touch Incognito on this team with Ballpeens dick...he's a cancer and in the twilight of his career anyway...no thanks..what this team has absorbed lately. We dont need anymore distractions.
no on Incognito...despite the fact Martin was/is soft..I wouldnt touch Incognito on this team with Ballpeens dick...he's a cancer and in the twilight of his career anyway...no thanks..what this team has absorbed lately. We dont need anymore distractions.
i wouldn't take either one.
one doesn't want to play cuz it hurts getting hit and the other is just a loudmouth douchebag.
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+1 Nickers and Tox and Hoorta.
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Hoorta pointed out that Richie Incognito was voted one of the dirtiest players in the league. I'm not saying that the guy is not a douchebag, but I think there's a disproportionately negative response to him. Hines Ward was voted THE dirtiest player in the league for a number of years, and a lot of people (maybe not you or too many Browns fans, but a fair portion of the general population and the sports media) act like he is great. Why isn't Hines Ward a cancer? Why weren't the general population and the media calling for his head. It's because the Richie Incognito thing had nothing to do with dirty play on the field. He called a guy some names off the field and everyone got all buttsore about it.
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You know the bottom line in this whole situation is two wrongs don't make a right. Incognito is a piece of trash human being by all accounts, but by the grace of God happened to be great at football. Don't show me the guy dressed in his Sunday best in a staged interview and pretend none of it happened. The reason I don't feel bad for him in the slightest is because people like Richie make this world a shitty place to live in. There's a way to bullcrap with your friends and not be a crazy douche. I played football my whole childhood as I'm sure some of you did. I had good-natured shit talking all the time, but there was always a clear line you didn't cross.It really irks me when people defend Incognito-even if it's the 'culture' the way he acts as a human being is unacceptable. I don't care if you're in the NFL or work at the teddy bear factory.
With that being said, I think Martin looking back on the whole thing could have handled it differently. Again, I don't feel bad at all for Incognito being exposed for the jerk he is. However, I think this sets a bad precedent for how to handle things in the work-place. It's obvious that higher ups in the organization were not aware of the alleged bullying. Martin should have gone to these people first, not the press. I think it sets a bad precedent for the entire NFL that locker rooms are places where people get treated like crap. I'm sure most locker rooms are just like what I described earlier with good natured back and forths and the occasional thing that went too far. Again, two wrongs don't make a right.
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Formerly Sane said:
Thank you liberalism! Will we reach a day when the NFL doesn't keep score and everyone get s a trophy?
So? You think that the NFL cannot survive unless its players I paid bounties to put hits on other players. Or that they cannot survive unless the juvenile locker room hazing is allowed to continue.
How about this idea: Why don't these guys that are paid millions to play this sport act like professionals. Tackle a guy because it is your job to tackle him. Treat another adult like another adult.
I may put a slam on you here (primarily out of jest) because you are a Steeler fan. But if I actually had professional dealings with you I would treat you professionally and I would expect the same of you.
I mean, if we were involved in some legal transaction I would not tell you during the course of such that your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of eldeberries.....even if she was and he did.
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Formerly Sane said:
Thank you liberalism! Will we reach a day when the NFL doesn't keep score and everyone get s a trophy?
So? You think that the NFL cannot survive unless its players I paid bounties to put hits on other players. Or that they cannot survive unless the juvenile locker room hazing is allowed to continue.
How about this idea: Why don't these guys that are paid millions to play this sport act like professionals. Tackle a guy because it is your job to tackle him. Treat another adult like another adult.
I may put a slam on you here (primarily out of jest) because you are a Steeler fan. But if I actually had professional dealings with you I would treat you professionally and I would expect the same of you.
I mean, if we were involved in some legal transaction I would not tell you during the course of such that your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of eldeberries.....even if she was and he did.
So? You think that the NFL cannot survive unless its players I paid bounties to put hits on other players. Or that they cannot survive unless the juvenile locker room hazing is allowed to continue.
How about this idea: Why don't these guys that are paid millions to play this sport act like professionals. Tackle a guy because it is your job to tackle him. Treat another adult like another adult.
I may put a slam on you here (primarily out of jest) because you are a Steeler fan. But if I actually had professional dealings with you I would treat you professionally and I would expect the same of you.
I mean, if we were involved in some legal transaction I would not tell you during the course of such that your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of eldeberries.....even if she was and he did.
Way to shoe-horn a movie quote in there...
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The NFL is lucky martin didn't come in and shoot up the locker room . Richie Incognito is a classless dick but Martin clearly has mental problems. I'd avoid both. ad press is unneccesary for the browns
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Ugh. This is another case of people saying one thing, and the other side arguing against something else entirely.
Statement: "This was a huge overreaction by Martin, his camp, the media, the public, and the NFL. It was completely unnecessary, and instead of embracing that unnecessary reaction, someone should have acknowledged the ridiculousness of its intensity."
Reaction: "Richie Incognito IS a jerk, and this behavior is NOT preferable."
Lol, what? There are very few people out there who think, "What Richie Incognito did was fine, he's a model saint, and we should encourage not only him but other people to act like he has." So why are people arguing against that? Let's try this one more time:
Richie Incognito is a jerk. It is not ideal to have some of your players making some of your other players so uncomfortable that it has a negative effect on the team chemistry.
There, we've got that part handled. It's out there. So now you don't need to feel compelled to respond with "But Richie Incognito is a jerk!" We good? Okay, now...
What Incognito and a number of the other Dolphins did was not the worst thing in the world. It is, in my opinion, less wrong than beating your fiancée, sexually assaulting someone, dealing/doing drugs, etc. Yet, this Incognito thing has been met with more public and media outrage than any of those things have. (I agree that it is due to desensitization, but that doesn't justify it.) My suggestion, then, is that we apply a little perspective to this whole thing, and scale the outrage either down to what actually happened or the outrage about more serious behavior problems up to a proportionate level.
If you're saying to yourself "two wrongs don't make a right", you're clearly still not paying attention and may have a learning disability. No one (or a ridiculously small number of irrational people) is saying that what Incognito did or how he acts is right. What we're saying is, "exercise a sense of scale/perspective". There are varying levels of "wrong", and we've kind of agreed to that as a society. You cannot deny that the backlash against Incognito has been MUCH worse than the negative responses to recent drug or assault charges against NFL players (if you can, you weren't paying attention). Aren't those things worse than saying something mean to someone? Generally, our society has agreed that they are. So, following this line of thinking to its logical end, the amount and intensity of the negative response to what Incognito did has been grossly disproportionate to what he actually did, especially in comparison to more serious NFL player behaviors.
So before we start screaming about what an awful human being Richie Incognito is (even if he is) and how he shouldn't be welcomed on a team, in the league, etc., perhaps we should apply the same judgment to all of the players out there who have been accused of, charged with, found guilty of, or suspended for more serious behaviors. Once you have eliminated all the rapists, abusers, attackers, and drug-users from their teams and the league, let me know, and I'll be right behind you in lining up for the "anti-name calling squad".
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Ugh. This is another case of people saying one thing, and the other side arguing against something else entirely.
Statement: "This was a huge overreaction by Martin, his camp, the media, the public, and the NFL. It was completely unnecessary, and instead of embracing that unnecessary reaction, someone should have acknowledged the ridiculousness of its intensity."
Reaction: "Richie Incognito IS a jerk, and this behavior is NOT preferable."
Lol, what? There are very few people out there who think, "What Richie Incognito did was fine, he's a model saint, and we should encourage not only him but other people to act like he has." So why are people arguing against that? Let's try this one more time:
Richie Incognito is a jerk. It is not ideal to have some of your players making some of your other players so uncomfortable that it has a negative effect on the team chemistry.
There, we've got that part handled. It's out there. So now you don't need to feel compelled to respond with "But Richie Incognito is a jerk!" We good? Okay, now...
What Incognito and a number of the other Dolphins did was not the worst thing in the world. It is, in my opinion, less wrong than beating your fiancée, sexually assaulting someone, dealing/doing drugs, etc. Yet, this Incognito thing has been met with more public and media outrage than any of those things have. (I agree that it is due to desensitization, but that doesn't justify it.) My suggestion, then, is that we apply a little perspective to this whole thing, and scale the outrage either down to what actually happened or the outrage about more serious behavior problems up to a proportionate level.
If you're saying to yourself "two wrongs don't make a right", you're clearly still not paying attention and may have a learning disability. No one (or a ridiculously small number of irrational people) is saying that what Incognito did or how he acts is right. What we're saying is, "exercise a sense of scale/perspective". There are varying levels of "wrong", and we've kind of agreed to that as a society. You cannot deny that the backlash against Incognito has been MUCH worse than the negative responses to recent drug or assault charges against NFL players (if you can, you weren't paying attention). Aren't those things worse than saying something mean to someone? Generally, our society has agreed that they are. So, following this line of thinking to its logical end, the amount and intensity of the negative response to what Incognito did has been grossly disproportionate to what he actually did, especially in comparison to more serious NFL player behaviors.
So before we start screaming about what an awful human being Richie Incognito is (even if he is) and how he shouldn't be welcomed on a team, in the league, etc., perhaps we should apply the same judgment to all of the players out there who have been accused of, charged with, found guilty of, or suspended for more serious behaviors. Once you have eliminated all the rapists, abusers, attackers, and drug-users from their teams and the league, let me know, and I'll be right behind you in lining up for the "anti-name calling squad".
Ugh. This is another case of people saying one thing, and the other side arguing against something else entirely.
Statement: "This was a huge overreaction by Martin, his camp, the media, the public, and the NFL. It was completely unnecessary, and instead of embracing that unnecessary reaction, someone should have acknowledged the ridiculousness of its intensity."
Reaction: "Richie Incognito IS a jerk, and this behavior is NOT preferable."
Lol, what? There are very few people out there who think, "What Richie Incognito did was fine, he's a model saint, and we should encourage not only him but other people to act like he has." So why are people arguing against that? Let's try this one more time:
Richie Incognito is a jerk. It is not ideal to have some of your players making some of your other players so uncomfortable that it has a negative effect on the team chemistry.
There, we've got that part handled. It's out there. So now you don't need to feel compelled to respond with "But Richie Incognito is a jerk!" We good? Okay, now...
What Incognito and a number of the other Dolphins did was not the worst thing in the world. It is, in my opinion, less wrong than beating your fiancée, sexually assaulting someone, dealing/doing drugs, etc. Yet, this Incognito thing has been met with more public and media outrage than any of those things have. (I agree that it is due to desensitization, but that doesn't justify it.) My suggestion, then, is that we apply a little perspective to this whole thing, and scale the outrage either down to what actually happened or the outrage about more serious behavior problems up to a proportionate level.
If you're saying to yourself "two wrongs don't make a right", you're clearly still not paying attention and may have a learning disability. No one (or a ridiculously small number of irrational people) is saying that what Incognito did or how he acts is right. What we're saying is, "exercise a sense of scale/perspective". There are varying levels of "wrong", and we've kind of agreed to that as a society. You cannot deny that the backlash against Incognito has been MUCH worse than the negative responses to recent drug or assault charges against NFL players (if you can, you weren't paying attention). Aren't those things worse than saying something mean to someone? Generally, our society has agreed that they are. So, following this line of thinking to its logical end, the amount and intensity of the negative response to what Incognito did has been grossly disproportionate to what he actually did, especially in comparison to more serious NFL player behaviors.
So before we start screaming about what an awful human being Richie Incognito is (even if he is) and how he shouldn't be welcomed on a team, in the league, etc., perhaps we should apply the same judgment to all of the players out there who have been accused of, charged with, found guilty of, or suspended for more serious behaviors. Once you have eliminated all the rapists, abusers, attackers, and drug-users from their teams and the league, let me know, and I'll be right behind you in lining up for the "anti-name calling squad".
i think everyone here on the board understands what type of environment an NFL (HS or college) locker room can be like.
i persay don't blame incognito for doing what he was told to do, but as a human being you can always tell when you are imposing your will upon someone else to their disregard. a bully is a bully is a bully.
a lot of people get shot for that shit nowadays. i sure as hell wouldn't teach me kids to act in that way. you might get columbined.
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Lol, wow. STILL didn't get through. I agree that Incognito was probably "a bully."
Here, maybe an analogy will help:
You're a teacher in an elementary school classroom. In the back of the classroom, Timmy is stabbing Jane to death with a knife, and Bobby is snorting coke off the top of his desk. In the front of the room, Johnny just took Sally's pencil. You look at the back of the classroom and you say, "Timmy, Bobby, come on,... knock that off." Then you look at Johnny and say, "Johnny! What have you done! Oh my God! Go to the principal's office! I never want you in my classroom again!"
And when I say, "Hey, why did you come down so hard on Johnny when you've got Timmy and Bobby committing murder and doing blow in the back of the room?" your response to me is, "Well, there's been a lot of violence and drugs in the back of the room for awhile now. This pencil-stealing thing, though, that's new. That's gotta be addressed. It's not okay to steal other people's pencils, you know."
Do you see how ridiculous that is? Now sure, I've exaggerated it some, but the general idea is the same: The "newness" of a behavior (or the recognition of a behavior) doesn't really (or shouldn't)increase or decrease the seriousness of it. I'm pointing at the back of the room and yelling, "There's kids attacking each other and doing drugs back there!" and you're looking me dead in the face with a blank look (or an insanely angry look) and saying, "People should not take other people's pencils!"
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Ugh. This is another case of people saying one thing, and the other side arguing against something else entirely.
Statement: "This was a huge overreaction by Martin, his camp, the media, the public, and the NFL. It was completely unnecessary, and instead of embracing that unnecessary reaction, someone should have acknowledged the ridiculousness of its intensity."
Reaction: "Richie Incognito IS a jerk, and this behavior is NOT preferable."
Lol, what? There are very few people out there who think, "What Richie Incognito did was fine, he's a model saint, and we should encourage not only him but other people to act like he has." So why are people arguing against that? Let's try this one more time:
Richie Incognito is a jerk. It is not ideal to have some of your players making some of your other players so uncomfortable that it has a negative effect on the team chemistry.
There, we've got that part handled. It's out there. So now you don't need to feel compelled to respond with "But Richie Incognito is a jerk!" We good? Okay, now...
What Incognito and a number of the other Dolphins did was not the worst thing in the world. It is, in my opinion, less wrong than beating your fiancée, sexually assaulting someone, dealing/doing drugs, etc. Yet, this Incognito thing has been met with more public and media outrage than any of those things have. (I agree that it is due to desensitization, but that doesn't justify it.) My suggestion, then, is that we apply a little perspective to this whole thing, and scale the outrage either down to what actually happened or the outrage about more serious behavior problems up to a proportionate level.
If you're saying to yourself "two wrongs don't make a right", you're clearly still not paying attention and may have a learning disability. No one (or a ridiculously small number of irrational people) is saying that what Incognito did or how he acts is right. What we're saying is, "exercise a sense of scale/perspective". There are varying levels of "wrong", and we've kind of agreed to that as a society. You cannot deny that the backlash against Incognito has been MUCH worse than the negative responses to recent drug or assault charges against NFL players (if you can, you weren't paying attention). Aren't those things worse than saying something mean to someone? Generally, our society has agreed that they are. So, following this line of thinking to its logical end, the amount and intensity of the negative response to what Incognito did has been grossly disproportionate to what he actually did, especially in comparison to more serious NFL player behaviors.
So before we start screaming about what an awful human being Richie Incognito is (even if he is) and how he shouldn't be welcomed on a team, in the league, etc., perhaps we should apply the same judgment to all of the players out there who have been accused of, charged with, found guilty of, or suspended for more serious behaviors. Once you have eliminated all the rapists, abusers, attackers, and drug-users from their teams and the league, let me know, and I'll be right behind you in lining up for the "anti-name calling squad".
If you're saying to yourself "two wrongs don't make a right", you're clearly still not paying attention and may have a learning disability. No one (or a ridiculously small number of irrational people) is saying that what Incognito did or how he acts is right. What we're saying is, "exercise a sense of scale/perspective". There are varying levels of "wrong", and we've kind of agreed to that as a society. You cannot deny that the backlash against Incognito has been MUCH worse than the negative responses to recent drug or assault charges against NFL players (if you can, you weren't paying attention). Aren't those things worse than saying something mean to someone? Generally, our society has agreed that they are. So, following this line of thinking to its logical end, the amount and intensity of the negative response to what Incognito did has been grossly disproportionate to what he actually did, especially in comparison to more serious NFL player behaviors.
So before we start screaming about what an awful human being Richie Incognito is (even if he is) and how he shouldn't be welcomed on a team, in the league, etc., perhaps we should apply the same judgment to all of the players out there who have been accused of, charged with, found guilty of, or suspended for more serious behaviors. Once you have eliminated all the rapists, abusers, attackers, and drug-users from their teams and the league, let me know, and I'll be right behind you in lining up for the "anti-name calling squad".
Since that was a classless cheap shot at what I said I feel compelled to respond. I can state my opinion even though it's the popular one. Furthermore, all you're doing is providing subjective fodder to this whole argument and trying puff out your chest and say you're right. To you, this whole situation may be less serious than drugs or assault but that's a completely subjective, ignorant point of view. Thousands of people from adults to children commit suicide or self harm because of rampant bullying. This was not a case of 'name-calling'. This by all accounts fully functioning member of society was harassedand bullied so much he ruined his reputation in many ways to end it. The reason this was brought to the limelight was because it was new to the NFL, not because people hold it in the same regard as murder or serious crimes. When Big Ben allegedly raped those girls it got just as much media attention as this did if not more. To look at things as more wrong than others is again an ignorant way of viewing societies' problems.
I'm going to take a shot in the dark that you weren't bullied in school. If you were and feel this way, I feel sorry because that means the vicious cycle continued. Edit: Also, your 'analogy' is completely irrelevant and doesn't apply in any way to this situation.
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Pass on them both. We don't need either locker room cancer.
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I don't see the conflict in the statements Mr Cow.
Sure I think martin is a big puss and overreacted and the press eats this shit up. On the other hand sure Richie incognito is probably one of the 3 or 4 biggest assholes in the league and since he's not and all pro then I wouldn't want him on the Cleveland Browns. If he were a future Hall of Famer, well at least I think about it. Where's the rub? Send him to Al Davis.
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If you're saying to yourself "two wrongs don't make a right", you're clearly still not paying attention and may have a learning disability. No one (or a ridiculously small number of irrational people) is saying that what Incognito did or how he acts is right. What we're saying is, "exercise a sense of scale/perspective". There are varying levels of "wrong", and we've kind of agreed to that as a society. You cannot deny that the backlash against Incognito has been MUCH worse than the negative responses to recent drug or assault charges against NFL players (if you can, you weren't paying attention). Aren't those things worse than saying something mean to someone? Generally, our society has agreed that they are. So, following this line of thinking to its logical end, the amount and intensity of the negative response to what Incognito did has been grossly disproportionate to what he actually did, especially in comparison to more serious NFL player behaviors.
So before we start screaming about what an awful human being Richie Incognito is (even if he is) and how he shouldn't be welcomed on a team, in the league, etc., perhaps we should apply the same judgment to all of the players out there who have been accused of, charged with, found guilty of, or suspended for more serious behaviors. Once you have eliminated all the rapists, abusers, attackers, and drug-users from their teams and the league, let me know, and I'll be right behind you in lining up for the "anti-name calling squad".
Since that was a classless cheap shot at what I said I feel compelled to respond. I can state my opinion even though it's the popular one. Furthermore, all you're doing is providing subjective fodder to this whole argument and trying puff out your chest and say you're right. To you, this whole situation may be less serious than drugs or assault but that's a completely subjective, ignorant point of view. Thousands of people from adults to children commit suicide or self harm because of rampant bullying. This was not a case of 'name-calling'. This by all accounts fully functioning member of society was harassedand bullied so much he ruined his reputation in many ways to end it. The reason this was brought to the limelight was because it was new to the NFL, not because people hold it in the same regard as murder or serious crimes. When Big Ben allegedly raped those girls it got just as much media attention as this did if not more. To look at things as more wrong than others is again an ignorant way of viewing societies' problems.
I'm going to take a shot in the dark that you weren't bullied in school. If you were and feel this way, I feel sorry because that means the vicious cycle continued. Edit: Also, your 'analogy' is completely irrelevant and doesn't apply in any way to this situation.
Since that was a classless cheap shot at what I said I feel compelled to respond. I can state my opinion even though it's the popular one. Furthermore, all you're doing is providing subjective fodder to this whole argument and trying puff out your chest and say you're right. To you, this whole situation may be less serious than drugs or assault but that's a completely subjective, ignorant point of view. Thousands of people from adults to children commit suicide or self harm because of rampant bullying. This was not a case of 'name-calling'. This by all accounts fully functioning member of society was harassedand bullied so much he ruined his reputation in many ways to end it. The reason this was brought to the limelight was because it was new to the NFL, not because people hold it in the same regard as murder or serious crimes. When Big Ben allegedly raped those girls it got just as much media attention as this did if not more. To look at things as more wrong than others is again an ignorant way of viewing societies' problems.
I'm going to take a shot in the dark that you weren't bullied in school. If you were and feel this way, I feel sorry because that means the vicious cycle continued. Edit: Also, your 'analogy' is completely irrelevant and doesn't apply in any way to this situation.
You sound like the new generation of pussies who was rewarded for just participating in a sport with a letter or trophy.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
If he came at a discount sure why not. I would say its a good guess that there are more RI's playing in the NFL than some of you would assume. He is a good guard and we have openings. I think the media attention has pulled him back some and this will probably tame him down some.
The only thing now has he lost his edge? He may have thrived and played better by being a bully, which mentally made him feel better about himself.
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He's never been that good. He has slow feet that are getting slower. He was a 4th alternate to the pro bowl once.
There's no reason for us to get him. The negative attention doesn't help either.
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